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Title: The 911 Zombie Movement
Source: The Obvious
URL Source: http://www.freedom4um.com
Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2009-09-11 08:58:06 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 911, 911 truth
Views: 1719
Comments: 182

I suggested on this forum a couple years ago that the 911 "truth" movement had peaked.  This peak coincided with the rise of the first "Loose Change" shlockumentary.  After "Loose Change" was debunked and its theatrical version scrapped, it and the "truth" movement lost momentum.

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything.  It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories.  After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)

Not even the great Charlie Sheen can revive this zombie.

You hate alex jones too don't you?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   9:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You hate alex jones too don't you?

I enjoy Jones' comedy a great deal.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   9:12:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

“Truth Is Treason In An Empire Of Lies” - Dr. Ron Paul

911 is a study in human psychology and the "Emporer has no clothes" syndrome.

Only a child can see it, or an adult who retains the very human characteristic of curiosity. Those who can not see that the emporer is naked have lost their innate humanity and have been slowly dying a spriritual death as the psychopaths lead them on a path of destruction. I for one will not cooperate and surprisingly that is about all one needs to to as the empire comes crashing down. The empire, in stark contrast to the three world trade center towers, which were demolished by expolsives will fall to the ground under its own weight.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   10:08:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

I agree. But not for the reason you might think.

It's like trying to put a puzzle together, when you don't know what the end result will look like, and you don't have all the pieces.

But there are enough pieces in place to give a person a good idea of what that puzzle looks like.

I don't know what pieces can now be added. Those that see it, see it. Those that don't, don't.

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

no new investigation, check

no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, check

no convictions, check

still has not offered proof to support its theories, ahhhh, you tried to sneak that one in there, didn't you, you naughty boy...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   10:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC. It is not available outside of secretive military labs in the US and Israel.

So what did the perpetratirs get? They got America to kill, maim and displace millions of peoplr in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we got a few thousand Americans killed on 9-11 and a few more soldieras since then. And they got America to spend a few hundred billion dollars to move the date of our bankruptcy forwatd.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2009-09-11   10:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

still has not offered proof to support its theories, ahhhh, you tried to sneak that one in there, didn't you, you naughty boy...

That's right, no proof has been offered.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   10:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC.

Does Charlie Sheen know this?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   10:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's right, no proof has been offered.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Those are the pros. Read it if you want.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   10:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those who can not see that the emporer is naked have lost their innate humanity and have been slowly dying a spriritual death as the psychopaths lead them on a path of destruction. I for one will not cooperate and surprisingly that is about all one needs to to as the empire comes crashing down. The empire, in stark contrast to the three world trade center towers, which were demolished by expolsives will fall to the ground under its own weight.

I and many others merely want to survive it's collapse and thrive afterward, as nature intended it.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   10:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Those are the pros.

I suggest they use a different term other than "911 truth" because that term conjures up a collection of narrow minded, hypersensitive morons who have a fit when challenged.

The term "911 truth" is associated with the likes of Alex Jones, We Are Change and other goofballs who will never be taken seriously by anyone outside their clique.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   11:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree. That term has been taken over by people with their own agendas; or more likely, working for others agendas.

All I want to know is the truth, no matter what it is. I think that goes for most people here too.

There's nothing wrong with being challenged on anything. Iron sharpeneth iron.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All I want to know is the truth,no matter what it is.

No you don't. You want to know the truth based upon your own emotional logic.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree. That term has been taken over by people with their own agendas; or more likely, working for others agendas.

It sure would be funny to learn that Alex Jones is a paid disinfo agent.

But most likely he's just a clown who has found a way to profit off of lesser clowns.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   11:31:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger.

I like your tagline.

I like it because it's true.

Everyone knows Kissinger is a scumbag. WTF, he doesn't even hide it. So deal with him at your peril.

But Jones is more dangerous, because some people see him as an ally. He can, and does, sneak things in under the worshippers radar. And when people point that out, by using SPECIFIC examples, they throw temper tantrums and start name calling. I suppose that is meant to discourage the person being called names.

I think that's funny, myself.

I won't stop. I'm not alone. Others do it too. But according to YOUR emotional "logic", and others, those people are "agents" and one of Jones' favorite words, "shills".

If you are going to dispute the facts of what is presented, then do it. Otherwise, you are just pissing up a rope.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It sure would be funny to learn that Alex Jones is a paid disinfo agent.

I accused Hal Turner of that, and got called names for it.

I was right, of course. ANd I wan't the only one that said that.

I think Jones probably is too. Even if he does like the $$$ also. Simple idiocy does not explain the idiotic things he has said and done. No one can be that stupid. And he never admits his mistakes, that I have ever heard or read. He just tries to let it slide and go onto other idiocy.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   11:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I won't stop. I'm not alone. Others do it too.

Your emotional logic is dictating for you to jump off that bridge with all your others.

Henry Kissenger is infinitely more destructive than an alex jones.

Simple because, you won't go out with a bull horn and yell out in front of kissinger and associates that he was responsible for the deaths of millions in south east asia.

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

I can only imagine that alex jones isn't all that into human sacrifice as much as kissinger and his associtates, but you go on hacking at the branches of evil if it suits you.

By law of numbers someone somewhere is hacking at the root.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone knows Kissinger is a scumbag. WTF, he doesn't even hide it. So deal with him at your peril.

I just realized something.

You would rather attack someone, on an internet forum, than actually stop a group of people doing monsterous things in real life!

You flat earthers have been pigeonholed to whining on internet forums.

I cannot take you people anymore. You bring me down. Your arrogant stupidity brings me vibrationally down.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   11:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 911"truth" movement is dead, or should I say, undead.

Today 911 "truth" is a zombie movement; it's not growing, not progressing and not accomplishing anything. It just staggers around bumping into walls while it slowly decays.

Then why should you care enough to post this vanity? Evidently just to count respondents. You sound like a government lobbyist or bean counter.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   11:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I and many others merely want to survive it's collapse and thrive afterward, as nature intended it.

Welcome to my world.

The Empire is fearful, and backed into a corner like the monster it is. Under these conditions it will strike at anyone or anything that is a perceived or created threat,ie. the muzzies, the gun nuts, the truthers, etc., Stay well my friend, nature does seem to be quite efficient in disposing of empires, this will be no different. God bless and may we stay under the radar of the beast of The State.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   12:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Simple because, you won't go out with a bull horn and yell out in front of kissinger and associates that he was responsible for the deaths of millions in south east asia.

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

I can only imagine that alex jones isn't all that into human sacrifice as much as kissinger and his associtates, but you go on hacking at the branches of evil if it suits you.

Kissinger was not singlehandedly responsible for those deaths. He had a lot of help. Want to blame someone for Nam? Try McNamara or that shitbag Johnson or those that made a lot of money off that war. Kissinger just played a supporting role.

I dont care about rape rumors.

I see no proof of human sacrifice.

Again: If you are going to dispute the facts of what is presented, then do it. Otherwise, you are just pissing up a rope.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Your arrogant stupidity brings me vibrationally down.

Great. I pissed off a New Ager.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He also is rumored to have had sex with men in war time! Raping men.

5% of the men/women in the military do the killing, the psychopaths.

95% go through the motions and never fire a weapon in the direction of the "enemy", their fellow man.

Kissinger is certainly one of the 5 percenters, a psychopath.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   12:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I see no proof of human sacrifice.

