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Title: Archaeological Cover-Ups (Forbidden Archaeology)
Source: United Earth
URL Source: http://www.unitedearth.com.au/forbidden.html#z
Published: Sep 10, 2009
Author: Will Hart
Post Date: 2009-09-10 16:09:11 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Forbidden, Archaeology, Darwin, Theory
Views: 1271
Comments: 73

Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 9, Number 3 (April-May 2002) PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. editor@nexusmagazine.com Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com

by Will Hart © 2002 Email: Wrtsearch1@aol.com

"The Brain Police" and "The Big Lie"

Any time you allege a conspiracy is afoot, especially in the field of science, you are treading on thin ice. We tend to be very sceptical about conspiracies--unless the Mafia or some Muslim radicals are behind the alleged plot. But the evidence is overwhelming and the irony is that much of it is in plain view.

The good news is that the players are obvious. Their game plan and even their play-by-play tactics are transparent, once you learn to spot them. However, it is not so easy to penetrate through the smokescreen of propaganda and disinformation to get to their underlying motives and goals. It would be convenient if we could point to a plumber's unit and a boldface liar like Richard Nixon, but this is a more subtle operation.

The bad news: the conspiracy is global and there are many vested interest groups. A cursory investigation yields the usual suspects: scientists with a theoretical axe to grind, careers to further and the status quo to maintain. Their modus operandi is "The Big Lie"--and the bigger and more widely publicised, the better. They rely on invoking their academic credentials to support their arguments, and the presumption is that no one has the right to question their authoritarian pronouncements that:

1. there is no mystery about who built the Great Pyramid or what the methods of construction were, and the Sphinx shows no signs of water damage; 2. there were no humans in the Americas before 20,000 BC; 3. the first civilisation dates back no further than 6000 BC; 4. there are no documented anomalous, unexplained or enigmatic data to take into account; 5. there are no lost or unaccounted-for civilisations.

Let the evidence to the contrary be damned!

Personal Attacks: Dispute over Age of the Sphinx and Great Pyramid

In 1993, NBC in the USA aired The Mysteries of the Sphinx, which presented geological evidence showing that the Sphinx was at least twice as old (9,000 years) as Egyptologists claimed. It has become well known as the "water erosion controversy". An examination of the politicking that Egyptologists deployed to combat this undermining of their turf is instructive.

Self-taught Egyptologist John Anthony West brought the water erosion issue to the attention of geologist Dr Robert Schoch. They went to Egypt and launched an intensive on-site investigation. After thoroughly studying the Sphinx first hand, the geologist came to share West's preliminary conclusion and they announced their findings.

Dr Zahi Hawass, the Giza Monuments chief, wasted no time in firing a barrage of public criticism at the pair. Renowned Egyptologist Dr Mark Lehner, who is regarded as the world's foremost expert on the Sphinx, joined his attack. He charged West and Schoch with being "ignorant and insensitive". That was a curious accusation which took the matter off the professional level and put the whole affair on a personal plane. It did not address the facts or issues at all and it was highly unscientific.

But we must note the standard tactic of discrediting anyone who dares to call the accepted theories into question. Shifting the focus away from the issues and "personalising" the debate is a highly effective strategy--one which is often used by politicians who feel insecure about their positions. Hawass and Lehner invoked their untouchable status and presumed authority. (One would think that a geologist's assessment would hold more weight on this particular point.)

A short time later, Schoch, Hawass and Lehner were invited to debate the issue at the AmericanAssociation for the Advancement of Science. West was not allowed to participate because he lacked the required credentials.

This points to a questionable assumption that is part of the establishment's arsenal: only degreed scientists can practise science. Two filters keep the uncredentialled, independent researcher out of the loop: (1) credentials, and (2) peer review. You do not get to number two unless you have number one.

Science is a method that anyone can learn and apply. It does not require a degree to observe and record facts and think critically about them, especially in the non-technical social sciences. In a free and open society, science has to be a democratic process.

Be that as it may, West was barred. The elements of the debate have been batted back and forth since then without resolution. It is similar to the controversy over who built the Giza pyramids and how.

This brings up the issue of The Big Lie and how it has been promoted for generations in front of God and everyone. The controversy over how the Great Pyramid was constructed is one example. It could be easily settled if Egyptologists wanted to resolve the dispute. A simple test could be designed and arranged by impartial engineers that would either prove or disprove their longstanding disputed theory--that it was built using the primitive tools and methods of the day, circa 2500 BC.

Why hasn't this been done? The answer is so obvious, it seems impossible: they know that the theory is bogus. Could a trained, highly educated scientist really believe that 2.3 million tons of stone, some blocks weighing 70 tons, could have been transported and lifted by primitive methods? That seems improbable, though they have no compunction against lying to the public, writing textbooks and defending this theory against alternative theories. However, we must note that they will not subject themselves to the bottom-line test.

We think it is incumbent upon any scientist to bear the burden of proof of his/her thesis; however, the social scientists who make these claims have never stood up to that kind of scrutiny. That is why we must suspect a conspiracy. No other scientific discipline would get away with bending the rules of science. All that Egyptologists have ever done is bat down alternative theories using underhanded tactics. It is time to insist that they prove their own proposals.

Why would scientists try to hide the truth and avoid any test of their hypothesis? Their motivations are equally transparent. If it can be proved that the Egyptians did not build the Great Pyramid in 2500 BC using primitive methods, or if the Sphinx can be dated to 9000 BC, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. Orthodox views of cultural evolution are based upon a chronology of civilisation having started in Sumeria no earlier than 4000 BC. The theory does not permit an advanced civilisation to have existed prior to that time. End of discussion. Archaeology and history lose their meaning without a fixed timeline as a point of reference.

Since the theory of "cultural evolution" has been tied to Darwin's general theory of evolution, even more is at stake. Does this explain why facts, anomalies and enigmas are denied, suppressed and/or ignored? Yes, it does. The biological sciences today are based on Darwinism.

Pressure Tactics: The Ica Stones of Peru

Now we turn to another, very different case. In 1966, Dr Javier Cabrera received a stone as a gift from a poor local farmer in his native Ica, Peru. A fish was carved on the stone, which would not have meant much to the average villager but it did mean a lot to the educated Dr Cabrera. He recognised it as a long-extinct species. This aroused his curiosity. He purchased more stones from the farmer, who said he had collected them near the river after a flood.

