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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
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URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
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I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked. This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary. After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum. The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead. Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays. The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.
Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.
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#31. To: mininggold (#18)
I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!
Alex Jones is bogus.
You don't get that high up, without it happening.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories. What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality. The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.
So what did the perpetratirs get? They got America to kill, maim and displace millions of peoplr in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we got a few thousand Americans killed on 9-11 and a few more soldieras since then. And they got America to spend a few hundred billion dollars to move the date of our bankruptcy forwatd. I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support. The recovery of molten material 6 to 8 weeks after the collapses can really only be accounted for by radioactivity. I can think of no other agency capable of generating that much heat that long after the collapses. That along with the still unexplained miraculous collapse of WTC 7 are two of the biggest outpoints in the entire evidence set. There is no physical agency shown by any of the supporters of the "Official Conspiracy Theory®" that can account for the collapse of WTC 7. NIST had to invent a new physical effect of a fire to try to explain it away. A physical effect laughed at by scientists and engineers outside the U.S.. As well there is no physical agency even mentioned in the FEMA or NIST reports (nor in the Pop Mechanics Straw Piece) that accounts for the molten metal recovered at "Ground Zero" up to 8 weeks after the event. Also, along with Asbestos, radioactivity would account for the number of lung disease victims among the First Responders and workers at Ground Zero.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support. That would account for the loud "boom" heard by many people on different buildings.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories. What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality. The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere. Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped". It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_aircraft Principle of Ground Effect Wingtip vortices are a major cause of induced drag, which refers to any drag created as a side-effect of generating lift. Reducing this form of drag leads to a number of widely-used design considerations found on many aircraft. Gliders, for instance, use very long wings with a high aspect ratio in order to reduce the size of the wingtip in relation to the size of the wing as a whole, thereby reducing the contribution of induced drag. Other aircraft sometimes include winglets or end-plates to actively disrupt the airflow over the tip. The phenomenon of wing in ground effect is caused by the ground interrupting the wingtip vortices and downwash behind the wing.[3] When a wing is flown very close to the ground, wingtip vortices are unable to form effectively due to the obstruction of the ground. The result is lower induced drag, which increases the speed and lift of the aircraft while it is experiencing the ground effect. The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome. .
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No arab monkey could have flown those planes. They were auto-piloted and flown by another plane with remote control instruments.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of. The 911 "truth" movement has nothing serious to show for it's 8 years of existence. No new investigation, no indictments, no convictions. Nothing. That's not psyops, that's the truth.
Then you should be trying to get the investigation reopened. After all another building fell that was barely mentioned. The original investigation was incomplete at best. If you are right.... what's there to lose?
That would account for the loud "boom" heard by many people on different buildings. Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced. The accumulating evidence of both eyewitness accounts, and the observed physical phenomena points strongly in that direction. To accomplish that much damage would have required tons, literally, of explosives. Not that conventional explosives and thermate were not used as well - after all to bring down structures as well built and reinforced with a massive steel structure in the very short time period it took requires the expenditure of a lot of energy, and we do know from leaks and rumors that the technology exists to make a nuke that will literally fit in a briefcase.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
What you, Mister Clean don't realize is that you live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality. You are a zombie. You're not going anywhere.
NOTHING will satisfy the Truthers. Truthers live to whine, criticize, lecture, scold, protest and complain.
I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think. That after the other attempt they built basements and subbasements underneath the buildings. They would have to have had some kind of clearance to get into those rooms.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
Our system demands it, however the end is nigh, it will be tossed on the trash heap of history along with the worthless and ineffectual instrument of the original coup d'état, the constitution.
What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years? Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?"
Truthers live to whine, criticize, lecture, scold, protest and complain. Aren't you interested yourself in why the last building to fall was barely mentioned and certainly not investigated. No curiosity on your part, if only to try to prevent this mishap from occurring in other buildings?
Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?" video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197# video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
Nothing is more important than the 911 truth. You are threatened by the truth baldie, and it shows.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
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The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie 911Truth.org ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement
The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts 911Truth.o rg ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement
Wow! The "truth" movement has produced 3 Internet videos!
Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?" What have you accomplished in 8 years? Besides posting "disinformation"?
Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77 By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001
Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?
Well if saying that the "truth" movement has nothing to show after 8 years is disinfo, why don't you list all of the movement's accomplishments?
Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11
Alex Jones? Just seeing that name makes me laugh.
Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?
You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.
You mean after 8 years the "truth" movement still hasn't woken up enough people?
The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world. The paid government dis-info shills have been exposed and are running scared.