"Deprogramming the masses since 1547" Mission Statement

For centuries, mankind knew all there was to know about the shape of the Earth. It was a flat planet, shaped roughly like a circle, with lots of pointy things hanging down from the underside. On the comparatively smooth topside, Europe sat in the middle of the circle, with the other continents scattered about the fringes, and parts of Africa hanging over the edge. The oceans lapped against the sides of the Earth, and in places ran over, creating currents that would pull over the edge ships that ventured too far out to sea. The space beyond the edge of the world was a dark realm inhabited by all sorts of unholy beasts. Fire and brimstone billowed up from the very depths of hell itself and curled 'round the cliffs whose infinite length jutted straight down to the darkest depths . . . .

Then, in the year of our Lord fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, it all changed. For decades a small band of self-proclaimed "enlightened" individuals had been spouting their heretical nonsense that the Earth was in fact round. Citing "proof" based on nothing more than assumptions, half-truths and blind guesses, they dazzled the populace with their " . . . undeniable mathematical and scientific evidence . . . that the world is shaped not like a pancake, but an orange!"

Rightly wishing to dispel notions regarding the alleged citrus-like shape of our planet, the Church was able to either silence or execute nearly all the fanatics. But a small handful remained, continuing to spread their blasphemous speeches and to promote their heretical ideals involving the very center of the universe. One of their number, who called himself Grigori Efimovich, would later be known to the rest of the world as Christopher Columbus. Using an elaborate setup involving hundreds of mirrors and a few burlap sacks, he was able to create an illusion so convincing that it was actually believed he had sailed around the entire planet and landed in the West Indies. As we now know, he did not. What Efimovich actually did was sail across the Atlantic Ocean to a previously undiscovered continent, North America, and even then only to a small island off the coast. It took him several years more even to "discover" his blunder and claim it as a " . . . new world". But the damage had already been done, and mankind entered into what we now call its "Dark Ages" . . . . www.alaska.net/~clund/e_d...kopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Monday, February 19, 2007

Professor says there is no doubt infamous Bin Laden tape is fake, being used to deflect 9/11 "conspiracy theories"

A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called "9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly after the attacks, is an outright fake that has been used by US intelligence agencies to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041221155307646

THE TOP 40 REASONS TO DOUBT THE OFFICIAL STORY OF SEPTEMBER 11th, 2001

... An outline in simple talking points ...

Version of May 22, 2006: This overview is in development. If you use the search function with key words, you will discover that 911Truth.org is home to articles backing virtually every point made below. Much of the basic research is available at the Complete 9/11 Timeline (hosted by cooperativeresearch.org), the 9/11 Reading Room (911readingroom.org), and the Spitzer petition and complaint (Justicefor911.org). For physical evidence discussion, see Point 7.

THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY

1) AWOL Chain of Command

a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

2) Air Defense Failures

a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

c. Was there an air defense standdown?

3) Pentagon Strike How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital? How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?

4) Wargames

a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

b. The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did wargames serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, and/or the execution of an "inside job"?

5) Flight 93 Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)? Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?

THE DAY - POSSIBLE SMOKING GUNS

6) Did cell phones work at 30,000 feet in 2001? How many hijackings were attempted? How many flights were diverted?

7) Demolition Hypothesis What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane? Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions," the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)

FOREKNOWLEDGE & THE ALLEGED HIJACKERS

8) What did officials know? How did they know it?

a. Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

b. Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.

c. Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.

9) Able Danger, Plus - Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers

a. The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities - including the CIA, the US military's "Able Danger" program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence and others.

b. Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.

10) Obstruction of FBI Investigations prior to 9/11 A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers - as the Moussaoui case once again showed. The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo," David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators. (Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.)

11) Insider Trading

a. Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.

b. In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.

c. Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).

12) Who were the perpetrators?

a. Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker, found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.

b. The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles," all of which is omitted from official investigations.

c. What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-worldtrade-50suspects,0,1 825231.story

THE 9/11 COVER-UP, 2001-2006

13) Who Is Osama Bin Ladin?

a. Who judges which of the many conflicting and dubious statements and videos attributed to Osama Bin Ladin are genuine, and which are fake? The most important Osama Bin Ladin video (Nov. 2001), in which he supposedly confesses to masterminding 9/11, appears to be a fake. In any event, the State Department's translation of it is fraudulent.

b. Did Osama Bin Ladin visit Dubai and meet a CIA agent in July 2001 (Le Figaro)? Was he receiving dyalisis in a Pakistani military hospital on the night of September 10, 2001 (CBS)?

c. Whether by Bush or Clinton: Why is Osama always allowed to escape?

d. The terror network associated with Osama, known as the "data base" (al-Qaeda), originated in the CIA-sponsored 1980s anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan. When did this network stop serving as an asset to covert operations by US intelligence and allied agencies? What were its operatives doing in Kosovo, Bosnia and Chechnya in the years prior to 9/11?

14) All the Signs of a Systematic 9/11 Cover-up

a. Airplane black boxes were found at Ground Zero, according to two first responders and an unnamed NTSB official, but they were "disappeared" and their existence is denied in The 9/11 Commission Report.

b. US officials consistently suppressed and destroyed evidence (like the tapes recorded by air traffic controllers who handled the New York flights).

c. Whistleblowers (like Sibel Edmonds and Anthony Shaffer) were intimidated, gagged and sanctioned, sending a clear signal to others who might be thinking about speaking out.

d. Officials who "failed" (like Myers and Eberhard, as well as Frasca, Maltbie and Bowman of the FBI) were given promotions.

15) Poisoning New York The White House deliberately pressured the EPA into giving false public assurances that the toxic air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. This knowingly contributed to an as-yet unknown number of health cases and fatalities, and demonstrates that the administration does consider the lives of American citizens to be expendable on behalf of certain interests.

16) Disposing of the Crime Scene The rapid and illegal scrapping of the WTC ruins at Ground Zero disposed of almost all of the structural steel indispensable to any investigation of the collapse mechanics. (See also item no. 23, below.)

17) Anthrax Mailings of weapons-grade anthrax - which caused a practical suspension of the 9/11 investigations - were traced back to US military stock. Soon after the attacks began in October 2001, the FBI approved the destruction of the original samples of the Ames strain, disposing of perhaps the most important evidence in identifying the source of the pathogens used in the mailings. Were the anthrax attacks timed to coincide with the Afghanistan invasion? Why were the letters sent only to media figures and to the leaders of the opposition in the Senate (who had just raised objections to the USA PATRIOT Act)?

18) The Stonewall

a. Colin Powell promised a "white paper" from the State Department to establish the authorship of the attacks by al-Qaeda. This was never forthcoming, and was instead replaced by a paper from Tony Blair, which presented only circumstantial evidence, with very few points actually relating to September 11th.

b. Bush and Cheney pressured the (freshly-anthraxed) leadership of the Congressional opposition into delaying the 9/11 investigation for months. The administration fought against the creation of an independent investigation for more than a year.

c. The White House thereupon attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger as the chief investigator, and acted to underfund and obstruct the 9/11 Commission.

19) A Record of Official Lies

a. "No one could have imagined planes into buildings" - a transparent falsehood upheld repeatedly by Rice, Rumsfeld and Bush.

b. "Iraq was connected to 9/11" - The most "outrageous conspiracy theory" of all, with the most disastrous impact.

20) Pakistani Connection - Congressional Connection

a. The Pakistani intelligence agency ISI, creator of the Taliban and close ally to both the CIA and "al-Qaeda," allegedly wired $100,000 to Mohamed Atta just prior to September 11th, reportedly through the ISI asset Omar Saeed Sheikh (later arrested for the killing of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, who was investigating ISI connections to "al-Qaeda.")

b. This was ignored by the congressional 9/11 investigation, although the senator and congressman who ran the probe (Bob Graham and Porter Goss) were meeting with the ISI chief, Mahmud Ahmed, on Capitol Hill on the morning of September 11th.

c. About 25 percent of the report of the Congressional Joint Inquiry was redacted, including long passages regarding how the attack (or the network allegedly behind it) was financed. Graham later said foreign allies were involved in financing the alleged terror network, but that this would only come out in 30 years.

