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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
Source: The Obvious
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
Views: 1720
Comments: 182

I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked.  This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary.  After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum.

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything.  It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories.  After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

You hate alex jones too don't you?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   9:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You hate alex jones too don't you?

I enjoy Jones' comedy a great deal.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   9:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

“Truth Is Treason In An Empire Of Lies” - Dr. Ron Paul

911 is a study in human psychology and the "Emporer has no clothes" syndrome.

Only a child can see it, or an adult who retains the very human characteristic of curiosity. Those who can not see that the emporer is naked have lost their innate humanity and have been slowly dying a spriritual death as the psychopaths lead them on a path of destruction. I for one will not cooperate and surprisingly that is about all one needs to to as the empire comes crashing down. The empire, in stark contrast to the three world trade center towers, which were demolished by expolsives will fall to the ground under its own weight.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   10:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

I agree. But not for the reason you might think.

It's like trying to put a puzzle together, when you don't know what the end result will look like, and you don't have all the pieces.

But there are enough pieces in place to give a person a good idea of what that puzzle looks like.

I don't know what pieces can now be added. Those that see it, see it. Those that don't, don't.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

no new investigation, check

no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, check

no convictions, check

still has not offered proof to support its theories, ahhhh, you tried to sneak that one in there, didn't you, you naughty boy...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   10:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC. It is not available outside of secretive military labs in the US and Israel.

So what did the perpetratirs get? They got America to kill, maim and displace millions of peoplr in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we got a few thousand Americans killed on 9-11 and a few more soldieras since then. And they got America to spend a few hundred billion dollars to move the date of our bankruptcy forwatd.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2009-09-11   10:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

still has not offered proof to support its theories, ahhhh, you tried to sneak that one in there, didn't you, you naughty boy...

That's right, no proof has been offered.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   10:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC.

Does Charlie Sheen know this?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   10:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's right, no proof has been offered.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Those are the pros. Read it if you want.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   10:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those who can not see that the emporer is naked have lost their innate humanity and have been slowly dying a spriritual death as the psychopaths lead them on a path of destruction. I for one will not cooperate and surprisingly that is about all one needs to to as the empire comes crashing down. The empire, in stark contrast to the three world trade center towers, which were demolished by expolsives will fall to the ground under its own weight.

I and many others merely want to survive it's collapse and thrive afterward, as nature intended it.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   10:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those are the pros.

I suggest they use a different term other than "911 truth" because that term conjures up a collection of narrow minded, hypersensitive morons who have a fit when challenged.

The term "911 truth" is associated with the likes of Alex Jones, We Are Change and other goofballs who will never be taken seriously by anyone outside their clique.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   11:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree. That term has been taken over by people with their own agendas; or more likely, working for others agendas.

All I want to know is the truth, no matter what it is. I think that goes for most people here too.

There's nothing wrong with being challenged on anything. Iron sharpeneth iron.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All I want to know is the truth,no matter what it is.

No you don't. You want to know the truth based upon your own emotional logic.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree. That term has been taken over by people with their own agendas; or more likely, working for others agendas.

It sure would be funny to learn that Alex Jones is a paid disinfo agent.

But most likely he's just a clown who has found a way to profit off of lesser clowns.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   11:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger.

I like your tagline.

I like it because it's true.

Everyone knows Kissinger is a scumbag. WTF, he doesn't even hide it. So deal with him at your peril.

But Jones is more dangerous, because some people see him as an ally. He can, and does, sneak things in under the worshippers radar. And when people point that out, by using SPECIFIC examples, they throw temper tantrums and start name calling. I suppose that is meant to discourage the person being called names.

I think that's funny, myself.

I won't stop. I'm not alone. Others do it too. But according to YOUR emotional "logic", and others, those people are "agents" and one of Jones' favorite words, "shills".

If you are going to dispute the facts of what is presented, then do it. Otherwise, you are just pissing up a rope.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It sure would be funny to learn that Alex Jones is a paid disinfo agent.

I accused Hal Turner of that, and got called names for it.

I was right, of course. ANd I wan't the only one that said that.

I think Jones probably is too. Even if he does like the $$$ also. Simple idiocy does not explain the idiotic things he has said and done. No one can be that stupid. And he never admits his mistakes, that I have ever heard or read. He just tries to let it slide and go onto other idiocy.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I won't stop. I'm not alone. Others do it too.

Your emotional logic is dictating for you to jump off that bridge with all your others.

Henry Kissenger is infinitely more destructive than an alex jones.

Simple because, you won't go out with a bull horn and yell out in front of kissinger and associates that he was responsible for the deaths of millions in south east asia.

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

I can only imagine that alex jones isn't all that into human sacrifice as much as kissinger and his associtates, but you go on hacking at the branches of evil if it suits you.