Dr Cabrera accumulated more and more stones, and word of their existence and potential import reached the archaeological community. Soon, the doctor had amassed thousands of "Ica stones". The sophisticated carvings were as enigmatic as they were fascinating. Someone had carved men fighting with dinosaurs, men with telescopes and men performing operations with surgical equipment. They also contained drawings of lost continents.

Several of the stones were sent to Germany and the etchings were dated to remote antiquity. But we all know that men could not have lived at the time of dinosaurs; Homo sapiens has only existed for about 100,000 years.

The BBC got wind of this discovery and swooped down to produce a documentary about the Ica stones. The media exposure ignited a storm of controversy. Archaeologists criticised the Peruvian government for being lax about enforcing antiquities laws (but that was not their real concern). Pressure was applied to government officials.

The farmer who had been selling the stones to Cabrera was arrested; he claimed to have found them in a cave but refused to disclose the exact location to authorities, or so they claimed.

This case was disposed of so artfully that it would do any corrupt politician proud. The Peruvian government threatened to prosecute and imprison the farmer. He was offered and accepted a plea bargain; he then recanted his story and "admitted" to having carved the stones himself. That seems highly implausible, since he was uneducated and unskilled and there were 11,000 stones in all. Some were fairly large and intricately carved with animals and scenes that the farmer would not have had knowledge of without being a palaeontologist. He would have needed to work every day for several decades to produce that volume of stones. However, the underlying facts were neither here nor there. The Ica stones were labelled "hoax" and forgotten.

The case did not require a head-to-head confrontation or public discrediting of non-scientists by scientists; it was taken care of with invisible pressure tactics. Since it was filed under "hoax", the enigmatic evidence never had to be dealt with, as it did in the next example.

Censorship of "Forbidden" Thinking: Evidence for Mankind's Great Antiquity

The case of author Michael Cremo is well documented, and it also demonstrates how the scientific establishment openly uses pressure tactics on the media and government. His book Forbidden Archeology examines many previously ignored examples of artifacts that prove modern man's antiquity far exceeds the age given in accepted chronologies.

The examples which he and his co-author present are controversial, but the book became far more controversial than the contents when it was used in a documentary.

In 1996, NBC broadcast a special called The Mysterious Origins of Man, which featured material from Cremo's book. The reaction from the scientific community went off the Richter scale. NBC was deluged with letters from irate scientists who called the producer "a fraud" and the whole program "a hoax".

But the scientists went further than this--a lot further. In an extremely unconscionable sequence of bizarre moves, they tried to force NBC not to rebroadcast the popular program, but that effort failed. Then they took the most radical step of all: they presented their case to the federal government and requested the Federal Communications Commission to step in and bar NBC from airing the program again.

This was not only an apparent infringement of free speech and a blatant attempt to thwart commerce, it was an unprecedented effort to censor intellectual discourse. If the public or any government agency made an attempt to handcuff the scientific establishment, the public would never hear the end of it.

The letter to the FCC written by Dr Allison Palmer, President of the Institute for Cambrian Studies, is revealing:

At the very least, NBC should be required to make substantial prime-time apologies to their viewing audience for a sufficient period of time so that the audience clearly gets the message that they were duped. In addition, NBC should perhaps be fined sufficiently so that a major fund for public science education can be established.

I think we have some good leads on who "the Brain Police" are. And I really do not think "conspiracy" is too strong a word--because for every case of this kind of attempted suppression that is exposed, 10 others are going on successfully. We have no idea how many enigmatic artifacts or dates have been labelled "error" and tucked away in storage warehouses or circular files, never to see the light of day.

Data Rejection: Inconvenient Dating in Mexico

Then there is the high-profile case of Dr Virginia Steen-McIntyre, a geologist working for the US Geological Survey (USGS), who was dispatched to an archaeological site in Mexico to date a group of artifacts in the 1970s. This travesty also illustrates how far established scientists will go to guard orthodox tenets.

McIntyre used state-of-the-art equipment and backed up her results by using four different methods, but her results were off the chart. The lead archaeologist expected a date of 25,000 years or less, and the geologist's finding was 250,000 years or more.

The figure of 25,000 years or less was critical to the Bering Strait "crossing" theory, and it was the motivation behind the head archaeologist's tossing Steen-McIntyre's results in the circular file and asking for a new series of dating tests. This sort of reaction does not occur when dates match the expected chronological model that supports accepted theories.

Steen-McIntyre was given a chance to retract her conclusions, but she refused. She found it hard thereafter to get her papers published and she lost a teaching job at an American university.

Government Suppression and Ethnocentrism: Avoiding Anomalous Evidence in NZ, China and Mexico

In New Zealand, the government actually stepped in and enacted a law forbidding the public from entering a controversial archaeological zone. This story appeared in the book, Ancient Celtic New Zealand, by Mark Doutré.

However, as we will find (and as I promised at the beginning of the article), this is a complicated conspiracy. Scientists trying to protect their "hallowed" theories while furthering their careers are not the only ones who want artifacts and data suppressed. This is where the situation gets sticky.

The Waipoua Forest became a controversial site in New Zealand because an archaeological dig apparently showed evidence of a non-Polynesian culture that preceded the Maori--a fact that the tribe was not happy with. They learned of the results of the excavations before the general public did and complained to the government. According to Doutré, the outcome was "an official archival document, which clearly showed an intention by New Zealand government departments to withhold archaeological information from public scrutiny for 75 years".

The public got wind of this fiasco but the government denied the claim. However, official documents show that an embargo had been placed on the site. Doutré is a student of New Zealand history and archaeology. He is concerned because he says that artifacts proving that there was an earlier culture which preceded the Maori are missing from museums. He asks what happened to several anomalous remains:

Where are the ancient Indo-European hair samples (wavy red brown hair), originally obtained from a rock shelter near Watakere, that were on display at the Auckland War Memorial Museum for many years? Where is the giant skeleton found near Mitimati?

Unfortunately this is not the only such incident. Ethnocentrism has become a factor in the conspiracy to hide mankind's true history. Author Graham Hancock has been attacked by various ethnic groups for reporting similar enigmatic findings.

The problem for researchers concerned with establishing humanity's true history is that the goals of nationalists or ethnic groups who want to lay claim to having been in a particular place first, often dovetail with the goals of cultural evolutionists.

Archaeologists are quick to go along with suppressing these kinds of anomalous finds. One reason Egyptologists so jealously guard the Great Pyramid's construction date has to do with the issue of national pride.