21) Unanswered Questions and the "Final Fraud" of the 9/11 Commission:

a. The September 11th families who fought for and gained an independent investigation (the 9/11 Commission) posed 400-plus questions, which the 9/11 Commission adopted as its roadmap. The vast majority of these questions were completely ignored in the Commission hearings and the final report.

b. The membership and staff of the 9/11 Commission displayed awesome conflicts of interest. The families called for the resignation of Executive Director Philip Zelikow, a Bush administration member and close associate of "star witness" Condoleezza Rice, and were snubbed. Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash."

c.The 9/11 Commission Report is notable mainly for its obvious omissions, distortions and outright falsehoods - ignoring anything incompatible with the official story, banishing the issues to footnotes, and even dismissing the still-unresolved question of who financed 9/11 as being "of little practical significance."

22) Crown Witnesses Held at Undisclosed Locations The alleged masterminds of 9/11, Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) and Ramzi Binalshibh, are reported to have been captured in 2002 and 2003, although one Pakistani newspaper said KSM was killed in an attempted capture. They have been held at undisclosed locations and their supposed testimonies, as provided in transcript form by the government, form much of the basis for The 9/11 Commission Report (although the Commission's request to see them in person was denied). After holding them for years, why doesn't the government produce these men and put them to trial?

23) Spitzer Redux

a. Eliot Spitzer, attorney general of New York State, snubbed pleas by New York citizens to open 9/11 as a criminal case (Justicefor911.org).

b. Spitzer also refused to allow his employee, former 9/11 Commission staff member Dietrich Snell, to testify to the Congress about his (Snell's) role in keeping "Able Danger" entirely out of The 9/11 Commission Report.

24) NIST Omissions After the destruction of the WTC structural steel, the official Twin Towers collapse investigation was left with almost no forensic evidence, and thus could only provide dubious computer models of ultimately unprovable hypotheses. It failed to even test for the possibility of explosives. (Why not clear this up?)

25) Radio Silence The 9/11 Commission and NIST both allowed the continuing cover-up of how Motorola's faulty radios, purchased by the Giuliani administration, caused firefighter deaths at the WTC - once again showing the expendability, even of the first responders.

26) The Legal Catch-22

a. Hush Money - Accepting victims' compensation barred September 11th families from pursuing discovery through litigation.

b. Judge Hallerstein - Those who refused compensation to pursue litigation and discovery had their cases consolidated under the same judge (and as a rule dismissed).

27) Saudi Connections

a. The 9/11 investigations made light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignored the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)

b. The issue of Ptech.

28) Media Blackout of Prominent Doubters The official story has been questioned and many of the above points were raised by members of the US Congress, retired high-ranking officers of the US military, the three leading third-party candidates for President in the 2004 election, a member of the 9/11 Commission who resigned in protest, a former high-ranking adviser to the George W. Bush administration, former ministers to the German, British and Canadian governments, the commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, 100 luminaries who signed the "9/11 Truth Statement," and the presidents of Iran and Venezuela. Not all of these people agree fully with each other, but all would normally be considered newsworthy. Why has the corporate-owned US mass media remained silent about these statements, granting due coverage only to the comments of actor Charlie Sheen?

GEOPOLITICS, TIMING AND POSSIBLE MOTIVES

29) "The Great Game" The Afghanistan invasion was ready for Bush's go-ahead on September 9, 2001, with US and UK force deployments to the region already in place or underway. This followed the failure earlier that year of backdoor diplomacy with the Taliban (including payments of $125 million in US government aid to Afghanistan), in an attempt to secure a unity government for that country as a prerequisite to a Central Asian pipeline deal.

30) The Need for a "New Pearl Harbor" Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.

31) Perpetual "War on Terror" 9/11 is supposed to provide carte-blanche for an open-ended, global and perpetual "War on Terror," against any enemy, foreign or domestic, that the executive branch chooses to designate, and regardless of whether evidence exists to actually connect these enemies to 9/11.

32) Attacking the Constitution

a. The USA PATRIOT Act was written before 9/11, Homeland Security and the "Shadow Government" were developed long before 9/11, and plans for rounding up dissidents as a means for suppressing civil disturbance have been in the works for decades.

b. 9/11 was used as the pretext to create a new, extra-constitutional executive authority to declare anyone an "enemy combatant" (including American citizens), to detain persons indefinitely without habeas corpus, and to "render" such persons to secret prisons where torture is practiced.

33) Legal Trillions

9/11 triggers a predictable shift of public spending to war, and boosts public and private spending in the "new" New Economy of "Homeland Security," biometrics, universal surveillance, prisons, civil defense, secured enclaves, security, etc.

34) Plundered Trillions?

On September 10, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld announced a "war on waste" after an internal audit found that the Pentagon was "missing" 2.3 trillion dollars in unaccounted assets. On September 11th, this was as good as forgotten.

35) Did 9/11 prevent a stock market crash?

Did anyone benefit from the destruction of the Securities and Exchange Commission offices at WTC 7, and the resultant crippling of hundreds of fraud investigations?

36) Resource Wars

a. What was discussed in the Energy Task Force meetings under Dick Cheney in 2001? Why is the documentation of these meetings still being suppressed?

b. Is Peak Oil a motive for 9/11 as inside job?

37) The "Little Game" Why was the WTC privatized just before its destruction?

HISTORY

38) "Al-CIA-da?" The longstanding relationship between US intelligence networks and radical Islamists, including the network surrounding Osama Bin Ladin. (See also point 13d.)

39) Historical Precedents for "Synthetic Terror"

a. In the past many states, including the US government, have sponsored attacks on their own people, fabricated the "cause for war," created (and armed) their own enemies of convenience, and sacrificed their own citizens for "reasons of state."

b. Was 9/11 an update of the Pentagon-approved "Project Northwoods" plan for conducting self-inflicted, false-flag terror attacks in the United States, and blaming them on a foreign enemy?

40) Secret Government

a. The record of criminality and sponsorship of coups around the world by the covert networks based within the US intelligence complex.

b. Specifically also: The evidence of crime by Bush administration principals and their associates, from October Surprise to Iran-Contra and the S&L plunder to PNAC, Enron/Halliburton and beyond.

REASON NUMBER 41: RELATED MOVEMENTS AND PARALLEL ISSUES

Ground Zero aftermath movements: - Justice for the air-poisoning cover-up (wtceo.org) - "Radio Silence" (radiosilencefdny.com) - Skyscraper Safety (www.skyscrapersafety.org).

Election fraud and black box voting, 2000 to 2004. (nov9truth.org)

Lies to justify the invasion of Iraq. (afterdowningstreet.org)

Use of depleted uranium and its multi-generational consequences on human health and the environment.

Longstanding development of contingency plans for civil disturbance and military rule in the USA (See, "The War at Home")

Oklahoma City Truth movement. (okctruth.org)

Whether you call it "Globalization" or "The New World Order" - An unsustainable system of permanent growth ultimately requires warfare, fraud, and mass manipulation.

GOING FORWARD ...

"But an inside job would involve thousands of people! How could they keep a secret?" Counter-arguments, red herrings, speculations and false information.

Selected essays, books and websites that make the case for 9/11 as inside job. (See Resources)

Demanding a real investigation of the September crimes - Not just a patriotic duty, but a matter of survival.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 911 "truth" movement has produced no new investigation, no indictments of the "real" perpetrators, no convictions and still has not offered proof to support its theories. After nearly a decade, the "truth" movement has had zero success in advancing its cause.

