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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
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Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
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I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked. This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary. After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum. The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead. Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays. The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.
Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.
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#78. To: wudidiz (#77)
You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.
I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think. The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link. As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well? Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking? Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air? Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking?
You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none. There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines. Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think. The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link. As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.
You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none. Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments. Do you disagree? How do you define 'accomplishment'?
I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think. The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link. As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions. www.jonesreport.com/artic...06_rodriguez_spanish.html William Rodriguez Gets Cover story of New York's Largest Spanish Newspaper The Key of Rescue- William Rodriguez, The Latin face of 9/11 Special Series. William Rodriguez, last man out of the North Tower and key activist for the rights of the victims of 9/11, was portrayed on the cover story of El Diario. With a 3 page article, El Diario presented the fight and expectations of William Rodriguez, those themes includes his rescue effort on 9/11, the search for the truth and his political strategy in case if he decides to run for office. Rodriguez's story, well known in Latin America and all over the world, has been mainly suppressed in the USA. His followers are pushing him to run for elective office but he says that he is to busy bringing his mission all over the world. On the article, the reporter noted how he has been fielding interviews from all over the globe and expect to reach an audience of more than 300 million people in televised and live presentations on the 9/11 Anniversary. Also this Thursday, he will be appearing on a TV special on Univision Network top rated news magazine " Aqui y ahora" ( Here and Now- 30 million viewers) at 10pm. He will talk about his views on what really happened on 9/11 and a panel of government expert will be interviewed to contradict his experiences.
As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions. Thanks. Saw him on zeitgeist.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
Mr Clean is at best intellectually incurious. And is probably posting from a Goldman-Sachs office. lolol
Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well? Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names? Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking? I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion. Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air? Yes because that's exactly what happened. Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking? Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers."
I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think. The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link. As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions. Welcome to William Rodriguez's Website
There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines. Name them! Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques. How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"
Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names? Yes hundreds. Do you live in a cave?
Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments. Do you disagree? So what? There are other websites with many more members. How do you define 'accomplishment'? I'll give you an example. MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment. 911 "truth" on the other hand... (crickets chirping...)
Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?
No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.
Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation? They are out there. Do your own research. You are simply trying to disrupt, confuse, and lead onto false paths. Tell your supervisor that you are having trouble debating people more knowledgable and intelligent than yourself. Maybe he/she will have mercy on you and send you off to argue in a forum "more suitable" to your abilities.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.
They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.
Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation? Why do you waste our time? You know the answer. Why do all of the government shills play the same silly mind games?
Working for the CIA does not make one want smart. That is not flattery.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated. Now, do you have an example of something the "truth" movement has accomplished?
What's the average IQ of one who works for the CIA?
They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado. Which location does Mister Clean work out of?
Typical cop out. I'm not surprised. When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research."
DDAM (Drunk Drivers Against Mothers) has killed and injured lots of mothers. THAT is an accomplishment.
Typical cop out. I'm not surprised. When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research." You have been given the answers many times. Quit wasting our time!
There have been drinking and driving laws even during the horse and buggy era. MADD fits in well with your own philosophy I'm sure. That the dirty masses need a good regulatin'.
They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado. Which location does Mister Clean work out of? Good question. Meester Clean - where is your cubicle located and for which Alphabet Soup Agency do you work?
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names? wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again... CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion. There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions... 9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC Yes because that's exactly what happened. Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them. Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers." They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to. Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide. It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfuscation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracy theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity.
Quit wasting our time! Wasting our time is one of his/her functions.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.
wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again... CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion. There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions... 9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC Yes because that's exactly what happened. Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them. Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers." They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to. Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide. It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfusuation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracry theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity. Bookmark this info so you don't have to ask for it again.
The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...
Oops, just saw a few typos in my comments. Oh well, never claimed to be a great typist... :)
I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere. Based in the U.S. or Israel?
Standard Disinfo tactics. Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
That gets paid everytime someone posts to it?
The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist... Typical government shill.
Oh I'm sure it has as many citizenships as it can possibly obtain and working for a worldwide entity.
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#79. To: Clitora (#45)
Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.
#80. To: Mister Clean (#64)
I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: Mister Clean, wudidiz, all (#78)
PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11
#82. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)
Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.
#83. To: Mister Clean (#78)
PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#84. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)
Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#79)
The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.
#86. To: FormerLurker, Mr. Clean (#61)
Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?
#87. To: FormerLurker (#80)
#88. To: Original_Intent, Clitora, wudidiz (#79)
Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.
#89. To: Original_Intent (#81)
#90. To: Mister Clean (#87)
Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?
#91. To: wudidiz (#83)
#92. To: TwentyTwelve (#90)
Yes hundreds.
#93. To: TwentyTwelve, Mister Clean, all (#90)
Do you live in a cave?
#94. To: Mister Clean (#91)
I'll give you an example. MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment
#95. To: Mister Clean, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#92)
Yes hundreds.
#96. To: Original_Intent (#93)
No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.
#97. To: Original_Intent (#93)
No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.
#98. To: Mister Clean (#92)
Yes hundreds.
#99. To: Mister Clean (#96)
I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.
#100. To: mininggold (#94)
And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.
#101. To: Mister Clean (#96)
I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.
#102. To: mininggold, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#97)
No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.
#103. To: Original_Intent (#95)
Do your own research.
#104. To: mininggold (#94)
MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#105. To: Mister Clean (#103)
Do your own research.
#106. To: Mister Clean (#100)
When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.
#107. To: TwentyTwelve, mininggold, wudidiz, Mister Clean, all (#102)
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No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.
#108. To: Mister Clean (#87)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#109. To: TwentyTwelve (#105)
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You have been given the answers many times.
#110. To: TwentyTwelve (#102)
Which location does Mister Clean work out of?
#111. To: Mister Clean (#108)
Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?
#112. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz (#109)
Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#113. To: TwentyTwelve (#111)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#114. To: mininggold (#110)
Which location does Mister Clean work out of?
#115. To: FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz (#112)
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
#116. To: mininggold, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, all (#110)
I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#117. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#112)
Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.
#118. To: TwentyTwelve (#114)
Based in the U.S. or Israel?
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