The case of the Takla Makan Desert mummies in western China is another example of this phenomenon. In the 1970s and 1980s, an unaccounted-for Caucasian culture was suddenly unearthed in China. The arid environment preserved the remains of a blond-haired, blue-eyed people who lived in pre-dynastic China. They wore colourful robes, boots, stockings and hats. The Chinese were not happy about this revelation and they have downplayed the enigmatic find, even though Asians were found buried alongside the Caucasian mummies.

National Geographic writer Thomas B. Allen mused in a 1996 article about his finding a potsherd bearing a fingerprint of the potter. When he inquired if he could take the fragment to a forensic anthropologist, the Chinese scientist asked whether he "would be able to tell if the potter was a white man". Allen said he was not sure, and the official pocketed the fragment and quietly walked away. It appears that many things get in the way of scientific discovery and disclosure.

The existence of the Olmec culture in Old Mexico has always posed a problem. Where did the Negroid people depicted on the colossal heads come from? Why are there Caucasians carved on the stele in what is Mexico's seed civilisation? What is worse, why aren't the indigenous Mexican people found on the Olmec artifacts? Recently a Mexican archaeologist solved the problem by making a fantastic claim: that the Olmec heads--which generations of people of all ethnic groups have agreed bear a striking resemblance to Africans--were really representations of the local tribe.

Stormtroopers For Darwinism

The public does not seem at all aware of the fact that the scientific establishment has a double standard when it comes to the free flow of information. In essence, it goes like this... Scientists are highly educated, well trained and intellectually capable of processing all types of information, and they can make the correct critical distinctions between fact and fiction, reality and fantasy. The unwashed public is simply incapable of functioning on this high mental plane.

The noble ideal of the scientist as a highly trained, impartial, apolitical observer and assembler of established facts into a useful body of knowledge seems to have been shredded under the pressures and demands of the real world. Science has produced many positive benefits for society; but we should know by now that science has a dark, negative side. Didn't those meek fellows in the clean lab coats give us nuclear bombs and biological weapons? The age of innocence ended in World War II.

That the scientific community has an attitude of intellectual superiority is thinly veiled under a carefully orchestrated public relations guise. We always see Science and Progress walking hand in hand. Science as an institution in a democratic society has to function in the same way as the society at large; it should be open to debate, argument and counter-argument. There is no place for unquestioned authoritarianism. Is modern science meeting these standards?

In the Fall of 2001, PBS aired a seven-part series, titled Evolution. Taken at face value, that seems harmless enough. However, while the program was presented as pure, objective, investigative science journalism, it completely failed to meet even minimum standards of impartial reporting. The series was heavily weighted towards the view that the theory of evolution is "a science fact" that is accepted by "virtually all reputable scientists in the world", and not a theory that has weaknesses and strong scientific critics.

The series did not even bother to interview scientists who have criticisms of Darwinism: not "creationists" but bona fide scientists. To correct this deficiency, a group of 100 dissenting scientists felt compelled to issue a press release, "A Scientific Dissent on Darwinism", on the day the first program was scheduled to go to air. Nobel nominee Henry "Fritz" Schaefer was among them. He encouraged open public debate of Darwin's theory:

Some defenders of Darwinism embrace standards of evidence for evolution that as scientists they would never accept in other circumstances.

We have seen this same "unscientific" approach applied to archaeology and anthropology, where "scientists" simply refuse to prove their theories yet appoint themselves as the final arbiters of "the facts". It would be naive to think that the scientists who cooperated in the production of the series were unaware that there would be no counter-balancing presentation by critics of Darwin's theory.

Richard Milton is a science journalist. He had been an ardent true believer in Darwinian doctrine until his investigative instincts kicked in one day. After 20 years of studying and writing about evolution, he suddenly realised that there were many disconcerting holes in the theory. He decided to try to allay his doubts and prove the theory to himself by using the standard methods of investigative journalism.

Milton became a regular visitor to London's famed Natural History Museum. He painstakingly put every main tenet and classic proof of Darwinism to the test. The results shocked him. He found that the theory could not even stand up to the rigours of routine investigative journalism.

The veteran science writer took a bold step and published a book titled The Facts of Life: Shattering the Myths of Darwinism. It is clear that the Darwinian myth had been shattered for him, but many more myths about science would also be crushed after his book came out. Milton says:

I experienced the witch-hunting activity of the Darwinist police at first handÉit was deeply disappointing to find myself being described by a prominent Oxford zoologist [Richard Dawkins] as "loony", "stupid" and "in need of psychiatric help" in response to purely scientific reporting.

(Does this sound like stories that came out of the Soviet Union 20 years ago when dissident scientists there started speaking out?)

Dawkins launched a letter-writing campaign to newspaper editors, implying that Milton was a "mole" creationist whose work should be dismissed. Anyone at all familiar with politics will recognise this as a standard Machiavellian by-the-book "character assassination" tactic. Dawkins is a highly respected scientist, whose reputation and standing in the scientific community carry a great deal of weight.

According to Milton, the process came to a head when the London Times Higher Education Supplement commissioned him to write a critique of Darwinism. The publication foreshadowed his coming piece: "Next Week: Darwinism - Richard Milton goes on the attack". Dawkins caught wind of this and wasted no time in nipping this heresy in the bud. He contacted the editor, Auriol Stevens, and accused Milton of being a "creationist", and prevailed upon Stevens to pull the plug on the article. Milton learned of this behind-the-scenes backstabbing and wrote a letter of appeal to Stevens. In the end, she caved in to Dawkins and scratched the piece.

Imagine what would happen if a politician or bureaucrat used such pressure tactics to kill a story in the mass media. It would ignite a huge scandal. Not so with scientists, who seem to be regarded as "sacred cows" and beyond reproach. There are many disturbing facts related to these cases. Darwin's theory of evolution is the only theory routinely taught in our public school system that has never been subjected to rigorous scrutiny; nor have any of the criticisms been allowed into the curriculum.

This is an interesting fact, because a recent poll showed that the American public wants the theory of evolution taught to their children; however, "71 per cent of the respondents say biology teachers should teach both Darwinism and scientific evidence against Darwinian theory". Nevertheless, there are no plans to implement this balanced approach.

It is ironic that Richard Dawkins has been appointed to the position of Professor of the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. He is a classic "Brain Police" stormtrooper, patrolling the neurological front lines. The Western scientific establishment and mass media pride themselves on being open public forums devoid of prejudice or censorship. However, no television program examining the flaws and weaknesses of Darwinism has ever been aired in Darwin's home country or in America. A scientist who opposes the theory cannot get a paper published.

