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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
Source: The Obvious
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
Views: 2087
Comments: 182

I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked.  This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary.  After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum.

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything.  It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories.  After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

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#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#59)

Alex Jones Discusses 9/11 Wargames

Alex Jones?

Just seeing that name makes me laugh.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Mister Clean (#31)

I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!

Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: All (#58)


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Mister Clean (#57)

Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker (#61)

Do you still believe the world is flat?

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Clitora (#63)

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

You mean after 8 years the "truth" movement still hasn't woken up enough people?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Mister Clean (#54)

Wow! The "truth" movement has produced 3 Internet videos!

The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world.

The paid government dis-info shills have been exposed and are running scared.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: All (#65)

1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government - as acknowledged by the FBI itself - has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence?

2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours - without even a crime scene investigation?

3) How come none of the 19's names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines?

4) How come eight names on the "original" FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries?

5) Why would pious jihadi Mohamed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission?

6) Why did Mohamed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases?

7) How could Mohammed Atta's passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)'s debris when not a single flight recorder was found?

8) Who is in the possession of the "disappeared" eight indestructible black boxes on those four flights?

9) Considering multiple international red alerts about a possible terrorist attack inside the US - including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice's infamous August 6, 2001, memo - how come four hijacked planes deviating from their computerized flight paths and disappearing from radar are allowed to fly around US airspace for more than an hour and a half - not to mention disabling all the elaborate Pentagon's defense systems in the process?

10) Why the secretary of the US Air Force James Roche did not try to intercept both planes hitting the WTC (only seven minutes away from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey) as well as the Pentagon (only 10 minutes away from McGuire)? Roche had no less than 75 minutes to respond to the plane hitting the Pentagon. 11) Why did George W Bush continue to recite "My Pet Goat" in his Florida school and was not instantly absconded by the secret service?

12) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live - as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge - or is he psychic?

13) Bush said that he and Andrew Card initially thought the first hit on the WTC was an accident with a small plane. How is that possible when the FAA as well as NORAD already knew this was about a hijacked plane?

14) What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and no one scrambles to contact the Pentagon or the media?

15) Could defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld explain why initial media reports said that there were no fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base and then change the reports that there were, but not on high alert?

16) Why was the DC Air National Guard in Washington AWOL on 9/11?

17) Why did combat jet fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey not intercept the second hijacked plane hitting the WTC, when they could have done it within seven minutes?

18) Why did none of the combat jet fighters of the 459th Aircraft Squadron at Andrews Air Force Base intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon, only 16 kilometers away? And since we're at it, why the Pentagon did not release the full video of the hit?

19) A number of very experienced airline pilots - including US ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former fighter jet pilot - revealed that, well, only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. Is it remotely believable that the hijackers were up to the task?

20) How come a substantial number of witnesses did swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC?

21) How come a substantial number of reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the official narrative simply does not explain the largest structural collapse in recorded history (the Twin Towers) as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet?

22) According to Frank de Martini, WTC's construction manager, "We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners." The second plane nearly missed tower 1; most of the fuel burned in an explosion outside the tower. Yet this tower collapsed first, long before tower 2 that was "perforated" by the first hit. Jet fuel burned up fast - and by far did not reach the 2000-degree heat necessary to hurt the six tubular steel columns in the center of the tower - designed specifically to keep the towers from collapsing even if hit by a Boeing 707. A Boeing 707 used to carry more fuel than the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 that actually hit the towers.

23) Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling?

24) Why was metallic debris found no less than 13 kilometers from the crash site of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? Was the plane in fact shot down - under vice president Dick Cheney's orders?

25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s-planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries).

26) What is former Unocal lobbyist and former Bush pet Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad up to in Afghanistan?

27) How come former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Niak said in mid-July 2001 that the US had already decided to strike against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October? The topic was discussed secretly at the July Group of Eight summit in Genoa, Italy, according to Pakistani diplomats.

28) How come US ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine told FBI agent John O'Neill in July 2001 to stop investigating al-Qaeda's financial operations - with O'Neill instantly moved to a security job at the WTC, where he died on 9/11?

29) Considering the very intimate relationship between the Taliban and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and the ISI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), is Bin Laden alive, dead or still a valuable asset of the ISI, the CIA or both?

30) Was Bin Laden admitted at the American hospital in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on July 4, 2001, after flying from Quetta, Pakistan, and staying for treatment until July 11?

31) Did the Bin Laden group build the caves of Tora Bora in close cooperation with the CIA during the 1980s' anti-Soviet jihad?

