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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
Source: The Obvious
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
Views: 1808
Comments: 182

I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked.  This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary.  After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum.

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything.  It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories.  After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

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Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

Why do you waste our time?

You know the answer.

Why do all of the government shills play the same silly mind games?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

Working for the CIA does not make one want smart.

That is not flattery.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.

When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.

Now, do you have an example of something the "truth" movement has accomplished?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

What's the average IQ of one who works for the CIA?

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do your own research.

Typical cop out. I'm not surprised.

When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research."

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment

DDAM (Drunk Drivers Against Mothers) has killed and injured lots of mothers. THAT is an accomplishment.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do your own research.

Typical cop out. I'm not surprised.

When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research."

You have been given the answers many times.

Quit wasting our time!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.

There have been drinking and driving laws even during the horse and buggy era. MADD fits in well with your own philosophy I'm sure. That the dirty masses need a good regulatin'.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

Good question.

Meester Clean - where is your cubicle located and for which Alphabet Soup Agency do you work?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again...

CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions...

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them.

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers."

They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to.

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfuscation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracy theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You have been given the answers many times.

Quit wasting our time!

Wasting our time is one of his/her functions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again...

CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions...

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them.

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers."

They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to.

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfusuation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracry theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity.

Bookmark this info so you don't have to ask for it again.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oops, just saw a few typos in my comments. Oh well, never claimed to be a great typist... :)

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Standard Disinfo tactics.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That gets paid everytime someone posts to it?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

Typical government shill.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

Oh I'm sure it has as many citizenships as it can possibly obtain and working for a worldwide entity.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That gets paid everytime someone posts to it?

IMO it's just checking the water temp.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

Oh I'm sure it has as many citizenships as it can possibly obtain and working for a worldwide entity.

I am sure many of them have a dual U.S./Israeli passport.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama Warns not to challenge Official 9/11 Story

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That the dirty masses need a good regulatin'.

Absolutely.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

30 Shekels a day.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

Gee, too bad it hasn't amounted to anything eh?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

There you go.

I'm a little surprised that people can't figure out what you're doing here.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

The government always has something to hide but not everything they want to hide is important.

Seems to me, the government is trying to hide a lot more about the health care takeover than 911.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, can you bring me another cup of coffee while you're at it???

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

Or in pieces of silver.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

While I think that is true to an extent, it's not really my point.  My point is that the "truth" movement is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing.  Truthers have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed.  Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

I think its hilarious and demonstrative of the narrow mindedness of the typical Truther.  Anyone who challenges their little belief system must be a government agent or an Israeli.  

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

True.

But IMO the agenda goes deeper than just convincing anyone about 9/11.

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

It's what they did AFTER 9/11 that matters because there is no "conspiracy theory". It happened in broad daylight, nice and "legal".

What I don't like is attaching this to the patriot movement and those that was to see the Constitution restored and lived up to.

It's the minorities that accomplish things. The majority always sleeps.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While I think that is true to an extent, it's not really my point. My point is that the "truth" movement is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing. Truthers have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed. Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

The government fairy tale is going nowhere.

The government and government shills have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed. The official story has been proven to be a HUGE lie. The government has not been able to wiggle out of their exposed lies.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gee, too bad it hasn't amounted to anything eh?

With the news media mute on the topic, or actively ridiculing or ignoring anyone of importance who speaks out concerning 9/11, and active disinformation and propaganda campaigns being utilized against anyone who sees through the BS, along with active disinfo campaigns being employed across any Internet forum that people actually read, it's obvious that it's extraordinarily difficult for something to be done in terms of a new investigation and seeking justice against those actually involved not just in the events of 9/11, but those who have ordered and perpetrated the ongoing coverup.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

I think the "truth" movement is not much of a stumbling block at all because nobody takes them seriously. Alex Jones is the most visible Truther and he's a complete fool.

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With the news media mute on the topic, or actively ridiculing or ignoring anyone of importance who speaks out concerning 9/11, and active disinformation and propaganda campaigns being utilized against anyone who sees through the BS, along with active disinfo campaigns being employed across any Internet forum that people actually read, it's obvious that it's extraordinarily difficult for something to be done in terms of a new investigation and seeking justice against those actually involved not just in the events of 9/11, but those who have ordered and perpetrated the ongoing coverup.

Excuse making is so unattractive.

Don't you think the number of morons that populate the "truth" movement have proven detrimental to it?

Really, has Alex Jones been of any help to you?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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