By law of numbers someone somewhere is hacking at the root.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone knows Kissinger is a scumbag. WTF, he doesn't even hide it. So deal with him at your peril.

I just realized something.

You would rather attack someone, on an internet forum, than actually stop a group of people doing monsterous things in real life!

You flat earthers have been pigeonholed to whining on internet forums.

I cannot take you people anymore. You bring me down. Your arrogant stupidity brings me vibrationally down.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

Then why should you care enough to post this vanity? Evidently just to count respondents. You sound like a government lobbyist or bean counter.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   11:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I and many others merely want to survive it's collapse and thrive afterward, as nature intended it.

Welcome to my world.

The Empire is fearful, and backed into a corner like the monster it is. Under these conditions it will strike at anyone or anything that is a perceived or created threat,ie. the muzzies, the gun nuts, the truthers, etc., Stay well my friend, nature does seem to be quite efficient in disposing of empires, this will be no different. God bless and may we stay under the radar of the beast of The State.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   12:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Simple because, you won't go out with a bull horn and yell out in front of kissinger and associates that he was responsible for the deaths of millions in south east asia.

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

I can only imagine that alex jones isn't all that into human sacrifice as much as kissinger and his associtates, but you go on hacking at the branches of evil if it suits you.

Kissinger was not singlehandedly responsible for those deaths. He had a lot of help. Want to blame someone for Nam? Try McNamara or that shitbag Johnson or those that made a lot of money off that war. Kissinger just played a supporting role.

I dont care about rape rumors.

I see no proof of human sacrifice.

Again: If you are going to dispute the facts of what is presented, then do it. Otherwise, you are just pissing up a rope.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your arrogant stupidity brings me vibrationally down.

Great. I pissed off a New Ager.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

5% of the men/women in the military do the killing, the psychopaths.

95% go through the motions and never fire a weapon in the direction of the "enemy", their fellow man.

Kissinger is certainly one of the 5 percenters, a psychopath.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   12:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I see no proof of human sacrifice.

"Deprogramming the masses since 1547" Mission Statement

For centuries, mankind knew all there was to know about the shape of the Earth. It was a flat planet, shaped roughly like a circle, with lots of pointy things hanging down from the underside. On the comparatively smooth topside, Europe sat in the middle of the circle, with the other continents scattered about the fringes, and parts of Africa hanging over the edge. The oceans lapped against the sides of the Earth, and in places ran over, creating currents that would pull over the edge ships that ventured too far out to sea. The space beyond the edge of the world was a dark realm inhabited by all sorts of unholy beasts. Fire and brimstone billowed up from the very depths of hell itself and curled 'round the cliffs whose infinite length jutted straight down to the darkest depths . . . .

Then, in the year of our Lord fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, it all changed. For decades a small band of self-proclaimed "enlightened" individuals had been spouting their heretical nonsense that the Earth was in fact round. Citing "proof" based on nothing more than assumptions, half-truths and blind guesses, they dazzled the populace with their " . . . undeniable mathematical and scientific evidence . . . that the world is shaped not like a pancake, but an orange!"

Rightly wishing to dispel notions regarding the alleged citrus-like shape of our planet, the Church was able to either silence or execute nearly all the fanatics. But a small handful remained, continuing to spread their blasphemous speeches and to promote their heretical ideals involving the very center of the universe. One of their number, who called himself Grigori Efimovich, would later be known to the rest of the world as Christopher Columbus. Using an elaborate setup involving hundreds of mirrors and a few burlap sacks, he was able to create an illusion so convincing that it was actually believed he had sailed around the entire planet and landed in the West Indies. As we now know, he did not. What Efimovich actually did was sail across the Atlantic Ocean to a previously undiscovered continent, North America, and even then only to a small island off the coast. It took him several years more even to "discover" his blunder and claim it as a " . . . new world". But the damage had already been done, and mankind entered into what we now call its "Dark Ages" . . . . www.alaska.net/~clund/e_d...kopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Monday, February 19, 2007

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being used to deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"

A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called "9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly after the attacks, is an outright fake that has been used by US intelligence agencies to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

... An outline in simple talking points ...

Version of May 22, 2006: This overview is in development. If you use the search function with key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.

THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command

a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures

a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93 Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?

THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS

6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?

a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.

c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers

a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military's "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.

b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11 A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading

a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.

b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.

c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-worldtrade-50suspects,0,1 825231.story

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.

b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dyalisis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?

c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?

d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up

a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).

c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.

d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall

a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.

c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies

a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.

b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection

a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")

b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.

c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:

a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.

b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."

c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission's request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux

a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).

b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22

a. Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections

a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)

b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game" The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor" Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror" 9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution

a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.

b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions

9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?

On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?

Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars

a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?

b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game" Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?