32) How come General Tommy Franks knew for sure that Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora in late November 2001?

33) Why did president Bill Clinton abort a hit on Bin Laden in October 1999? Why did then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf abort a covert ops in the same date? And why did Musharraf do the same thing again in August 2001?

34) Why did George W Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force nine months before 9/11?

35) How come the (fake) Bin Laden home video - in which he "confesses" to being the perpetrator of 9/11 - released by the US on December 13, 2001, was found only two weeks after it was produced (on November 9); was it really found in Jalalabad (considering Northern Alliance and US troops had not even arrived there at the time); by whom; and how come the Pentagon was forced to release a new translation after the first (botched) one?

36) Why was ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmad abruptly "retired" on October 8, 2001, the day the US started bombing Afghanistan?

37) What was Ahmad up to in Washington exactly on the week of 9/11 (he arrived on September 4)? On the morning of 9/11, Ahmad was having breakfast on Capitol Hill with Bob Graham and Porter Goss, both later part of the 9/11 Commission, which simply refused to investigate two of its members. Ahmad had breakfast with Richard Armitage of the State Department on September 12 and 13 (when Pakistan negotiated its "cooperation" with the "war on terror") and met all the CIA and Pentagon top brass. On September 13, Musharraf announced he would send Ahmad to Afghanistan to demand to the Taliban the extradition of Bin Laden. 38) Who inside the ISI transferred US$100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001 - under orders of Ahmad himself, as Indian intelligence insists? Was it really ISI asset Omar Sheikh, Bin Laden's information technology specialist who later organized the slaying of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi? So was the ISI directly linked to 9/11?

39) Did the FBI investigate the two shady characters who met Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in New York City on September 8, 2001?

40) What did director of Asian affairs at the State Department Christina Rocca and the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef discuss in their meeting in Islamabad in August 2001?

41) Did Washington know in advance that an "al-Qaeda" connection would kill Afghan nationalist commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka "The Lion of the Panjshir", only two days before 9/11? Massoud was fighting the Taliban and al- Qaeda - helped by Russia and Iran. According to the Northern Alliance, Massoud was killed by an ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda axis. If still alive, he would never have allowed the US to rig a loya jirga (grand council) in Afghanistan and install a puppet, former CIA asset Hamid Karzai, as leader of the country.

42) Why did it take no less than four months before the name of Ramzi Binalshibh surfaced in the 9/11 context, considering the Yemeni was a roommate of Mohammed Atta in his apartment cell in Hamburg?

43) Is pathetic shoe-bomber Richard Reid an ISI asset?

44) Did then-Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence tell the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions?

45) When did the head of German intelligence, August Hanning, tell the CIA that terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft?"

46) When did Egyptian President Mubarak tell the CIA about an attack on the US with an "airplane stuffed with explosives?"

47) When did Israel's Mossad director Efraim Halevy tell the CIA about a possible attack on the US by "200 terrorists?"

48) Were the Taliban aware of the warning by a Bush administration official as early as February 2001 - "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs?"

49) Has Northrop-Grumman used Global Hawk technology - which allows to remotely control unmanned planes - in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001? Did it install Global Hawk in a commercial plane? Is Global Hawk available at all for commercial planes?

50) Would Cheney stand up and volunteer the detailed timeline of what he was really up to during the whole day on 9/11?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: TwentyTwelve (#66)

The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world.

And what is there to show for it?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Mister Clean (#64)

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

The government 911 coverup is a joke and has failed.

All those involved in the coverup will be held accountable.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: All (#67)

COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS

"So the question is: Were WTC 1,2 & 7 brought down by explosives or by fire as the official government report says? Well, we know that the buildings came down in approx. 12 seconds (WTC 1 & 2) and 6 seconds (WTC 7) which is basically free fall speeds. We also know that no steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire with exceptions of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Hmm, three buidings in one day that defy the laws of physics and spontaneously collapse due to fire. I don't think so! Check out the comparison between a professional demolition and WTC buildings. Do you notice any similarities?"


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: All (#70)

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Mister Clean (#64)

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack...

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames ...
www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.h tm - 48k - Cached< /a> - Similar pages

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#71)

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: TwentyTwelve (#69)

All those involved in the coverup will be held accountable.

How many more people do you guys need to "wake up" to get a single conviction?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Mister Clean (#64)

I suppose the US government wants us to believe that 300,000 pounds of aircraft parts collided with over 13 million tons of steel (a weight estimate of 7 world trade center floors) and 14,000 cubic feet of concrete (estimate) and that a paper passport navigated it's way through all of that including an explosion that was at least 100 yards in diameter (estimate) to land safely on top of the rubble below?

