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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
Source: The Obvious
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
Views: 1855
Comments: 182

I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked.  This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary.  After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum.

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything.  It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories.  After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

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#28. To: Mister Clean, CadetD, ratcat, christine, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#0)

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Hi there Mr. PsyOpbot.

Actually what you are trying to do is help drive a stake into the heart of 911 Truth.

Yes there is a lot of disinfo out there, false trails, and covert operators, such as Alex Jones, trying to mislead and sap the strength of the growing opposition to the incipient tyranny your masters wish to impose. Actually you make me wonder if "Loose Change" was not part of the PsyOp Matrix - to provide a debunkable film that, while mostly true, included just enough bad info to discredit the entire concept by association. Jason Bermas "anti-anti-zionist" outburst was very revealing about his mindset, and he is a protege of Alex Jones. I notice Jones spends much less time on groups such as "We Are Change" these days.

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks. Feel your collar getting a bit tighter?

Along with several other related matters, such as the Bankster Bail-out Rip-off - the veil has been pierced in multiple places and a little light is beginning to shine through.

This is a cumulative process.

The recognition that JFK was whacked by people within our power structure with the aid and connivance of the CIA.

The growing awareness that FDR not only knew in advance of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor but wanted it to occur so as to create the pretext for entering WWII.

And now the 911 PsyOp which is unraveling. The nice thing about material on the web is that it is downloadable and serves as a written record of what has transpired.

It been a couple of bad years for you bad guys.

Got Rope?

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:13:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:19:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

Nothing is more important than the 911 truth.

You are threatened by the truth baldie, and it shows.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:45:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing is more important than the 911 truth.

Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

You mean after 8 years the "truth" movement still hasn't woken up enough people?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:57:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government - as acknowledged by the FBI itself - has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence?

2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours - without even a crime scene investigation?

3) How come none of the 19's names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines?

4) How come eight names on the "original" FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries?

5) Why would pious jihadi Mohamed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission?

6) Why did Mohamed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases?

7) How could Mohammed Atta's passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)'s debris when not a single flight recorder was found?

8) Who is in the possession of the "disappeared" eight indestructible black boxes on those four flights?

9) Considering multiple international red alerts about a possible terrorist attack inside the US - including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice's infamous August 6, 2001, memo - how come four hijacked planes deviating from their computerized flight paths and disappearing from radar are allowed to fly around US airspace for more than an hour and a half - not to mention disabling all the elaborate Pentagon's defense systems in the process?

10) Why the secretary of the US Air Force James Roche did not try to intercept both planes hitting the WTC (only seven minutes away from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey) as well as the Pentagon (only 10 minutes away from McGuire)? Roche had no less than 75 minutes to respond to the plane hitting the Pentagon. 11) Why did George W Bush continue to recite "My Pet Goat" in his Florida school and was not instantly absconded by the secret service?

12) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live - as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge - or is he psychic?

13) Bush said that he and Andrew Card initially thought the first hit on the WTC was an accident with a small plane. How is that possible when the FAA as well as NORAD already knew this was about a hijacked plane?

14) What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and no one scrambles to contact the Pentagon or the media?

15) Could defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld explain why initial media reports said that there were no fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base and then change the reports that there were, but not on high alert?

16) Why was the DC Air National Guard in Washington AWOL on 9/11?

17) Why did combat jet fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey not intercept the second hijacked plane hitting the WTC, when they could have done it within seven minutes?

18) Why did none of the combat jet fighters of the 459th Aircraft Squadron at Andrews Air Force Base intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon, only 16 kilometers away? And since we're at it, why the Pentagon did not release the full video of the hit?

19) A number of very experienced airline pilots - including US ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former fighter jet pilot - revealed that, well, only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. Is it remotely believable that the hijackers were up to the task?

20) How come a substantial number of witnesses did swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC?

21) How come a substantial number of reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the official narrative simply does not explain the largest structural collapse in recorded history (the Twin Towers) as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet?