The Mysterious Origins of Man was not a frontal attack on Darwinism; it merely presented evidence that is considered anomalous by the precepts of his theory of evolution.

Returning to our bastions of intellectual integrity, Forest Mims was a solid and skilled science journalist. He had never been the centre of any controversy and so he was invited to write the most-read column in the prestigious Scientific American, "The Amateur Scientist", a task he gladly accepted. According to Mims, the magazine's editor Jonathan Piel then learned that he also wrote articles for a number of Christian magazines. The editor called Mims into his office and confronted him.

"Do you believe in the theory of evolution?" Piel asked.

Mims replied, "No, and neither does Stephen Jay Gould."

His response did not affect Piel's decision to bump Mims off the popular column after just three articles.

This has the unpleasant odour of a witch-hunt. The writer never publicly broadcast his private views or beliefs, so it would appear that the "stormtroopers" now believe they have orders to make sure "unapproved" thoughts are never publicly disclosed.

Taboo Or Not Taboo?

So, the monitors of "good thinking" are not just the elite of the scientific community, as we have seen in several cases; they are television producers and magazine editors as well. It seems clear that they are all driven by the singular imperative of furthering "public science education", as the president of the Cambrian Institute so aptly phrased it.

However, there is a second item on the agenda, and that is to protect the public from "unscientific" thoughts and ideas that might infect the mass mind. We outlined some of those taboo subjects at the beginning of the article; now we should add that it is also "unwholesome" and "unacceptable" to engage in any of the following research pursuits: paranormal phenomena, UFOs, cold fusion, free energy and all the rest of the "pseudo-sciences". Does this have a familiar ring to it? Are we hearing the faint echoes of religious zealotry?

Who ever gave science the mission of engineering and directing the inquisitive pursuits of the citizenry of the free world? It is all but impossible for any scientific paper that has anti-Darwinian ramifications to be published in a mainstream scientific journal. It is also just as impossible to get the "taboo" subjects even to the review table, and you can forget about finding your name under the title of any article in Nature unless you are a credentialled scientist, even if you are the next Albert Einstein.

To restate how this conspiracy begins, it is with two filters: credentials and peer review. Modern science is now a maze of such filters set up to promote certain orthodox theories and at the same time filter out that data already prejudged to be unacceptable. Evidence and merit are not the guiding principles; conformity and position within the established community have replaced objectivity, access and openness.

Scientists do not hesitate to launch the most outrageous personal attacks against those they perceive to be the enemy. Eminent palaeontologist Louis Leakey penned this acid one-liner about Forbidden Archeology: "Your book is pure humbug and does not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone but a fool." Once again, we see the thrust of a personal attack; the merits of the evidence presented in the book are not examined or debated. It is a blunt, authoritarian pronouncement.

In a forthcoming instalment, we will examine some more documented cases and delve deeper into thesubtler dimensions of the conspiracy.

References and Resources:

¥ Cremo, Michael A. and Richard L. Thompson, Forbidden Archeology, Govardhan Hill, USA, 1993.

¥ Cremo, Michael A., "The Controversy over 'The Mysterious Origins of Man'", NEXUS 5/04, 1998; Forbidden Archeology's Impact, Bhaktivedanta Book Publishing, USA, 1998, website http://www.mcremo.com.

¥ Doore, Kathy, "The Nazca Spaceport & the Ica Stones of Peru", http://www.labyrinthina.com/ica.htm; see website for copy of Dr Javier Cabrera's book, The Message of the Engraved Stones.

¥ Doutré, Mark, Ancient Celtic New Zealand, Dé Danann, New Zealand, 1999, website http://www.celticnz.co.nz.

¥ Milton, Richard, The Facts of Life: Shattering the Myths of Darwinism, Corgi, UK, 1993, http://www.alternativescience.com.

¥ Steen-McIntyre, Virginia, "Suppressed Evidence for Ancient Man in Mexico", NEXUS 5/05, 1998.

¥ Sunfellow, David, "The Great Pyramid & The Sphinx", November 25, 1994, at http://www.nhne.com/specialrepots/spyramid.html.

¥ Tampa Bay Tribune, October 12, 2001 (Darwinism/evolution quote), http://www.tampatrib.com.

About the Author: Will Hart is a freelance journalist, book author, nature photographer and documentary filmmaker. He lives and does much of his research in the Lake Tahoe area in the USA, and writes a column titled "The Tahoe Naturalist" for a regional publication. He has produced and directed films about wolves and wild horses.

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#1. To: Original_Intent (#0)

status quo to maintain.

The biggest problem with humanity to date.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   16:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

The author makes the main-stream theorists sound like a cult of flat-earthers.

Whenever you shut your mind's door to new ideas, theories, or even events, you begin to die.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-10   16:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine, farmfriend, Cynicom, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Wudidiz, lodwick, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, HappyToBeMe-4um, Esso, Clitora, ItIsTooLate, ratcat, all (#0) (Edited)

I posted this for a couple of reasons:

1. It is an interesting subject in and of itself. How old is mankind and what are our true origins? A fascinating subject which cuts to the core of who we think we are and where we came from.

2. It is through this subject, Archaeology, that I first became aware of "The Knowledge Filter" and how it works. That could be the subject of lengthy article itself. However, when I first became aware that knowledge determines what we see, as put forth by James Burke in his documentary "The Day The Universe Changed, that is, as Mr. Burke put it: "what you know determines to no small extent what you see" and are even able to perceive. That is an important datum and one I have commented on over and over because it is so important in fathoming the true state of affairs on Planet Earth. (It is also in part why I am so hostile to Darwinistic Dogmatists and their intolerance of anything which might throw doubt upon their dogma.)

So, what is "The Knowledge Filter"? Stated simply it is those preconceptions and prejudices which cause someone, anyone really, to throw out perfectly valid information because it is not in alignment with how they "think" the world operates.

The knowledge filter is at work in more areas than just Archaeology. Any time you see someone, particularly in the media, throw out or ignore valid data because it does not align with their preconceived notions the knowledge filter is at play.

Taking it back to Darwin - because Darwinism, and evolution in general, is established upon specific premises (underlying assumptions and conclusions based upon those assumptions) anything which runs counter to those established viewpoints forces the intellectually honest to look again at those assumptions and readjust based upon the new data. That IS the Scientific Method. The Scientific Method properly understood is NOT authoritarian decree from "on high" that certain theories and assumptions are not to be questioned. Because of the weight of accumulating contrary evidence as to the established timeline and chronology of human evolution the Darwinians have become increasingly rabid in their assaults upon anyone who questions their dogma. The sincerity of their beliefs is irrelevant because in a matter of true science it is: What picture does the data paint? It is NOT how do I get rid of data contrary to my preferred point of view? Because many of our current theories of human evolution, and the origin of "man", have a Darwinian base throwing that base into question forces a complete re-evaluation of how it all fits together.