Hi there Mr. PsyOpbot.

Actually what you are trying to do is help drive a stake into the heart of 911 Truth.

Yes there is a lot of disinfo out there, false trails, and covert operators, such as Alex Jones, trying to mislead and sap the strength of the growing opposition to the incipient tyranny your masters wish to impose. Actually you make me wonder if "Loose Change" was not part of the PsyOp Matrix - to provide a debunkable film that, while mostly true, included just enough bad info to discredit the entire concept by association. Jason Bermas "anti-anti-zionist" outburst was very revealing about his mindset, and he is a protege of Alex Jones. I notice Jones spends much less time on groups such as "We Are Change" these days.

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks. Feel your collar getting a bit tighter?

Along with several other related matters, such as the Bankster Bail-out Rip-off - the veil has been pierced in multiple places and a little light is beginning to shine through.

This is a cumulative process.

The recognition that JFK was whacked by people within our power structure with the aid and connivance of the CIA.

The growing awareness that FDR not only knew in advance of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor but wanted it to occur so as to create the pretext for entering WWII.

And now the 911 PsyOp which is unraveling. The nice thing about material on the web is that it is downloadable and serves as a written record of what has transpired.

It been a couple of bad years for you bad guys.

Got Rope?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Simple idiocy does not explain the idiotic things he has said and done. No one can be that stupid. And he never admits his mistakes, that I have ever heard or read. He just tries to let it slide and go onto other idiocy.

It's a tough call for sure but given the success of idiotic TV preachers I'm inclined to believe that Jones can actually be that stupid.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:14:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why should you care enough to post this vanity?

I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Expert Goes On Record: Bin Laden 9/11 Confession Is Bogus

Alex Jones is bogus.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:15:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Kissinger is certainly one of the 5 percenters, a psychopath.

You don't get that high up, without it happening.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nano-thermite was used to take down the WTC. It is not available outside of secretive military labs in the US and Israel.

So what did the perpetratirs get? They got America to kill, maim and displace millions of peoplr in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we got a few thousand Americans killed on 9-11 and a few more soldieras since then. And they got America to spend a few hundred billion dollars to move the date of our bankruptcy forwatd.

I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support. The recovery of molten material 6 to 8 weeks after the collapses can really only be accounted for by radioactivity. I can think of no other agency capable of generating that much heat that long after the collapses. That along with the still unexplained miraculous collapse of WTC 7 are two of the biggest outpoints in the entire evidence set.

There is no physical agency shown by any of the supporters of the "Official Conspiracy Theory®" that can account for the collapse of WTC 7. NIST had to invent a new physical effect of a fire to try to explain it away. A physical effect laughed at by scientists and engineers outside the U.S..

As well there is no physical agency even mentioned in the FEMA or NIST reports (nor in the Pop Mechanics Straw Piece) that accounts for the molten metal recovered at "Ground Zero" up to 8 weeks after the event.

Also, along with Asbestos, radioactivity would account for the number of lung disease victims among the First Responders and workers at Ground Zero.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support.

That would account for the loud "boom" heard by many people on different buildings.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:26:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, the penetration of 911 Truth is such that a majority of the population is now at least thinking about the possibility, and that scares you folks.

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

What you Truthers don't realize is that you guys live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

The "truth" movement is a zombie. It's not going anywhere.

Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped".

It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

3)...How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon? ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_aircraft

Principle of Ground Effect

Wingtip vortices are a major cause of induced drag, which refers to any drag created as a side-effect of generating lift. Reducing this form of drag leads to a number of widely-used design considerations found on many aircraft. Gliders, for instance, use very long wings with a high aspect ratio in order to reduce the size of the wingtip in relation to the size of the wing as a whole, thereby reducing the contribution of induced drag. Other aircraft sometimes include winglets or end-plates to actively disrupt the airflow over the tip.

The phenomenon of wing in ground effect is caused by the ground interrupting the wingtip vortices and downwash behind the wing.[3] When a wing is flown very close to the ground, wingtip vortices are unable to form effectively due to the obstruction of the ground. The result is lower induced drag, which increases the speed and lift of the aircraft while it is experiencing the ground effect.

The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   12:27:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Pentagram "plane" would have experienced this to a significant degree, moving at over 500 mph... NOt something some flight school flunky could overcome.

No arab monkey could have flown those planes.

They were auto-piloted and flown by another plane with remote control instruments.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unfortunately for you I have studied PsyOps and know the exact technique you are attempting to use: It amounts to preached defeatism i.e., "all is lost", "give up", "surrender to the invevitable", "lie back and enjoy being raped".

It is just that - a PsyOp tactic to reduce, and sap the will, of the resistance to the agenda you are an agent of.

The 911 "truth" movement has nothing serious to show for it's 8 years of existence.

No new investigation, no indictments, no convictions. Nothing.

That's not psyops, that's the truth.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!

Then you should be trying to get the investigation reopened. After all another building fell that was barely mentioned. The original investigation was incomplete at best. If you are right.... what's there to lose?

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   12:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect also the use of micro-nukes to remove the foundation support.

That would account for the loud "boom" heard by many people on different buildings.

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

The accumulating evidence of both eyewitness accounts, and the observed physical phenomena points strongly in that direction. To accomplish that much damage would have required tons, literally, of explosives. Not that conventional explosives and thermate were not used as well - after all to bring down structures as well built and reinforced with a massive steel structure in the very short time period it took requires the expenditure of a lot of energy, and we do know from leaks and rumors that the technology exists to make a nuke that will literally fit in a briefcase.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   12:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What you, Mister Clean don't realize is that you live in your own cocoon isolated from objective reality.

You are a zombie. You're not going anywhere.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then you should be trying to get the investigation reopened.

NOTHING will satisfy the Truthers.

Truthers live to whine, criticize, lecture, scold, protest and complain.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

That after the other attempt they built basements and subbasements underneath the buildings. They would have to have had some kind of clearance to get into those rooms.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:37:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You don't get that high up, without it happening

Our system demands it, however the end is nigh, it will be tossed on the trash heap of history along with the worthless and ineffectual instrument of the original coup d'état, the constitution.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-11   12:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are a zombie.

What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years?

Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?"

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

NOTHING will satisfy the Truthers.

Truthers live to whine, criticize, lecture, scold, protest and complain.

Aren't you interested yourself in why the last building to fall was barely mentioned and certainly not investigated. No curiosity on your part, if only to try to prevent this mishap from occurring in other buildings?

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   12:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years?

Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?"

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197# video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That is pure fantasy. There are dozens of issues that are more important to more people than 911 conspiracy theories.

Nothing is more important than the 911 truth.

You are threatened by the truth baldie, and it shows.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Aren't you interested yourself in why the last building to fall was barely mentioned and certainly not investigated. No curiosity on your part, if only to try to prevent this mishap from occurring in other buildings?

No.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie

911Truth.org ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement

... www.911truth.org, so long as the full source URL (">http://www.911truth. org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 in this case) is posted with the article. ... www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050523112738404 - 47k - Jan 23, 2007 - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts

911Truth.o rg ::::: The 9/11 Truth Movement

ACTIVISM RESOURCES. What's happening in US Legislature? Text of bills, roll call votes, full information at www.thomas.gov ... www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006090610003242 - 38k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197# video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Wow! The "truth" movement has produced 3 Internet videos!

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What has the "truth" movement accomplished in 8 years?

Besides "Loose Change Final Cut?"

What have you accomplished in 8 years?