22) According to Frank de Martini, WTC's construction manager, "We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners." The second plane nearly missed tower 1; most of the fuel burned in an explosion outside the tower. Yet this tower collapsed first, long before tower 2 that was "perforated" by the first hit. Jet fuel burned up fast - and by far did not reach the 2000-degree heat necessary to hurt the six tubular steel columns in the center of the tower - designed specifically to keep the towers from collapsing even if hit by a Boeing 707. A Boeing 707 used to carry more fuel than the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 that actually hit the towers.

23) Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling?

24) Why was metallic debris found no less than 13 kilometers from the crash site of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? Was the plane in fact shot down - under vice president Dick Cheney's orders?

25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s-planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries).

26) What is former Unocal lobbyist and former Bush pet Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad up to in Afghanistan?

27) How come former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Niak said in mid-July 2001 that the US had already decided to strike against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October? The topic was discussed secretly at the July Group of Eight summit in Genoa, Italy, according to Pakistani diplomats.

28) How come US ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine told FBI agent John O'Neill in July 2001 to stop investigating al-Qaeda's financial operations - with O'Neill instantly moved to a security job at the WTC, where he died on 9/11?

29) Considering the very intimate relationship between the Taliban and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and the ISI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), is Bin Laden alive, dead or still a valuable asset of the ISI, the CIA or both?

30) Was Bin Laden admitted at the American hospital in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on July 4, 2001, after flying from Quetta, Pakistan, and staying for treatment until July 11?

31) Did the Bin Laden group build the caves of Tora Bora in close cooperation with the CIA during the 1980s' anti-Soviet jihad?

32) How come General Tommy Franks knew for sure that Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora in late November 2001?

33) Why did president Bill Clinton abort a hit on Bin Laden in October 1999? Why did then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf abort a covert ops in the same date? And why did Musharraf do the same thing again in August 2001?

34) Why did George W Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force nine months before 9/11?

35) How come the (fake) Bin Laden home video - in which he "confesses" to being the perpetrator of 9/11 - released by the US on December 13, 2001, was found only two weeks after it was produced (on November 9); was it really found in Jalalabad (considering Northern Alliance and US troops had not even arrived there at the time); by whom; and how come the Pentagon was forced to release a new translation after the first (botched) one?

36) Why was ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmad abruptly "retired" on October 8, 2001, the day the US started bombing Afghanistan?

37) What was Ahmad up to in Washington exactly on the week of 9/11 (he arrived on September 4)? On the morning of 9/11, Ahmad was having breakfast on Capitol Hill with Bob Graham and Porter Goss, both later part of the 9/11 Commission, which simply refused to investigate two of its members. Ahmad had breakfast with Richard Armitage of the State Department on September 12 and 13 (when Pakistan negotiated its "cooperation" with the "war on terror") and met all the CIA and Pentagon top brass. On September 13, Musharraf announced he would send Ahmad to Afghanistan to demand to the Taliban the extradition of Bin Laden. 38) Who inside the ISI transferred US$100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001 - under orders of Ahmad himself, as Indian intelligence insists? Was it really ISI asset Omar Sheikh, Bin Laden's information technology specialist who later organized the slaying of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi? So was the ISI directly linked to 9/11?

39) Did the FBI investigate the two shady characters who met Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in New York City on September 8, 2001?

40) What did director of Asian affairs at the State Department Christina Rocca and the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef discuss in their meeting in Islamabad in August 2001?

41) Did Washington know in advance that an "al-Qaeda" connection would kill Afghan nationalist commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka "The Lion of the Panjshir", only two days before 9/11? Massoud was fighting the Taliban and al- Qaeda - helped by Russia and Iran. According to the Northern Alliance, Massoud was killed by an ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda axis. If still alive, he would never have allowed the US to rig a loya jirga (grand council) in Afghanistan and install a puppet, former CIA asset Hamid Karzai, as leader of the country.

42) Why did it take no less than four months before the name of Ramzi Binalshibh surfaced in the 9/11 context, considering the Yemeni was a roommate of Mohammed Atta in his apartment cell in Hamburg?