Where this fits in our current political mix is that people with open, active, questioning minds are not good slaves. Further the Darwinian view supports the "Social Darwinism" practice by our ruling elites by supporting their position: "They are in control because they are evolutionarily superior to those they rule". That Social Darwinism is then further used to support the view that anything they do, regardless of how destructive of their fellow humans, is justified because they are superior. Anything which sets people to thinking, questioning, and refuting that view is then to be suppressed.

You can see this view point spread over into actions e.g., the 911 false flag terror is thus justified because it was necessary to get their inferiors to go along with their psychotic plans.

As well anything which would upset the carefully constructed and reinforced world view is thus suppressed.

UFO's don't exist.

The structures on Mars don't exist and it is impossible because mankind evolved only upon the earth and only 35,000 years ago.

You are only meat and are your brain not your soul. Thus you are an animal and may be treated as an animal. Your existence, your life, and those you love are only valuable to the degree that they are useful to the elite.

911 was perpetrated by "19Arabswhohateuscuzwe'refree", and buildings collapse uniformly and symmetrically because of localized fires.

So, the perceptive can see where this leads: Social Control Through Information Control. The ruling elites, from their psychotic viewpoint, believe that they must control what people think and perceive in order to keep them under control. Thus anything which causes people to question the established world view cannot be allowed. Hopefully if you have read this far you are beginning to "get the picture". What you know, and are allowed to know, is kept under tight control. Thus the controlled media will either not report on some topics and subjects or treats them with ridicule in order to prevent people from looking and thinking.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   16:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Lod (#2)

The author makes the main-stream theorists sound like a cult of flat-earthers.

Whenever you shut your mind's door to new ideas, theories, or even events, you begin to die.

Actually I would argue that many of them ARE the modern equivalent of "Flat-Earthers".

As you rightly point out when one becomes firmly convinced that something untrue is the veritable and absolute truth they are then absolutely and veritably wrong.

In science, or any realm of thought, the question is always, or should be, what are the facts? Not do the facts fit the accepted theory? Then throwing out or hiding facts inconvenient to the "accepted theory".

You can find echoes of this throughout the history of science:

Harvey, who developed the first theories of the circulatory system, was derided, villified, and repudiated because his theory did not fit the current accepted view that blood flowed like tides as stated by the Greek Physician Galen. I always regarded the most instructive phrase out of that time as: "I would rather err with Galen than be right with Harvey".

Alfred Wegner, who is the father of modern Plate Tectonics, was derided and ridiculed by mainstream Geologists in his day. "How dare a Meteorologist and explorer dare have a theory other than what "we" Geologists say is true." Of course Wegner's theory of "Continental Drift" (which has been extended and filled in) was correct.

Gregor Mendel's work on the inheritability of physical characteristics lay unnoticed and unaccepted in the century following his death.

I could cite other examples but those suffice to make my point.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   16:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Most excellent post!


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-10   17:58:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#4)

More excellent examples and thoughts. Thanks.

To paraphrase Forrest Gump, "I'm not a smart man, but I know what bullshit is."

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-10   18:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#0)

evidence of a non-Polynesian culture that preceded the Maori--a fact that the tribe was not happy with.

Kind of like Kennewick Man

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-10   18:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, sushigirl, bluegrass, Tatarewicz, PSUSA, lodwick, randge, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, christine, TwentyTwelve, X-15, LACUMO, RickyJ, Elliott Jackalope, James Deffenbach, MUDDOG, gengis gandhi, Prefrontal Vortex, IndieTX, Horse (#4) (Edited)

from the source article Evidence and merit are not the guiding principles; conformity and position within the established community have replaced objectivity, access and openness.

Scientists do not hesitate to launch the most outrageous personal attacks against those they perceive to be the enemy. Eminent palaeontologist Louis Leakey penned this acid one-liner about Forbidden Archeology: "Your book is pure humbug and does not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone but a fool." Once again, we see the thrust of a personal attack; the merits of the evidence presented in the book are not examined or debated. It is a blunt, authoritarian pronouncement.

my comment The fallacious argumentitive tactic of Ad Hominem in all its decrepit glory; not only used by sycophants and paid shill cyber-grunts on free speech forums but by the best dogmatists money can buy in the official state religion: Corporo-Academic Big Science.

Original_Intent (It is also in part why I am so hostile to Darwinistic Dogmatists and their intolerance of anything which might throw doubt upon their dogma.)

my comment Dogma is dogma; whether sourced from the now obvious social control strategies practiced by the Medieval religious clubs or coming from paid talking heads of the Establishment priests of Big Science, it is still anathema to freedom, and to the necessary progression in discovering the truth and integrating it into a comprehensive understanding of the Universe.

When dogma is enforced by the power of greed, using tactics of collusion, in violation of our republic's law, it becomes a tool of tyranny, nothing less.

Original_Intent Taking it back to Darwin - because Darwinism, and evolution in general, is established upon specific premises (underlying assumptions and conclusions based upon those assumptions) anything which runs counter to those established viewpoints forces the intellectually honest to look again at those assumptions and readjust based upon the new data. That IS the Scientific Method. The Scientific Method properly understood is NOT authoritarian decree from "on high" that certain theories and assumptions are not to be questioned. Because of the weight of accumulating contrary evidence as to the established timeline and chronology of human evolution the Darwinians have become increasingly rabid in their assaults upon anyone who questions their dogma. The sincerity of their beliefs is irrelevant because in a matter of true science it is: What picture does the data paint? It is NOT how do I get rid of data contrary to my preferred point of view? Because many of our current theories of human evolution, and the origin of "man", have a Darwinian base throwing that base into question forces a complete re-evaluation of how it all fits together.

Excellent source article and follow-on posts, O_I!

This is a topic with deep impact on the current state of our dying cult.

The absurdity of the notion that the high priests of Corporate Science are somehow immune to politics, greed and social forces in general, has led to the blatent, naked use of the fallacy of Argument by Authority, buttressed and pumped by the power of the Media Matrix.