Besides posting "disinformation"?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D

Physics911, by Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven, 9/11/2001

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77. By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D. I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, ... www.physics911.net/olmsted - 22k - Cached -

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nothing is more important than the 911 truth.

Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Besides posting "disinformation"?

Well if saying that the "truth" movement has nothing to show after 8 years is disinfo, why don't you list all of the movement's accomplishments?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Alex Jones Discusses 9/11 Wargames

Alex Jones?

Just seeing that name makes me laugh.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm trying to "wake up" the Truthers to reality!

Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then why isn't it as big an issue as health care?

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   12:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you still believe the world is flat?

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You have to know the truth, and seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

You mean after 8 years the "truth" movement still hasn't woken up enough people?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   12:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wow! The "truth" movement has produced 3 Internet videos!

The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world.

The paid government dis-info shills have been exposed and are running scared.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   12:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government - as acknowledged by the FBI itself - has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence?

2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours - without even a crime scene investigation?

3) How come none of the 19's names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines?

4) How come eight names on the "original" FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries?

5) Why would pious jihadi Mohamed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission?

6) Why did Mohamed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases?

7) How could Mohammed Atta's passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)'s debris when not a single flight recorder was found?

8) Who is in the possession of the "disappeared" eight indestructible black boxes on those four flights?

9) Considering multiple international red alerts about a possible terrorist attack inside the US - including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice's infamous August 6, 2001, memo - how come four hijacked planes deviating from their computerized flight paths and disappearing from radar are allowed to fly around US airspace for more than an hour and a half - not to mention disabling all the elaborate Pentagon's defense systems in the process?

10) Why the secretary of the US Air Force James Roche did not try to intercept both planes hitting the WTC (only seven minutes away from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey) as well as the Pentagon (only 10 minutes away from McGuire)? Roche had no less than 75 minutes to respond to the plane hitting the Pentagon. 11) Why did George W Bush continue to recite "My Pet Goat" in his Florida school and was not instantly absconded by the secret service?

12) How could Bush have seen the first plane crashing on WTC live - as he admitted? Did he have previous knowledge - or is he psychic?

13) Bush said that he and Andrew Card initially thought the first hit on the WTC was an accident with a small plane. How is that possible when the FAA as well as NORAD already knew this was about a hijacked plane?

14) What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and no one scrambles to contact the Pentagon or the media?

15) Could defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld explain why initial media reports said that there were no fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base and then change the reports that there were, but not on high alert?

16) Why was the DC Air National Guard in Washington AWOL on 9/11?

17) Why did combat jet fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey not intercept the second hijacked plane hitting the WTC, when they could have done it within seven minutes?

18) Why did none of the combat jet fighters of the 459th Aircraft Squadron at Andrews Air Force Base intercept the plane that hit the Pentagon, only 16 kilometers away? And since we're at it, why the Pentagon did not release the full video of the hit?

19) A number of very experienced airline pilots - including US ally Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former fighter jet pilot - revealed that, well, only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. Is it remotely believable that the hijackers were up to the task?

20) How come a substantial number of witnesses did swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC?

21) How come a substantial number of reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the official narrative simply does not explain the largest structural collapse in recorded history (the Twin Towers) as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet?

22) According to Frank de Martini, WTC's construction manager, "We designed the building to resist the impact of one or more jetliners." The second plane nearly missed tower 1; most of the fuel burned in an explosion outside the tower. Yet this tower collapsed first, long before tower 2 that was "perforated" by the first hit. Jet fuel burned up fast - and by far did not reach the 2000-degree heat necessary to hurt the six tubular steel columns in the center of the tower - designed specifically to keep the towers from collapsing even if hit by a Boeing 707. A Boeing 707 used to carry more fuel than the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 that actually hit the towers.

23) Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling?

24) Why was metallic debris found no less than 13 kilometers from the crash site of the plane that went down in Pennsylvania? Was the plane in fact shot down - under vice president Dick Cheney's orders?

25) The Pipelineistan question. What did US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain talk about over the phone on October 10, 2001, with the oil minister of Pakistan? Was it to tell him that the 1990s-planned Unocal gas pipeline project, TAP (Turkmenistan/Afghanistan/ Pakistan), abandoned because of Taliban demands on transit fees, was now back in business? (Two months later, an agreement to build the pipeline was signed between the leaders of the three countries).

26) What is former Unocal lobbyist and former Bush pet Afghan Zalmay Khalilzad up to in Afghanistan?

27) How come former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Niak said in mid-July 2001 that the US had already decided to strike against Osama bin Laden and the Taliban by October? The topic was discussed secretly at the July Group of Eight summit in Genoa, Italy, according to Pakistani diplomats.

28) How come US ambassador to Yemen Barbara Bodine told FBI agent John O'Neill in July 2001 to stop investigating al-Qaeda's financial operations - with O'Neill instantly moved to a security job at the WTC, where he died on 9/11?

29) Considering the very intimate relationship between the Taliban and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), and the ISI and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), is Bin Laden alive, dead or still a valuable asset of the ISI, the CIA or both?

30) Was Bin Laden admitted at the American hospital in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates on July 4, 2001, after flying from Quetta, Pakistan, and staying for treatment until July 11?

31) Did the Bin Laden group build the caves of Tora Bora in close cooperation with the CIA during the 1980s' anti-Soviet jihad?

32) How come General Tommy Franks knew for sure that Bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora in late November 2001?

33) Why did president Bill Clinton abort a hit on Bin Laden in October 1999? Why did then-Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf abort a covert ops in the same date? And why did Musharraf do the same thing again in August 2001?

34) Why did George W Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force nine months before 9/11?

35) How come the (fake) Bin Laden home video - in which he "confesses" to being the perpetrator of 9/11 - released by the US on December 13, 2001, was found only two weeks after it was produced (on November 9); was it really found in Jalalabad (considering Northern Alliance and US troops had not even arrived there at the time); by whom; and how come the Pentagon was forced to release a new translation after the first (botched) one?

36) Why was ISI chief Lieutenant General Mahmud Ahmad abruptly "retired" on October 8, 2001, the day the US started bombing Afghanistan?

37) What was Ahmad up to in Washington exactly on the week of 9/11 (he arrived on September 4)? On the morning of 9/11, Ahmad was having breakfast on Capitol Hill with Bob Graham and Porter Goss, both later part of the 9/11 Commission, which simply refused to investigate two of its members. Ahmad had breakfast with Richard Armitage of the State Department on September 12 and 13 (when Pakistan negotiated its "cooperation" with the "war on terror") and met all the CIA and Pentagon top brass. On September 13, Musharraf announced he would send Ahmad to Afghanistan to demand to the Taliban the extradition of Bin Laden. 38) Who inside the ISI transferred US$100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the summer of 2001 - under orders of Ahmad himself, as Indian intelligence insists? Was it really ISI asset Omar Sheikh, Bin Laden's information technology specialist who later organized the slaying of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi? So was the ISI directly linked to 9/11?

39) Did the FBI investigate the two shady characters who met Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in New York City on September 8, 2001?

40) What did director of Asian affairs at the State Department Christina Rocca and the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Abdul Salam Zaeef discuss in their meeting in Islamabad in August 2001?

41) Did Washington know in advance that an "al-Qaeda" connection would kill Afghan nationalist commander Ahmad Shah Massoud, aka "The Lion of the Panjshir", only two days before 9/11? Massoud was fighting the Taliban and al- Qaeda - helped by Russia and Iran. According to the Northern Alliance, Massoud was killed by an ISI-Taliban-al Qaeda axis. If still alive, he would never have allowed the US to rig a loya jirga (grand council) in Afghanistan and install a puppet, former CIA asset Hamid Karzai, as leader of the country.