43) Is pathetic shoe-bomber Richard Reid an ISI asset?

44) Did then-Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence tell the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions?

45) When did the head of German intelligence, August Hanning, tell the CIA that terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft?"

46) When did Egyptian President Mubarak tell the CIA about an attack on the US with an "airplane stuffed with explosives?"

47) When did Israel's Mossad director Efraim Halevy tell the CIA about a possible attack on the US by "200 terrorists?"

48) Were the Taliban aware of the warning by a Bush administration official as early as February 2001 - "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs?"

49) Has Northrop-Grumman used Global Hawk technology - which allows to remotely control unmanned planes - in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001? Did it install Global Hawk in a commercial plane? Is Global Hawk available at all for commercial planes?

50) Would Cheney stand up and volunteer the detailed timeline of what he was really up to during the whole day on 9/11?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:59:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS

"So the question is: Were WTC 1,2 & 7 brought down by explosives or by fire as the official government report says? Well, we know that the buildings came down in approx. 12 seconds (WTC 1 & 2) and 6 seconds (WTC 7) which is basically free fall speeds. We also know that no steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire with exceptions of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Hmm, three buidings in one day that defy the laws of physics and spontaneously collapse due to fire. I don't think so! Check out the comparison between a professional demolition and WTC buildings. Do you notice any similarities?"

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

WTC 7 Free Fall Collapse

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:04:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:05:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:06:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Name them!

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:49:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

There you go.

I'm a little surprised that people can't figure out what you're doing here.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:33:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

While I think that is true to an extent, it's not really my point.  My point is that the "truth" movement is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing.  Truthers have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed.  Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

I think its hilarious and demonstrative of the narrow mindedness of the typical Truther.  Anyone who challenges their little belief system must be a government agent or an Israeli.  

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:42:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

True.

But IMO the agenda goes deeper than just convincing anyone about 9/11.

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

It's what they did AFTER 9/11 that matters because there is no "conspiracy theory". It happened in broad daylight, nice and "legal".

What I don't like is attaching this to the patriot movement and those that was to see the Constitution restored and lived up to.

It's the minorities that accomplish things. The majority always sleeps.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:52:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

I think the "truth" movement is not much of a stumbling block at all because nobody takes them seriously. Alex Jones is the most visible Truther and he's a complete fool.

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:00:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the "truth" movement is not much of a stumbling block at all because nobody takes them seriously. Alex Jones is the most visible Truther and he's a complete fool.

That's why I wrote that I didn't like to link this to the patriot movement. It's the patriots that will change things, not truthers. Being linked to the truthers makes the patriots look like fools to the people that are needed as allies. Thank you ALex Jones, you worthless fucking zionist rat bastard.

At least we got to see him shoot himself in the foot this week.

I include myself in the "truther" label too. It's just not that important to me. It's what happened shortly afterward that pisses me off to no end.

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

I think that's part of it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   15:08:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's the patriots that will change things, not truthers.

If you think America is going to get back to Constitutional basics I suggest you rethink that.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:12:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So our drift into further socialism will not meet with resistance when the economic House of Cards collapses? Perhaps in your world that's realistic, but not mine.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   15:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So our drift into further socialism will not meet with resistance when the economic House of Cards collapses?

Sure there will be resistance but there will not be a return to Constitutional basics here. The "empire" will fall but domestically it will remain largely intact.

Look, the US is full of parasites who think the government should provide them with everything. They're not going away. They vote.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:22:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Look, the US is full of parasites who think the government should provide them with everything. They're not going away. They vote. They'll die.

Fixed. Parasites depend on the host. The host will be dead.

They will be lost without Uncle Sugar. No more welfare. No more Mickey D's, No more Jack-in-the-crack. No more Popeyes. And, this will hurt me, no more White Castles.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   15:30:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They will be lost without Uncle Sugar. No more welfare. No more Mickey D's, No more Jack-in-the-crack. No more Popeyes. And, this will hurt me, no more White Castles.

That's about how it will play out. If they need gov, and gov can't give they will perish.

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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