Get real.

And if that were even possible, you would think the chances of it happening were once in a lifetime, right? Well how about twice?

You may remember that after the planes hit the World Trade Center towers--an epic disaster that melted structural steel designed to withstand a Hellish temperature of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, incinerated both planes? cockpit recorders and black-box recorders, and vaporized the flesh and bones of nearly 3,000 human beings--the passport of suspected hijacker Mohammed Atta was found intact, in pristine condition, lying on the sidewalk below.

Well, guess what. It happened again. I am not kidding. Both CBS News and the Associated Press are reporting that the passport of another hijacker, one Satam al-Sugami, floated down to Earth along with Mohammed Atta's passport. And not just a charred piece of a passport but , like the other passort, it was IN PRISTINE CONDITION.

Here's the original link (before it was removed:

http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=42069

Taken from: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=43653

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: All (#73)

WTC 7 Free Fall Collapse


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: All (#76)

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz (#77)

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Clitora (#45)

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Mister Clean (#64)

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking?

Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air?

Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   13:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mister Clean, wudidiz, all (#78)

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

9/11 Conf. Irvine, CA 3/11/07 : William Rodriguez,

we shot these down at the Irvine conference in March...
produced by: Orange County 9/11 Truth & Justice....

our blog:
http:hb911truth.blogspot.com blockquote>

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Mister Clean (#78)

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments.

Do you disagree?

How do you define 'accomplishment'?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

www.jonesreport.com/artic...06_rodriguez_spanish.html

William Rodriguez Gets Cover story of New York's Largest Spanish Newspaper

The Key of Rescue- William Rodriguez, The Latin face of 9/11 Special Series.

William Rodriguez, last man out of the North Tower and key activist for the rights of the victims of 9/11, was portrayed on the cover story of El Diario. With a 3 page article, El Diario presented the fight and expectations of William Rodriguez, those themes includes his rescue effort on 9/11, the search for the truth and his political strategy in case if he decides to run for office. Rodriguez's story, well known in Latin America and all over the world, has been mainly suppressed in the USA. His followers are pushing him to run for elective office but he says that he is to busy bringing his mission all over the world. On the article, the reporter noted how he has been fielding interviews from all over the globe and expect to reach an audience of more than 300 million people in televised and live presentations on the 9/11 Anniversary.

Also this Thursday, he will be appearing on a TV special on Univision Network top rated news magazine " Aqui y ahora" ( Here and Now- 30 million viewers) at 10pm. He will talk about his views on what really happened on 9/11 and a panel of government expert will be interviewed to contradict his experiences.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Original_Intent (#79)

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

Thanks. Saw him on zeitgeist.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   13:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FormerLurker, Mr. Clean (#61)

Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?

Mr Clean is at best intellectually incurious. And is probably posting from a Goldman-Sachs office. lolol

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: FormerLurker (#80)

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Hundreds?  Is there a list so I can count the names?

Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking?

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air?

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking?

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job?  Did they suggest anything close to that?  No, they didn't.  They are not "truthers."

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

Welcome to William Rodriguez's Website

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:47:50 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Original_Intent (#81)

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Name them!

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Mister Clean (#87)

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

Yes hundreds.

Do you live in a cave?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: wudidiz (#83)

Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments.

Do you disagree?

So what?  There are other websites with many more members.

How do you define 'accomplishment'?

I'll give you an example.  MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country.  THAT is an accomplishment.

911 "truth" on the other hand... (crickets chirping...)

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TwentyTwelve (#90)

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: TwentyTwelve, Mister Clean, all (#90)

Do you live in a cave?

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Mister Clean (#91)

I'll give you an example. MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment

And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Mister Clean, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#92)

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

They are out there. Do your own research. You are simply trying to disrupt, confuse, and lead onto false paths.

Tell your supervisor that you are having trouble debating people more knowledgable and intelligent than yourself. Maybe he/she will have mercy on you and send you off to argue in a forum "more suitable" to your abilities.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Original_Intent (#93)

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Original_Intent (#93)

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Mister Clean (#92)

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

Why do you waste our time?

You know the answer.

Why do all of the government shills play the same silly mind games?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Mister Clean (#96)

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

Working for the CIA does not make one want smart.

That is not flattery.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: mininggold (#94)

And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.

When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.

Now, do you have an example of something the "truth" movement has accomplished?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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