42) Why did it take no less than four months before the name of Ramzi Binalshibh surfaced in the 9/11 context, considering the Yemeni was a roommate of Mohammed Atta in his apartment cell in Hamburg?

43) Is pathetic shoe-bomber Richard Reid an ISI asset?

44) Did then-Russian president Vladimir Putin and Russian intelligence tell the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions?

45) When did the head of German intelligence, August Hanning, tell the CIA that terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft?"

46) When did Egyptian President Mubarak tell the CIA about an attack on the US with an "airplane stuffed with explosives?"

47) When did Israel's Mossad director Efraim Halevy tell the CIA about a possible attack on the US by "200 terrorists?"

48) Were the Taliban aware of the warning by a Bush administration official as early as February 2001 - "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs?"

49) Has Northrop-Grumman used Global Hawk technology - which allows to remotely control unmanned planes - in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001? Did it install Global Hawk in a commercial plane? Is Global Hawk available at all for commercial planes?

50) Would Cheney stand up and volunteer the detailed timeline of what he was really up to during the whole day on 9/11?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   12:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The truth has been exposed to millions of people all over the world.

And what is there to show for it?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

The government 911 coverup is a joke and has failed.

All those involved in the coverup will be held accountable.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

COMPARISON OF WTC COLLAPSE WITH OTHER BUILDINGS

"So the question is: Were WTC 1,2 & 7 brought down by explosives or by fire as the official government report says? Well, we know that the buildings came down in approx. 12 seconds (WTC 1 & 2) and 6 seconds (WTC 7) which is basically free fall speeds. We also know that no steel framed skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire with exceptions of WTC 1, 2 and 7. Hmm, three buidings in one day that defy the laws of physics and spontaneously collapse due to fire. I don't think so! Check out the comparison between a professional demolition and WTC buildings. Do you notice any similarities?"

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bush Caught Lying About September 11th

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All those involved in the coverup will be held accountable.

How many more people do you guys need to "wake up" to get a single conviction?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suppose the US government wants us to believe that 300,000 pounds of aircraft parts collided with over 13 million tons of steel (a weight estimate of 7 world trade center floors) and 14,000 cubic feet of concrete (estimate) and that a paper passport navigated it's way through all of that including an explosion that was at least 100 yards in diameter (estimate) to land safely on top of the rubble below?

Get real.

And if that were even possible, you would think the chances of it happening were once in a lifetime, right? Well how about twice?

You may remember that after the planes hit the World Trade Center towers--an epic disaster that melted structural steel designed to withstand a Hellish temperature of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, incinerated both planes? cockpit recorders and black-box recorders, and vaporized the flesh and bones of nearly 3,000 human beings--the passport of suspected hijacker Mohammed Atta was found intact, in pristine condition, lying on the sidewalk below.

Well, guess what. It happened again. I am not kidding. Both CBS News and the Associated Press are reporting that the passport of another hijacker, one Satam al-Sugami, floated down to Earth along with Mohammed Atta's passport. And not just a charred piece of a passport but , like the other passort, it was IN PRISTINE CONDITION.

Here's the original link (before it was removed:

http://www.11alive.com/news/usnews_article.aspx?storyid=42069

Taken from: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=43653

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WTC 7 Free Fall Collapse

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe the 911 "truth" movement is a joke.

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking?

Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air?

Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   13:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

PATRIOTS QUESTION 9/11

You are not able to list the accomplishments of the 911 "truth" movement because there are none.

Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments.

Do you disagree?

How do you define 'accomplishment'?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   13:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

www.jonesreport.com/artic...06_rodriguez_spanish.html

William Rodriguez Gets Cover story of New York's Largest Spanish Newspaper

The Key of Rescue- William Rodriguez, The Latin face of 9/11 Special Series.

William Rodriguez, last man out of the North Tower and key activist for the rights of the victims of 9/11, was portrayed on the cover story of El Diario. With a 3 page article, El Diario presented the fight and expectations of William Rodriguez, those themes includes his rescue effort on 9/11, the search for the truth and his political strategy in case if he decides to run for office. Rodriguez's story, well known in Latin America and all over the world, has been mainly suppressed in the USA. His followers are pushing him to run for elective office but he says that he is to busy bringing his mission all over the world. On the article, the reporter noted how he has been fielding interviews from all over the globe and expect to reach an audience of more than 300 million people in televised and live presentations on the 9/11 Anniversary.

Also this Thursday, he will be appearing on a TV special on Univision Network top rated news magazine " Aqui y ahora" ( Here and Now- 30 million viewers) at 10pm. He will talk about his views on what really happened on 9/11 and a panel of government expert will be interviewed to contradict his experiences.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

Thanks. Saw him on zeitgeist.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   13:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have a problem with Truth Mr. Clean? Do you still believe the world is flat?

Mr Clean is at best intellectually incurious. And is probably posting from a Goldman-Sachs office. lolol

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Hundreds?  Is there a list so I can count the names?

Do you believe the firefighters who reported explosions in the WTC towers were joking?

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

Do you believe that the top of the WTC towers could fall into the undamaged 80 or so lower floors about as fast as they would fall through thin air?

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Or how about the members of the 9/11 Commission itself who called the investigation a joke, and say that they were lied to by the Executive Branch and not given the facts, are they joking?

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job?  Did they suggest anything close to that?  No, they didn't.  They are not "truthers."

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also the Janitor/Hero who reported massive explosions in the sub-basements just before the planes hit. According to his account the basements were blown to hell and gone along with tons of heavy equipment being wrecked and displaced.

I recall someone saying that the floors went deeper than we may think.

The name I was trying to remember was William Rodriguez. Here is a link to his personal site: Link.

As well another link to some confirming data: William Rodriguez's Story Partially Confirmed | 911Blogger.com

Rodriguez was given accolades and treated as a hero for bringing survivors out of the rubble of the sub-basements but has later been attacked and villified by recounting what he observed as far as explosions.

Welcome to William Rodriguez's Website

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:47:50 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There are many despite your disinfo/PsyOp lines.

Name them!

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you believe the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation are a joke as well?

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

Yes hundreds.

Do you live in a cave?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Having so many sign on one website such as this is one of many accomplishments.

Do you disagree?

So what?  There are other websites with many more members.

How do you define 'accomplishment'?

I'll give you an example.  MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country.  THAT is an accomplishment.

911 "truth" on the other hand... (crickets chirping...)

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you live in a cave?

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll give you an example. MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment

And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

They are out there. Do your own research. You are simply trying to disrupt, confuse, and lead onto false paths.

Tell your supervisor that you are having trouble debating people more knowledgable and intelligent than yourself. Maybe he/she will have mercy on you and send you off to argue in a forum "more suitable" to your abilities.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes hundreds.

Where are the lists so I can count up the hundreds of professors, scientists, architects, engineers, military officials, and intelligence officials who are calling for a new investigation?

Why do you waste our time?

You know the answer.

Why do all of the government shills play the same silly mind games?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

Working for the CIA does not make one want smart.

That is not flattery.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And of course you would cite an example that was in line with the government push for the greater regulation of the public.

When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.

Now, do you have an example of something the "truth" movement has accomplished?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm flattered you think I'm smart enough to work for the CIA.

What's the average IQ of one who works for the CIA?

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   13:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   13:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do your own research.

Typical cop out. I'm not surprised.

When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research."

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   13:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

MAAD has pushed for and achieved tougher drunk driving laws around the country. THAT is an accomplishment

DDAM (Drunk Drivers Against Mothers) has killed and injured lots of mothers. THAT is an accomplishment.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do your own research.

