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Title: What happens when it gets cold and there isn't enough energy?
Source: examiner.com
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... d-and-there-isnt-enough-energy
Published: Sep 10, 2009
Author: Kirtland Griffin
Post Date: 2009-09-10 15:11:02 by farmfriend
Ping List: *Agriculture-Environment*     Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*
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Views: 651
Comments: 45

What happens when it gets cold and there isn't enough energy?

September 9, 10:32 PM
New Haven County Environmental Policy Examiner
Kirtland Griffin

Seems that every day you read about how successful the environmentalists have been at stopping a coal fired plant, a hydroelectric dam, or a nuclear reactor in favor of unreliable wind and solar power. This brings up a serious question, one that I would like to hear an answer from the enviros, politicians and others who are either preventing the building of these facilities or profiting from the alternatives. This would, of course, include our Connecticut governor and the entire Connecticut legislature that unanimously passed the climate bill requiring an 80% cut in carbon emissions by 2050. Throw in the entire Department of Environmental Protection while we are at it. They too are complicit.

The scenario is that the Sun, as it proceeds toward the barycenter of the solar system, and slows to half its former velocity, with a fraction of its former intensity, will result in the predictions you have read here of a long deep cold spell. Some say the spell could last 30 years. Others have predicted 100 years and at least one has suggested 300 years is not out of the question and maybe even more. If this scenario plays out in concert with the environmentalists penchant for stopping every new source of power, other than wind, solar and bio-fuels, there is an extreme likelihood we will not have sufficient power to heat our homes and power our factories. There will be shortages of critical commodities. Farming will be out of the question in most of the temperate areas. Food shortages will be everywhere and starving people, and animals too, will be common even in the most affluent countries. It won't necessarily be about money. There won't be any food. There won't be any energy. There won't be any warmth, period!

So the question I ask of all these people who played on our fears of man-made global warming and duped the public into accepting these draconian measures for a scam, supported by the scantiest of nebulous evidence, perpetrated, at least in a significant part, by the UN, is this. When the power sources that could have been built, but for your inane scheme, are not available along with the power that they would have produced, and will all of you self righteous opportunists who sold your souls to the UN step aside and allow those who played no part in the scam to have the available power and food? I think all we know the answer to that question. Fat Chance!

But don't worry. They'll take care of you.

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#6. To: farmfriend, SonOfLiberty, randge (#0)

Seems that every day you read about how successful the environmentalists have been at stopping a coal fired plant, a hydroelectric dam, or a nuclear reactor in favor of unreliable wind and solar power.

If a free human being doesn't want a coal fired power plant to rain down mercury in their area, or a hydroelectric dam build to destroy their river, or a nuclear reactor that will leak and cause birth defects, then that is your fault.

Instead of attacking those with whom you disagree like puppets pulling your own strings, why don't you get a clue and do something about the Millitary Industrial Complex that is hiding the technology that could free US ALL!

You people are selfish jerks and make me want to join the NWO in putting you into cattle cars.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   15:42:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Clitora (#6)

You expect me to answer you, after you just called me a selfish jerk and proclaimed that you want to put me into a cattle car?

If you want civil discussion, you're going to have to try it the non-Obama way, and start out conversations with me in a civil manner.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-10   15:44:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: SonOfLiberty (#7)

You expect me to answer you, after you just called me a selfish jerk and proclaimed that you want to put me into a cattle car?

If you want civil discussion, you're going to have to try it the non-Obama way, and start out conversations with me in a civil manner.

Well, that just don't make no sense.

So you want me to kiss your ass (and tell you your shit don't stink) but yet you want me to try it the "non-obama way"?

You are confused, obviously.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10 15:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: SonOfLiberty, Christine, Original_Intent, all (#7) (Edited)

May I point out a pattern prevalent here and on the few other forums devoted to free discourse?