HISTORY

38) "Al-CIA-da?" The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"

a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."

b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government

a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.

b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.

REASON NUMBER 41: RELATED MOVEMENTS AND PARALLEL ISSUES

Ground Zero aftermath movements: - Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org) - "Radio Silence" (radiosilencefdny.com) - Skyscraper Safety (www.skyscrapersafety.org).

Election fraud and black box voting, 2000 to 2004. (nov9truth.org)

Lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. (afterdowningstreet.org)

Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (See, "The War at Home")

Oklahoma City Truth movement. (okctruth.org)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order" - An unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.

GOING FORWARD ...

"But an inside job would involve thousands of people! How could they keep a secret?" Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.

Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources)

Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes - Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Hi there Mr. PsyOpbot.

Actually what you are trying to do is help drive a stake into the heart of 911 Truth.

Yes there is a lot of disinfo out there, false trails, and covert operators, such as Alex Jones, trying to mislead and sap the strength of the growing opposition to the incipient tyranny your masters wish to impose. Actually you make me wonder if "Loose Change" was not part of the PsyOp Matrix - to provide a debunkable film that, while mostly true, included just enough bad info to discredit the entire concept by association. Jason Bermas "anti-anti-zionist" outburst was very revealing about his mindset, and he is a protege of Alex Jones. I notice Jones spends much less time on groups such as "We Are Change" these days.

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks. Feel your collar getting a bit tighter?

Along with several other related matters, such as the Bankster Bail-out Rip-off - the veil has been pierced in multiple places and a little light is beginning to shine through.

This is a cumulative process.

The recognition that JFK was whacked by people within our power structure with the aid and connivance of the CIA.

The growing awareness that FDR not only knew in advance of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor but wanted it to occur so as to create the pretext for entering WWII.

And now the 911 PsyOp which is unraveling. The nice thing about material on the web is that it is downloadable and serves as a written record of what has transpired.

It been a couple of bad years for you bad guys.

Got Rope?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Simple idiocy does not explain the idiotic things he has said and done. No one can be that stupid. And he never admits his mistakes, that I have ever heard or read. He just tries to let it slide and go onto other idiocy.

It's a tough call for sure but given the success of idiotic TV preachers I'm inclined to believe that Jones can actually be that stupid.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:14:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why should you care enough to post this vanity?

I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Alex Jones is bogus.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Kissinger is certainly one of the 5 percenters, a psychopath.

You don't get that high up, without it happening.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC. It is not available outside of secretive military labs in the US and Israel.

So what did the perpetratirs get? They got America to kill, maim and displace millions of peoplr in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we got a few thousand Americans killed on 9-11 and a few more soldieras since then. And they got America to spend a few hundred billion dollars to move the date of our bankruptcy forwatd.

I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support. The recovery of molten material 6 to 8 weeks after the collapses can really only be accounted for by radioactivity. I can think of no other agency capable of generating that much heat that long after the collapses. That along with the still unexplained miraculous collapse of WTC 7 are two of the biggest outpoints in the entire evidence set.

There is no physical agency shown by any of the supporters of the "Official Conspiracy Theory®" that can account for the collapse of WTC 7. NIST had to invent a new physical effect of a fire to try to explain it away. A physical effect laughed at by scientists and engineers outside the U.S..

As well there is no physical agency even mentioned in the FEMA or NIST reports (nor in the Pop Mechanics Straw Piece) that accounts for the molten metal recovered at "Ground Zero" up to 8 weeks after the event.

Also, along with Asbestos, radioactivity would account for the number of lung disease victims among the First Responders and workers at Ground Zero.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support.

That would account for the loud "boom" heard by many people on different buildings.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.

Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped".

It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

3)...How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_aircraft

Principle of Ground Effect

Wingtip vortices are a major cause of induced drag, which refers to any drag created as a side-effect of generating lift. Reducing this form of drag leads to a number of widely-used design considerations found on many aircraft. Gliders, for instance, use very long wings with a high aspect ratio in order to reduce the size of the wingtip in relation to the size of the wing as a whole, thereby reducing the contribution of induced drag. Other aircraft sometimes include winglets or end-plates to actively disrupt the airflow over the tip.

The phenomenon of wing in ground effect is caused by the ground interrupting the wingtip vortices and downwash behind the wing.[3] When a wing is flown very close to the ground, wingtip vortices are unable to form effectively due to the obstruction of the ground. The result is lower induced drag, which increases the speed and lift of the aircraft while it is experiencing the ground effect.

The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome.

No arab monkey could have flown those planes.

They were auto-piloted and flown by another plane with remote control instruments.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped".

It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of.

The 911 "truth" movement has nothing serious to show for it's 8 years of existence.

No new investigation, no indictments, no convictions. Nothing.

That's not psyops, that's the truth.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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