A vital distinction, deconstructing the Big Frame used to polarize the "debate" (or is that "debase",? Hmmmn) is that between:

A) the concept of evolution, which Darwin certainly did not originate, but gets gredit for, for the same reason that Einstein, who did NOT originate the formulation of E=MC^2, gets the credit for it, namely public relations and repetition ( just like the method used in the Big Lie)

and B) Darwin's theory of natural selection, summarized as the survival of the fittest, in homage to Malthus and other contemporary intellectuals of his age.

This distinction is most critical, because any argument that gets boxed in from the beginning as trying to deny that species have changed over time is lost to absurdity.

This distinction makes it easier to see the illogical deduction:

That just because specie change can be shown, DOES NOT validate the superficial, reductionist "Theory of Natural Selection" as capable of explaining the entire progression from no life to human life!

Evolutionary biology has taken the bit of materialist reductionism in its Gunvernment-funds-slurping mouth and run with it, straining credulity all the way to the bank, in trying to explain altruistic behaviour from the selfish gene, for example.

The embarrassing gaps in the fossil record get spun with "punctuated equilibrium" and the anomalous data is not only studiously ignored, but actively and savagely suppressed.

The power of the Scientific or Empirical method is that a theory, any theory and all theories for ALL TIME, are subject to test, and falsification at ANY TIME, by experiment and new facts, ESPECIALLY new anomalous facts, are the lifeblood of true science.

Instead of this enlightened, agenda-free approach to the progression of scientific knowledge, we see, if we look behind the academic curtain and official pop sci media, a long history of selecting the data that fits the current theory, such as the 1/2 charge results in Milliken's classic oil drop experiment to calculate the charge of the electron, thrown out as "experimental error", and throwing AWAY the precious anomalous data.

Anomalies are precious because, as O_I said above:

However, when I first became aware that knowledge determines what we see - that is "what you know determines to no small extent what you see" and are even able to perceive
So, any NEW facts that get through our blinders are the MOST valuable, since they may lead to a deeper understanding and force flat, two-dimensional theories to grow to more dimensions, expanding their scope in order to explain and comprehend the anomalous facts.

That example may be too esoteric and abstract to hit home, but how about the history of outright persecution and murder of inventors and medical pioneers?

If there are ANY monetary implications to any knowledge, and of course, any true knowledge of the way the Universe works HAS immense monetary value, then it is sure that some interest, vested in the status quo will be highly motivated to interfere with scientific understanding, and unfortunately for the rest of us, those players always have a surplus of money to throw at the problem, the ill-gotten skim from the honest labor of the many.

The modern corruption (and primary filter) of "Peer review" is nothing but a kangaroo court and a conspiracy of silence for the convenience of the status quo and NOTHING to do with the scientific method that created the Western renaissance and the resulting technological explosion.

Of course, experiments must be replicatible as anything must be that is subject to test through experiment, but having some hostile corporo-academic hit squad "fail" to reproduce the results, only provides a dubious, non-datum, as one cannot definitively prove a negative logical proposition.

"We, the all-powerful OZ, doing our best keystone cop/playing dumb impression, could not, in "good faith" () reproduce the Pons-Fleischer anomalous heat so Cold Fusion is hokum and Pons and Fleischer are not scientists; we expell them from the tribe!". And thus their research moved to France, among other places, under a Toyota grant)

Every year, we hear yet another academic team pronouncing that that are close to being able to create life in the lab; upon closer examination, they are talking about merely hacking the genome, assembling FrankenBacteria of FrankenVirus' from the parts of already living organisms.

Contrary to propaganda, there have been NO (zero, nada, none) successful attempts at going from chemicals to simple amino acids, by simulation of early Earth environments, using artifical lightening and innumerable recipes of heat and pressure, in an attempt to cook up life's building blocks using Monte Carlo- created random statistical variation.

Does this imply that the secret of life is unknowable by Man? OF COURSE NOT!

It simply shows the backruptcy (ouch!) of the strictly materialistic, reductionist approach that underpins the current world-wide Cult, and the totalitarian agenda.

If the truth, in a supposedly objective and most rigorous discipline such as science, can be manipulated at will by elites and their paid technologists, what hope is there left in the credulous that ordinary "knowledge" of events has any relation to reality, like who killed who and how and just how did all three WTC towers collapse at near free-fall speeds?

Of course, Big Science and the politically-driven "experts" were used to great effect in putting the mass mind to sleep about any questions or flaws in the official conspiracy-theory.

The technological "magic shows" of CSI, NCIS and the like, dazzling those intellects still consuming the Media Matrix swill with pseudo-"scientific" bulls#!+, have continually conditioned the mass mind with the illusion of Certainty in what is ultimately, a socially-mediated consensual reality, in a prime example (ouch) of how science-as-religion or more accurately, technology- as-religion can lie with more authority over the mind than the dark age churches ever wielded.


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when that card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ashes of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2009-09-10   20:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Flintlock, farmfriend, all (#7)

evidence of a non-Polynesian culture that preceded the Maori--a fact that the tribe was not happy with.

Kind of like Kennewick Man

Pretty much. (For those not familiar - Kennewick Man is a caucasian skeleton, nearly complete, that was found near Kennewick Washington. What makes the recovered remains "embarassing" is that the skeleton is at least 10,000 years old - or about 9,000 years older than the earliest accepted date for the very first European/Caucasian explorers reaching North America. Of course there are other indications found in other places - such as Roman Coins dug up in the Texas and Nordic Runes in the Midwest.)

Kennewick has shaken the archaeologic establishment (as well as "Native Rights" advocates) because it is much much too early in time for a Caucasian to be in North America according to the accepted dogma. So, of course, they are doing their best to explain it away and/or ignore it. They can't ignore the skeletal remains so they have to invent some other cock-n-bull story to fit it into the way they "know" things to be.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   20:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Any time you allege a conspiracy is afoot, especially in the field of science, you are treading on thin ice. We tend to be very sceptical

I stopped reading at this point for the simple fact that if you're a scientist, you should at least have the intelligence to use a spell check, or be learned enough to know how to spell SKEPTICAL.

It doesn't matter what points this guy puts up, because if he's a SCIENTIST, or talking about science and can't spell the simplest of words, it's not worth reading.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-09-10   20:24:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Kennewick has shaken the archaeologic establishment (as well as "Native Rights" advocates) because it is much much too early in time for a Caucasian to be in North America according to the accepted dogma.

A lot has happened on earth that most people have no idea of.

That is why the elite either hide stuff, bury it, or destroy it.

I was in san fransisco one time, and I overheard a women talking about them stopping construction because they found some sort of pyramid structure.