1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government - as acknowledged by the FBI itself - has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence? 2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours - without even a crime scene investigation? 3) How come none of the 19's names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines? 4) How come eight names on the "original" FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries? 5) Why would pious jihadi Mohamed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission? 6) Why did Mohamed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases? 7) How could Mohammed Atta's passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)'s debris when not a single flight recorder was found? 8) Who is in the possession of the "disappeared" eight indestructible black boxes on those four flights? 9) Considering multiple international red alerts about a possible terrorist attack inside the US - including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice's infamous August 6, 2001, memo - how come four hijacked planes deviating from their computerized flight paths and disappearing from radar are allowed to fly around US airspace for more than an hour and a half - not to mention disabling all the elaborate Pentagon's defense systems in the process? 10) Why the secretary of the US Air Force James Roche did not try to intercept both planes hitting the WTC (only seven minutes away from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey) as well as the Pentagon (only 10 minutes away from McGuire)? Roche had no less than 75 minutes to respond to the plane hitting the Pentagon. 11) Why did George W Bush continue to recite "My Pet Goat" in his Florida school and was not instantly absconded by the secret service? 12) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live - as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge - or is he psychic? 13) Bush said that he and Andrew Card initially thought the first hit on the WTC was an accident with a small plane. How is that possible when the FAA as well as NORAD already knew this was about a hijacked plane? 14) What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and no one scrambles to contact the Pentagon or the media? 15) Could defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld explain why initial media reports said that there were no fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base and then change the reports that there were, but not on high alert? 16) Why was the DC Air National Guard in Washington AWOL on 9/11? 17) Why did combat jet fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey not intercept the second hijacked plane hitting the WTC, when they could have done it within seven minutes? 18) Why did none of the combat jet fighters of the 459th Aircraft Squadron at Andrews Air Force Base intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon, only 16 kilometers away? And since we're at it, why the Pentagon did not release the full video of the hit? 19) A number of very experienced airline pilots - including US ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former fighter jet pilot - revealed that, well, only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. Is it remotely believable that the hijackers were up to the task? 20) How come a substantial number of witnesses did swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC? 21) How come a substantial number of reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the official narrative simply does not explain the largest structural collapse in recorded history (the Twin Towers) as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet? 22) According to Frank de Martini, WTC's construction manager, "We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners." The second plane nearly missed tower 1; most of the fuel burned in an explosion outside the tower. Yet this tower collapsed first, long before tower 2 that was "perforated" by the first hit. Jet fuel burned up fast - and by far did not reach the 2000-degree heat necessary to hurt the six tubular steel columns in the center of the tower - designed specifically to keep the towers from collapsing even if hit by a Boeing 707. A Boeing 707 used to carry more fuel than the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 that actually hit the towers. 23) Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling? 24) Why was metallic debris found no less than 13 kilometers from the crash site of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? Was the plane in fact shot down - under vice president Dick Cheney's orders? 25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s-planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries). 26) What is former Unocal lobbyist and former Bush pet Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad up to in Afghanistan? 27) How come former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Niak said in mid-July 2001 that the US had already decided to strike against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October? The topic was discussed secretly at the July Group of Eight summit in Genoa, Italy, according to Pakistani diplomats. 28) How come US ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine told FBI agent John O'Neill in July 2001 to stop investigating al-Qaeda's financial operations - with O'Neill instantly moved to a security job at the WTC, where he died on 9/11? 29) Considering the very intimate relationship between the Taliban and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and the ISI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), is Bin Laden alive, dead or still a valuable asset of the ISI, the CIA or both? 30) Was Bin Laden admitted at the American hospital in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on July 4, 2001, after flying from Quetta, Pakistan, and staying for treatment until July 11? 31) Did the Bin Laden group build the caves of Tora Bora in close cooperation with the CIA during the 1980s' anti-Soviet jihad? 32) How come General Tommy Franks knew for sure that Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora in late November 2001? 33) Why did president Bill Clinton abort a hit on Bin Laden in October 1999? Why did then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf abort a covert ops in the same date? And why did Musharraf do the same thing again in August 2001? 34) Why did George W Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force nine months before 9/11? 35) How come the (fake) Bin Laden home video - in which he "confesses" to being the perpetrator of 9/11 - released by the US on December 13, 2001, was found only two weeks after it was produced (on November 9); was it really found in Jalalabad (considering Northern Alliance and US troops had not even arrived there at the time); by whom; and how come the Pentagon was forced to release a new translation after the first (botched) one? 36) Why was ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmad abruptly "retired" on October 8, 2001, the day the US started bombing Afghanistan? 37) What was Ahmad up to in Washington exactly on the week of 9/11 (he arrived on September 4)? On the morning of 9/11, Ahmad was having breakfast on Capitol Hill with Bob Graham and Porter Goss, both later part of the 9/11 Commission, which simply refused to investigate two of its members. Ahmad had breakfast with Richard Armitage of the State Department on September 12 and 13 (when Pakistan negotiated its "cooperation" with the "war on terror") and met all the CIA and Pentagon top brass. On September 13, Musharraf announced he would send Ahmad to Afghanistan to demand to the Taliban the extradition of Bin Laden. 