Typical cop out. I'm not surprised.

When a Truther can't answer a question he says "Do your own research."

You have been given the answers many times.

Quit wasting our time!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When it comes to drinking and driving, people need to be regulated.

There have been drinking and driving laws even during the horse and buggy era. MADD fits in well with your own philosophy I'm sure. That the dirty masses need a good regulatin'.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, a cubicle in Langely Virginia.

They have largely moved Langley ops to Colorado.

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

Good question.

Meester Clean - where is your cubicle located and for which Alphabet Soup Agency do you work?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again...

CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions...

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them.

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers."

They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to.

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfuscation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracy theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You have been given the answers many times.

Quit wasting our time!

Wasting our time is one of his/her functions.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hundreds? Is there a list so I can count the names?

wudidiz already posted the link for you. Are you too lazy to click it? Here it is again...

CREDIBLE CRITICS OF THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11

I don't believe that just because a firefighter might have heard something that sounded like an explosion means there was indeed an explosion.

There was more than just one firefighter who reported explosions...

9/11 Firefighters: Bombs and Explosions in the WTC

Yes because that's exactly what happened.

Only way for it to happen that way is for explosives to have taken out the lower floors as the upper floors fell onto them.

Did they suggest 911 was an inside job? Did they suggest anything close to that? No, they didn't. They are not "truthers."

They said that they were not given the evidence they requested, and that they were lied to.

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

It is obvious that the government and media have undertaken a massive campaign of obfusuation and have covered up what really happened on 9/11. It is a glaring fact that terrorists CAN and DO use explosives in their actions, yet it was instantly dismissed as "conspiracry theory" that explosives were used in the WTC collapse. That wreaks of complicity.

Bookmark this info so you don't have to ask for it again.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:05:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oops, just saw a few typos in my comments. Oh well, never claimed to be a great typist... :)

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Standard Disinfo tactics.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:11:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That gets paid everytime someone posts to it?

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wasting out time is one of his/her functions.

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

Typical government shill.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

Oh I'm sure it has as many citizenships as it can possibly obtain and working for a worldwide entity.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:16:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That gets paid everytime someone posts to it?

IMO it's just checking the water temp.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-11   14:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Based in the U.S. or Israel?

Oh I'm sure it has as many citizenships as it can possibly obtain and working for a worldwide entity.

I am sure many of them have a dual U.S./Israeli passport.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama Warns not to challenge Official 9/11 Story

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That the dirty masses need a good regulatin'.

Absolutely.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

30 Shekels a day.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The link to Patriots for 9/11 Truth was already posted to Mr. Clean, yet he acts as if it doesn't exist...

Gee, too bad it hasn't amounted to anything eh?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   14:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not the least of which is the numbers of people awoken to the reality that they are being manipulated via Psychiatric Psych Warfare techniques.

How many more people do you need to wake up in order to get to the "truth?"

There you go.

I'm a little surprised that people can't figure out what you're doing here.

Or maybe I'm wrong.

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, if the government itself lies to members of Congress in regards to an investigation concerning 9/11, it is obviously the government itself that has something to hide.

The government always has something to hide but not everything they want to hide is important.

Seems to me, the government is trying to hide a lot more about the health care takeover than 911.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, can you bring me another cup of coffee while you're at it???

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which location does Mister Clean work out of?

I say it's a 1099 working out of a private lobbyist firm somewhere.

That explains a lot. Minimum wage help is just so minimum. Of course it could be CENTCOM as well. In any event a Disinfobot is still a Disinfobot.

Do you think that Mister Clean gets paid in shekels?

Or in pieces of silver.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-11   14:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It just seems to me that you're saying that "truthers" seem to care more about getting converts than getting at the truth.

If that's what you are saying, I agree with you.

If thats not what you're saying, I might not agree.

While I think that is true to an extent, it's not really my point.  My point is that the "truth" movement is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing.  Truthers have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed.  Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

To accuse you of being a plant is out of line, imo, because of one topic you posted, and for expressing your opinion. But these things happen. It happened to me. LOL! And I'm sure there are some here that think I am sitting next to your Langley cubicle, typing away...

I think its hilarious and demonstrative of the narrow mindedness of the typical Truther.  Anyone who challenges their little belief system must be a government agent or an Israeli.  

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   14:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

True.

But IMO the agenda goes deeper than just convincing anyone about 9/11.

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

It's what they did AFTER 9/11 that matters because there is no "conspiracy theory". It happened in broad daylight, nice and "legal".

What I don't like is attaching this to the patriot movement and those that was to see the Constitution restored and lived up to.

It's the minorities that accomplish things. The majority always sleeps.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   14:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While I think that is true to an extent, it's not really my point. My point is that the "truth" movement is going nowhere and accomplishing nothing. Truthers have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed. Their message has not and will not resonate with a majority of Americans and they will never be able to claim any success in their agenda.

The government fairy tale is going nowhere.

The government and government shills have been repeating the same crap over and over for 8 years and nothing has changed. The official story has been proven to be a HUGE lie. The government has not been able to wiggle out of their exposed lies.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   14:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gee, too bad it hasn't amounted to anything eh?

With the news media mute on the topic, or actively ridiculing or ignoring anyone of importance who speaks out concerning 9/11, and active disinformation and propaganda campaigns being utilized against anyone who sees through the BS, along with active disinfo campaigns being employed across any Internet forum that people actually read, it's obvious that it's extraordinarily difficult for something to be done in terms of a new investigation and seeking justice against those actually involved not just in the events of 9/11, but those who have ordered and perpetrated the ongoing coverup.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   14:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We can disagree about that forever and it's not a problem. THe success of it means nothing, because there are other things we do agree on. This whole "truther" movement is a stumbling block to making this country a better place that isn't ruled by sociopaths.

I think the "truth" movement is not much of a stumbling block at all because nobody takes them seriously. Alex Jones is the most visible Truther and he's a complete fool.

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With the news media mute on the topic, or actively ridiculing or ignoring anyone of importance who speaks out concerning 9/11, and active disinformation and propaganda campaigns being utilized against anyone who sees through the BS, along with active disinfo campaigns being employed across any Internet forum that people actually read, it's obvious that it's extraordinarily difficult for something to be done in terms of a new investigation and seeking justice against those actually involved not just in the events of 9/11, but those who have ordered and perpetrated the ongoing coverup.

Excuse making is so unattractive.

Don't you think the number of morons that populate the "truth" movement have proven detrimental to it?

Really, has Alex Jones been of any help to you?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

Yeah, bush/cheney did good things when 911 was happening.

Goodness, you are a good shill. It is easy to see though. You and PSUSA agree, so you both seem to be shilling for someone.

Are you a disgruntal truther switching sides too?

Seems like it.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   15:04:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think the "truth" movement is not much of a stumbling block at all because nobody takes them seriously. Alex Jones is the most visible Truther and he's a complete fool.

That's why I wrote that I didn't like to link this to the patriot movement. It's the patriots that will change things, not truthers. Being linked to the truthers makes the patriots look like fools to the people that are needed as allies. Thank you ALex Jones, you worthless fucking zionist rat bastard.

At least we got to see him shoot himself in the foot this week.

I include myself in the "truther" label too. It's just not that important to me. It's what happened shortly afterward that pisses me off to no end.

I think the real stumbling block are the people (particularly liberals) who look to government to solve problems - they ensure that the worst type of people get elected.

I think that's part of it.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   15:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, bush/cheney did good things when 911 was happening.

I doubt any other president and vice president would have done anything differently.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Aren't you interested yourself in why the last building to fall was barely mentioned and certainly not investigated. No curiosity on your part, if only to try to prevent this mishap from occurring in other buildings?