The primary utility, in my opinion, of these discussion fora, is to encourage:

1) the deconstruction of Media-Matrix' propaganda, separating the truth, if any, from the spin and framing

2) the propagation and dissemination of information ignored or distorted by the MSM

3) The sharpening of critical thinking and communication skills

4) The building of community and consensus

There are many who share in good faith and many more who seem to desperately crave attention, even negative attention. (A certain poster with an aptly chosen reptilian moniker, apparently desiring to remain within his shell of self-absorbed ignorance, comes to mind)

First, debate is a performance art form, NOT intended to establish any kind of truth. Once you agree to the rules of that form, you are already "framed".

It is the favored verbal sport of those to whom words are weapons with which to vanquish the opposition, not as a path to truth, certainly not to reach a useful consensus!

It is used by lawyers to sway humans to their view, by vapid bloviators to incite the ignorant and by politicians, to fill in time between lobbyist perquisites (children, drugs and money) and to make a show for the rubes that they are working for their bribes, er salaries. (I respectfully exclude Dr. No from this category)

What debate is NOT designed to do, is reveal the truth. (unless you are in Perry Mason or Hollywood land)

If we diligently remove fallacies from formal debates, we are left with hot air and tautologies.

On the other hand, when people offer their thoughts, in a forum such as this, in a sincere effort to reach the state of communication with others of good faith, everyone gains by observing the process of paring away fallacies (unconsciously conveyed along with the concepts), clarifying muddy thinking and arriving at a point where at least the thoughts presented are clearly stated and understood by those in the discussion.

Oh, and there is usually SOME actual information content remaining, beyond the mere state of the person's mind and emotions!

Contrast this with those, paid to incite or naturally ignorant and proud of it, who merely throw up straw men, vomit ad hominem attacks or just muddy the waters with their shiite.

Sure, everyone's thoughts are their opinions, containing a mixture of information useful to others and subjective truth.

However, not everyone is equally full of shiite; some folks' opinions are high on useful information and low on subjective self-deception.

Others' expressions, as evidenced here and elsewhere in the blogosphere, seem to be mostly self-deception, compulsively "shared", in an infantile desire to play mud pies with the bigger kids who have outgrown those games years ago.

The irony is, those who, when called on their empty written (or verbal, in person) expression, whine about no one wanting to debate them, when they haven't (usually) offered any information content other than a thin slice of their current mind control programming, right off the top of their pointy little heads! 8=>

Modelling their "debating skills" on their media matrix heroes, they may honestly think that the game is about ego-dominance and "winning" with a display of sneering derision or "wounded" dignity, a game that NO ONE WINS!

Like war, a debate MAY show who SEEMS to be leadership material, by way of word- spinning domination over the opponent, or who "thinks" better on their feet (though all pro debates are pre-scripted), or who has "street smarts".

In the end, it is an empty exercise, again like war, played for the benefit of the few over the many and no truth emerges, other than the venality of the participants.

(One member even cops a judgemental attitude about Ron Paul not stooping to put- down games during the Presidential dog and pony shows, and not taking the opportunity to win easy points over the hollow men on the stage with him, when he was (and is) clearly on a much more vital machine of getting information into the MSM that would otherwise be totally surpressed!)

I am awed by the patience that many knowledgable people show with the pro and amateur dunces, begging for discourse by throwing stones (pebbles usually), acting in bad faith, pretending to be looking to communicate (which requires an open mind and heart) but really only interested in infantile ego stroking, however retarded that masturbation appears to the rest of us! 8=>

It is not hard to realize that we all have our blind sides; some however, refuse to join the rest of us in learning to recognize our areas of blindness, trusting in the communication process to actually learn something and grow.

I know that I have learned a great deal from watching people work together sculpting a coherent worldview from the lies and noise, right out in the open, in front of everyone. I have enjoyed joining in, when I believed that I had something to add to the sculpted communal vision of Reality.

The easy distinction on these fora is to see those who are playing nice with others in the sincere desire to grow more aware of themselves and more accessible to others and those who are only here to take a ride on the energy, stand in the juice on center stage and say merely, look at me!, like those who mug for the TV camera when they sense that the network feed has them in the frame!

That is their right, everyone has an asshole, I mean an opinion, even if 99% of the latter group's "thoughts" come straight out of the hypnotic whirlpool of the Media Matrix undigested, unapologetically self-centered and patently unconscious....

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