38) Who inside the ISI transferred US$100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001 - under orders of Ahmad himself, as Indian intelligence insists? Was it really ISI asset Omar Sheikh, Bin Laden's information technology specialist who later organized the slaying of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi? So was the ISI directly linked to 9/11? 39) Did the FBI investigate the two shady characters who met Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in New York City on September 8, 2001? 40) What did director of Asian affairs at the State Department Christina Rocca and the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef discuss in their meeting in Islamabad in August 2001? 41) Did Washington know in advance that an "al-Qaeda" connection would kill Afghan nationalist commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka "The Lion of the Panjshir", only two days before 9/11? Massoud was fighting the Taliban and al- Qaeda - helped by Russia and Iran. According to the Northern Alliance, Massoud was killed by an ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda axis. If still alive, he would never have allowed the US to rig a loya jirga (grand council) in Afghanistan and install a puppet, former CIA asset Hamid Karzai, as leader of the country. 42) Why did it take no less than four months before the name of Ramzi Binalshibh surfaced in the 9/11 context, considering the Yemeni was a roommate of Mohammed Atta in his apartment cell in Hamburg? 43) Is pathetic shoe-bomber Richard Reid an ISI asset? 44) Did then-Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence tell the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions? 45) When did the head of German intelligence, August Hanning, tell the CIA that terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft?" 46) When did Egyptian President Mubarak tell the CIA about an attack on the US with an "airplane stuffed with explosives?" 47) When did Israel's Mossad director Efraim Halevy tell the CIA about a possible attack on the US by "200 terrorists?" 48) Were the Taliban aware of the warning by a Bush administration official as early as February 2001 - "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs?" 49) Has Northrop-Grumman used Global Hawk technology - which allows to remotely control unmanned planes - in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001? Did it install Global Hawk in a commercial plane? Is Global Hawk available at all for commercial planes? 50) Would Cheney stand up and volunteer the detailed timeline of what he was really up to during the whole day on 9/11?
And what is there to show for it?
The government 911 coverup is a joke and has failed. All those involved in the coverup will be held accountable.
"So the question is: Were WTC 1,2 & 7 brought down by explosives or by fire as the official government report says? Well, we know that the buildings came down in approx. 12 seconds (WTC 1 & 2) and 6 seconds (WTC 7) which is basically free fall speeds. We also know that no steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire with exceptions of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Hmm, three buidings in one day that defy the laws of physics and spontaneously collapse due to fire. I don't think so! Check out the comparison between a professional demolition and WTC buildings. Do you notice any similarities?"
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThen why should you care enough to post this vanity?
#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#26)
Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus
#33. To: Lysander_Spooner (#22)
Kissinger is certainly one of the 5 percenters, a psychopath.
#34. To: Original_Intent (#28)
However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.
#35. To: Horse, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#5)
Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC. It is not available outside of secretive military labs in the US and Israel.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#35)
#37. To: Mister Clean (#34)
However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.
#38. To: TwentyTwelve, all (#27)
3)...How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? ...
#39. To: PSUSA (#38)
The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome.
#40. To: Original_Intent (#37)
Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped".
#41. To: Mister Clean (#31)
I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!
#42. To: Clitora (#36)
I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support.
#43. To: Mister Clean, Original_Intent (#37)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#44. To: mininggold (#41)
Then you should be trying to get the investigation reopened.
#45. To: Original_Intent (#42)
Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.
#46. To: Clitora (#33)
You don't get that high up, without it happening
#47. To: wudidiz (#43)
You are a zombie.
#48. To: Mister Clean (#44)
NOTHING will satisfy the Truthers.
#49. To: Mister Clean (#47)
What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years?
#50. To: Mister Clean (#34)
That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.
#51. To: mininggold (#48)
Aren't you interested yourself in why the last building to fall was barely mentioned and certainly not investigated. No curiosity on your part, if only to try to prevent this mishap from occurring in other buildings?
#52. To: Mister Clean (#0)
... www.911truth.org, so long as the full source URL (">http://www.911truth.
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 - 47k - Jan 23, 2007 -
#53. To: Mister Clean (#0)
ACTIVISM RESOURCES. What's happening in US Legislature? Text of bills, roll call votes, full information at www.thomas.gov ...
www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242 - 38k -
#54. To: Clitora (#49)
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197# video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
#55. To: Mister Clean (#47)
What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years?
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#56. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77. By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D. I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, ...
www.physics911.net/olmsted - 22k -
#57. To: Clitora (#50)
Nothing is more important than the 911 truth.
#58. To: wudidiz (#55)
Besides posting "disinformation"?
#59. To: Mister Clean (#0)
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#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#59)
Alex Jones Discusses 9/11 Wargames
#61. To: Mister Clean (#31)
I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: All (#58)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#63. To: Mister Clean (#57)
Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?
#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)
Do you still believe the world is flat?
#65. To: Clitora (#63)
You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.
#66. To: Mister Clean (#54)
Wow! The "truth" movement has produced 3 Internet videos!
#67. To: All (#65)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#66)
The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world.
#69. To: Mister Clean (#64)
I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.
#70. To: All (#67)
COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#71. To: All (#70)
9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
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