Then saw it in the news. Then there was an eclipse. Strange days.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   20:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Let's not forget the red haired caucasian giants of China. That kind of threw the Chinese for a loop on that discovery, as they are STILL trying to cover that up.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-09-10   20:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HighLairEon, O_I, all (#8)

That just because specie change can be shown, DOES NOT validate the superficial, reductionist "Theory of Natural Selection" as capable of explaining the entire progression from no life to human life!

Yep! But try and tell them that... Just try. LOL! They call me crazy for believing in creation, but they expect me to believe all life evolved from some ooze that was hit by lightning. Who's the crazy one here? Is that the best they can do?

Good post, and a great thread!

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-10   20:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent, *9-11* (#3)

Thank you for the ping.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-10   20:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Original_Intent (#10)

I stopped reading at this point for the simple fact that if you're a scientist, you should at least have the intelligence to use a spell check, or be learned enough to know how to spell SKEPTICAL.

It doesn't matter what points this guy puts up, because if he's a SCIENTIST, or talking about science and can't spell the simplest of words, it's not worth reading.

Actually I'm a member of an international skeptical science forum and they also spelled it with a C. Not all words are spelled the same in every country. Some words have "U"s in them that we don't use.


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-10   20:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#12)

Let's not forget the red haired caucasian giants of China. That kind of threw the Chinese for a loop on that discovery, as they are STILL trying to cover that up.

Those people were blue bloods. I suspect that they are related to the world's elite that is trying to kill us all off.

www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummieschina.html

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   20:29:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Original_Intent (#10)

I stopped reading at this point for the simple fact that if you're a scientist, you should at least have the intelligence to use a spell check, or be learned enough to know how to spell SKEPTICAL.

It doesn't matter what points this guy puts up, because if he's a SCIENTIST, or talking about science and can't spell the simplest of words, it's not worth reading.

Throwing out the baby with the bath water?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-10   20:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Original_Intent, farmfriend, All (#17) (Edited)

British spell it 'sceptical' U.S. Spell it 'skeptical'.

Now you can read the rest with no contempt.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-10   20:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: HighLairEon (#8)

Thank you for your excellent addition to the thread.

Evolutionary biology has taken the bit of materialist reductionism in its Gunvernment-funds-slurping mouth and run with it, straining credulity all the way to the bank, in trying to explain altruistic behaviour from the selfish gene, for example.

Exactly - evolutionary biology, as currently practiced, is founded upon a materialist premise which excludes a priori' all other possibilities. (For those not familiar with "Materialism" from a philosophic point of view it can basically summed up as "if you can't sense it with the ordinary senses of sight, sound, tactile (touch), and smell it does not exist. In other words taken to its extreme it implies that inanimate matter created itself and that man is evolved from inanimate matter.)

The embarrassing gaps in the fossil record get spun with "punctuated equilibrium" and the anomalous data is not only studiously ignored, but actively and savagely suppressed.

And Eldridge and Gould were attacked by the "true believers" (as was Sir Fred Hoyle) for noticing those gaps and trying to find a way, within the accepted paradigm, of explaining them away. Their theory tacitly acknowledged that Darwinian "Natural Selection" was an incomplete theory and explanation. For that sin they were villified and attacked. BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!

The modern corruption (and primary filter) of "Peer review" is nothing but a kangaroo court and a conspiracy of silence for the convenience of the status quo and NOTHING to do with the scientific method that created the Western renaissance and the resulting technological explosion.

I would go even further and state that "Peer Review" is a way to ensure that original thought will be censored out of the debate for the apostasy it is. /Sarcasm

Peer Review is an incestuous relationship wherein approved academics approve and endorse each others work while ensuring that someone not a member of the club is not allowed to speak.

If the truth, in a supposedly objective and most rigorous discipline such as science, can be manipulated at will by elites and their paid technologists, what hope is there left in the credulous that ordinary knowledge, like who killed who and how and just how did all three WTC towers collapse at near free- fall speeds?

Of course, Big Science and the politically-driven "experts" were used to great effect in putting the mass mind to sleep about any questions or flaws in the official conspiracy-theory.

Again, spot on observations. I am minded of Professor Eagar's explanation of why the Towers fell - which at this point has been so thoroughly shredded that it represents a good example of "Science For Hire". Here is Mad Max's Deconstruction of Eagar's Spin.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   20:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz, TommyTheMadArtist, farmfriend, All (#18) (Edited)

British spell it 'sceptical' U.S. Spell it 'skeptical'.

Now you can read the rest with no contempt.

Snotty comment removed by poster.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   20:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend, TommyTheMadArtist, wudidiz, all (#15)

I stopped reading at this point for the simple fact that if you're a scientist, you should at least have the intelligence to use a spell check, or be learned enough to know how to spell SKEPTICAL.

It doesn't matter what points this guy puts up, because if he's a SCIENTIST, or talking about science and can't spell the simplest of words, it's not worth reading.

Actually I'm a member of an international skeptical science forum and they also spelled it with a C. Not all words are spelled the same in every country. Some words have "U"s in them that we don't use.

Do you really expect me to humour that? How do you like them Potatoes?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   20:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent, TommyTheMadArtist, wudidiz (#21)

How do you like them Potatoes?

What colour?


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-10   20:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Mmmmmmmmmmmm...

Potatoes.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-10   20:54:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#21)

Do you really expect me to humour that? How do you like them Potatoes?

There is no glamour in something that would cause such rigour causing a diarrhoea manoeuvre.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   20:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: farmfriend (#22)

How do you like them Potatoes?

What colour?

Au Naturale of course. ;-)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   20:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Original_Intent (#25)

LOL of course


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-10   20:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HighLairEon (#8)

integrating it into a comprehensive understanding of the Universe.

Boy are you white.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-10   21:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Clitora (#11)

Kennewick has shaken the archaeologic establishment (as well as "Native Rights" advocates) because it is much much too early in time for a Caucasian to be in North America according to the accepted dogma.

A lot has happened on earth that most people have no idea of.

That is why the elite either hide stuff, bury it, or destroy it.

I was in san fransisco one time, and I overheard a women talking about them stopping construction because they found some sort of pyramid structure.

Then saw it in the news. Then there was an eclipse. Strange days.

Interesting - hadn't heard of that one.