No.

If you're gonna sin, sin big. ;-)

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-11   15:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I doubt any other president and vice president would have done anything differently.

Yup. No one could have pulled off 911 like those two could have. I am starting to think you aren't a shill. Just kinda dumb.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   15:10:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Heat rises, does it not? Think about it carefully before you answer!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's the patriots that will change things, not truthers.

If you think America is going to get back to Constitutional basics I suggest you rethink that.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yup. No one could have pulled off 911 like those two could have.

Why did they do 911?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:14:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Either that or we start over, all over again. But if that happens, it'll be similar to the first one. Just maybe a little more strongly worded. I'd like to see a MANDATORY immediate death penalty for treason, with free beer afterward.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   15:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So our drift into further socialism will not meet with resistance when the economic House of Cards collapses? Perhaps in your world that's realistic, but not mine.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   15:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Either that or we start over, all over again.

I've come to the conclusion that the USA will be a third world nation in a few years.

I wouldn't worry so much about the country as a whole but worry more about your own status within it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Resistance BUMP!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So our drift into further socialism will not meet with resistance when the economic House of Cards collapses?

Sure there will be resistance but there will not be a return to Constitutional basics here. The "empire" will fall but domestically it will remain largely intact.

Look, the US is full of parasites who think the government should provide them with everything. They're not going away. They vote.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't worry so much about the country as a whole but worry more about your own status within it.

Second that.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-11   15:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't worry so much about the country as a whole but worry more about your own status within it.

That comment would indicate that you are not a PATRIOT, but one the PATRIOTS might have to deal with.

Patriots are not in this for themselves! Your kind of thinking is what got us here in the first place.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:23:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Excuse making is so unattractive.

What do you suggest, knocking on the front door of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and begging the resident to help uncover the truth?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   15:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That comment would indicate that you are not a PATRIOT

Well I do love myself more than America.

I'm grateful I am free to do that.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If the organism that gives the parasites 'things' falters and stalls, they will become enraged and in the end there will be far fewer of them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   15:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What do you suggest, knocking on the front door of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and begging the resident to help uncover the truth?

The 911 "truth" movement is hopeless. The number of kooks in its ranks will make sure it's never taken seriously.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   15:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well I do love myself more than America.

Obviously! You are showing your age.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I wouldn't worry so much about the country as a whole but worry more about your own status within it.

That comment would indicate that you are not a PATRIOT, but one the PATRIOTS might have to deal with.

Like the men that pushed the women and children aside to get in the lifeboats on the Titanic.

Patriots are not in this for themselves!

Exactly.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   15:27:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The number of kooks in its ranks will make sure it's never taken seriously.

That has not stopped the government!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Look, the US is full of parasites who think the government should provide them with everything. They're not going away. They vote. They'll die.

Fixed. Parasites depend on the host. The host will be dead.

They will be lost without Uncle Sugar. No more welfare. No more Mickey D's, No more Jack-in-the-crack. No more Popeyes. And, this will hurt me, no more White Castles.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   15:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They will be lost without Uncle Sugar. No more welfare. No more Mickey D's, No more Jack-in-the-crack. No more Popeyes. And, this will hurt me, no more White Castles.

That's about how it will play out. If they need gov, and gov can't give they will perish.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-11   15:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The number of kooks in its ranks will make sure it's never taken seriously.

I know of another person who used the word "kook" in order to ridicule those involved in seeking truth. You and BAC kissing cousins or something?

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   15:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BTW, the REAL kooks are those who believe the Laws of Physics changed on the morning of 9/11/2001, where physically impossible things became not only possible, but actually occured.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-11   15:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The 911 "truth" movement is hopeless. The number of kooks in its ranks will make sure it's never taken seriously.

The 911 "government fairy tale" is hopeless. The number of stupid and arrogant shills in it's ranks will make sure it is never taken seriously.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   15:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Like the men that pushed the women and children aside to get in the lifeboats on the Titanic.

I can understand the Titanic/America analogy but it's not accurate.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   17:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They will be lost without Uncle Sugar. No more welfare. No more Mickey D's, No more Jack-in-the-crack. No more Popeyes. And, this will hurt me, no more White Castles.

At home, the US government isn't going anywhere.

The clever people with means will shield their wealth as much as possible. The rest of the productive class will get squeezed more.

Canada will be the only first world nation in this hemisphere one day.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   17:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why did they do 911?

Power.Money. Because they were told to.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-11   23:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Power.Money. Because they were told to.

Bush and Cheney already had power and money before 911 so your theory makes no sense.

Now, who told them to do it?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-12   8:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, who told them to do it?

You really don't know? Why, JEWS!!!!! of course. They rule the world!!!!

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-09-12   8:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You really don't know? Why, JEWS!!!!! of course. They rule the world!!!!

Oh my gosh.

I had no idea.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-12   9:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I had no idea.

You got to get your mind right, get into the conspiracist mindset: everything is someone else's fault, and fantasies about blood-drinking shape-shifting reptilian aliens, all-powerful evil JEWS!!! and thousands of traitors pulling off four-remote-controlled planes and explosives in the WTC are a lot more fun and exciting and dramatic than plain ol' boring reality.

There's no place better thanTurtle Island.

Turtle  posted on  2009-09-12   9:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Disgraceful.

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-12   10:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Bush and Cheney already had power and money before 911 so your theory makes no sense.

Bush was in his first term and cheney was head of a company that does contracting for wars and such.

Bush's father is also in the charyle group, a war profiteerig company.

It is not my fault you are ignorant of reality.

The reality is, you are kinda stupid since you have no idea what you are talking about. No wonder you and turdle have so much in common.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   11:07:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The reality is, you are kinda stupid since you have no idea what you are talking about.

Who told Bush and Cheney to carry out 911?

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-12   11:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who told Bush and Cheney to carry out 911?

Who controls the money of this country?

The FED owners of course. Rockefella admitted he knew about 911 beforehand.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   11:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"New Pearl Harbor"

Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor" (51).[13]

In his appearance on Democracy Now!, theologian David Ray Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11, explains the allusion to "the New Pearl Harbor" from the PNAC report in the title of his book, which argues that PNAC members within the Bush Administration were complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.[37]

What is tragic for the PNACers is that after eight long years of bankrupting attempted empire-building after the "catalyzing event," the goal of transforming the Middle East into Greater Israel is as distant as ever. But if you were one of the ones saying on this thread that the U.S. is now or soon will be Third World, I agree.

It is amazing that the majority even now cannot see that "we" committed national economic suicide since 2001 because of the "collective mass psychosis" which enabled spending "whatever it takes" on this doomed-from-the-beginning imperial project.

That $3 to $5 trillion mostly had to be borrowed from the Chinese and others, and now EVERYONE knows we're not good for the loan. It can never be paid back.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-09-12   11:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who controls the money of this country?

Oh wait, you must be one of those "The JEWS did it!" types.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-12   11:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh wait, you must be one of those "The JEWS did it!" types.

The Rothchilds are jews. That is a fact. They control the FED banks. That is a fact.

Sorry if reality is harsh on you. Maybe you should scream "antisemite!" at me and whine about reparations checks?

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   11:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe you should scream "antisemite!" at me and whine about reparations checks?

Nah, I'll just laugh at you.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-12   11:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Nah, I'll just laugh at you.

I didn't know zombies laughed, or had emotions.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   11:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't know zombies laughed, or had emotions.

And they lack curiosity too.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-12   11:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And they lack curiosity too.

I kinda think they are just cowards and in fear that their government could actually be doing things that are not in their own best interests if they thought about it.

But lots of people are living well because of 911.

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   11:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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