I do recall one from about 8 or 9 years ago - a shopping center or condo tower was being built in Florida and a ring structure, similar to Stonehenge, was uncovered. Another one of those anomalies that was not covered in the lamestream news and has totally disappeared off of the radar.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   22:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)

I do recall one from about 8 or 9 years ago - a shopping center or condo tower was being built in Florida and a ring structure, similar to Stonehenge, was uncovered. Another one of those anomalies that was not covered in the lamestream news and has totally disappeared off of the radar.

Have you ever heard of coralcastle.com/?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   22:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Clitora (#29) (Edited)

Have you ever heard of coralcastle.com/?

Yet another amazing example of the mysterious depth of resources/powers humans possess, unfortunately, usually un-plumbed by most.


Anger? as a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? not enough to screen your intention to be free from the Talosians, who can’t read primitive emotions but know what you watch on cable/sat, read on the Internet and eat. Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors. Fear mongers HATE it when that card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ashes of the totalitarian game!

HighLairEon  posted on  2009-09-10   22:54:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Clitora (#24)

Do you really expect me to humour that? How do you like them Potatoes?

There is no glamour in something that would cause such rigour causing a diarrhoea manoeuvre.

Hee, hee. Well met!

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   23:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Clitora (#29)

Have you ever heard of coralcastle.com/?

Yes, truly interesting. He was on to something but took it with him to the grave.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   23:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)

Yes, truly interesting. He was on to something but took it with him to the grave.

Actually, the feds wanted to know how he did it.

He didn't so they kicked his ass. He died soon after.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   23:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Clitora (#33)

He didn't so they kicked his ass. He died soon after.

That makes my nasty suspicious mind wonder if he was whacked, or whether it was just an old man beat beyond his ability to recover.

Do you have a link for that perchance?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-10   23:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)

I stopped reading at this point for the simple fact that if you're a scientist, you should at least have the intelligence to use a spell check, or be learned enough to know how to spell SKEPTICAL.

"Sceptical" is the commonly accepted British spelling of the word. Just FYI.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-09-10   23:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)

That makes my nasty suspicious mind wonder if he was whacked, or whether it was just an old man beat beyond his ability to recover.

Do you have a link for that perchance?

My friend went there after I told him about it.

A guy there told him the story.

I doubt it is something they put in pamphlets.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-10   23:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Clitora (#36)

Got it.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   0:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#12)

Let's not forget the red haired caucasian giants of China. That kind of threw the Chinese for a loop on that discovery, as they are STILL trying to cover that up.

The Chinese are not the only ones. Viewzone, an e-zine which reports on anomalies, carried a story a few years ago about a very large stone fortress/city that was discovered in the American midwest. The relic was reburied and the owner threatened to keep his yap shut if he knew what was good for him.

In 1881 the Arizona Gazette reported on a Smithsonian expedition to recover Egyptian relics from a cave in the Grand Canyon. Today the Smithsonian denies it ever occurred and the several boxcars of relics have, as in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" - disappeared.

Other anomalous finds have popped up here and there around the planet only to be quickly suppressed and "disappeared".

Someone, some group, does not want our viewpoint shifted by the knowledge of mankind's true antiquity.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   0:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent (#38)

Viewzone, an e-zine which reports on anomalies, carried a story a few years ago about a very large stone fortress/city that was discovered in the American midwest. The relic was reburied and the owner threatened to keep his yap shut if he knew what was good for him.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   2:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Original_Intent (#9)

Great links, thank you for posting them!

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-09-11   2:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: wudidiz, HighLairEon, TommyTheMadArtist, farmfriend, Clitora, christine, TwentyTwelve, Kamala, , RickyJ, Elliott Jackalope, James Deffenbach, Lod, MUDDOG, gengis gandhi, IndieTX, Flintlock, All (#39) (Edited)

Thank you for the link It was hard to force myself to read it as I feel so strongly on the subject and just so absolutely outraged over this kind of psychotic destruction of ancient sites.

It is of course, as I have commented before, about power and control. Were the average person to become aware of these kinds of sites, while many would be incurious, many others would be inspired, have their minds awakened. and begin with their active intelligence to question other assumptions "that everybody knows". I cannot help but think of a Robert Heinlein comment when I mention everybody knows - "If everybody knows then it is almost certainly wrong by odds of 10 to 1". That's probably not verbatim but you get the point. We live in a very controlled society and yet most people do not realize just how controlled they are. When you can control what a person knows you control what they can see and what they are capable of thinking about. This in turn controls the level of industry and the level of resistance to tyranny. As an aside this is why the repeated attacks against Home Schooling. Home schoolers are not taught the carefully controlled official "knowledge" and thus are outside the control paradigm. Of course many still do break out of that paradigm but we are a small minority compared to the vast herd lost in their fog of half truths and inconsequential and irrational fears.

If people were made aware that we have had at least one, if not more, previous technologically advanced cultures on this planet they would start asking what happened to them? And, most importantly, how do we avoid the same fate.

There are evidences, both physical and written in the Indian Vedas, that suggest a nuclear war in pre-history. How would that change how people think? About themselves? About our culture? About those in leadership positions?

I have read hints and rumors that the Illuminati/Masons have texts and knowledge, restricted now only to their highest levels and initiates, which contain some of this knowledge handed down in written form. For whatever venal reasons of power and control it is, like the knowledge of the truly great antiquity of human origins, is held secret and hidden from the hoi polloi. It just wouldn't do to have the serfs become too knowledgeable and "uppity". After all look at what happened with an educated youth in the late 60's. Of course the dumbing down was already being done but was not as complete or as rigid as it is now.

I could go into despair over what has, is being, been done by the psychotics in control, but their are forces in place fighting to counter it. They are growing and "good lord willin' and the creek don't rise" will succeed. Knowledge and truth are much more powerful than the lies. One of the most powerful weapons in our arsenal is to support adult literacy programs which serve to counter the intentional creation of ignorance. Encourage others to turn off the telly and pick up a book. I am so thankful that I stopped watching television because now 6 years or so down the road I have learned so much more and had my universe expand so much as a result that I could never go back to the mind numbing pablum that is pushed as mass "entertainment".

I am reminded of a comment by the late J.B.S. Haldane (while I think it a little hyperbolic - believing as I do that anything that can be conceived of by the mind of man can be understood by the mind of man - nevertheless is does hint at a basic truth:

"The universe is not only stranger than we think it is stranger than we can think."

In short the universe passed down to us in the controlled texts run through the knowledge filter is not only not the complete truth it is often not true at all, and false impressions can be created by both faulty knowledge and lack of knowledge.

(Edited to add an additional link.)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   11:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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