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Title: A Tale of Two Joe Wilsons, a Tale of Two Americas
Source: Juan Cole
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Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Juan Cole
Post Date: 2009-09-11 17:03:41 by Brian S
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This is the story of two Joe Wilsons, and two Americas. Both challenged a president, the most powerful man in the free world. One is a liar and the other is a courageous truth-teller. One enjoys impunity for his falsehood and epochal rudeness, bespeaking an America ruled with civility and tolerance. The other was subjected to a ruthless campaign of smears, and the career of his wife was ruined, bespeaking an America controlled by heartless men bent on achieving their nefarious ends by running roughshod over others.

On September 9, 2009, a man named Joe Wilson, a congressman from South Carolina, yelled "You lie!" at the president as he was defending his universal health coverage proposals from nutty rightwing smears.



Joe Wilson, whom the Health Industry lobby has given $244,196 in campaign contributions, was of course himself lying when he implied that President Obama's plan will cover illegal immigrants. It will not.

President Obama graciously accepted Wilson's subsequent apology, even though no modern president has been yelled at that way by a minor rural politician.



On July 6, 2003 another Joe Wilson called a president a liar, in an opinion essay for the New York Times. This Joe Wilson had bravely stared down Saddam Hussein in fall, 1990 as acting ambassador in Baghdad and been commended for his courage by George H. W. Bush.




George W. Bush had falsely alleged in his State of the Union Speech that Iraq had recently bought yellowcake uranium from the West African country of Niger. The allegation was based on a clumsily forged document that had been discounted by the CIA and was proven false within 24 hours when finally shared with the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Wilson's complaint that the assertion had been false and that he had shown it false before the war was deeply embarrassing to the Bush administration. It responded by smearing Wilson and then attempting to out his wife, Valerie Plame, as an undercover CIA operative working against Iran's nuclear program. Plame's career was destroyed and all her known agents and contacts around the world were burned; some of them may have quietly been killed (we have no way of knowing). Ultimately, the truth of the anti-Wilson, anti-Plame campaign came out and Richard Bruce Cheney's chief of staff, was found guilty of an attempted cover-up. Cheney had ordered the outing of Plame; it happened via another route, but Cheney was conniving at it. Cheney is a traitor and should be rotting in jail.



Note that the first Joe Wilson was dead wrong, but that the Obama administration responded in a gentlemanly way to his charge.

The Bush-Cheney administration, in contrast, attempted to besmirch the reputation and the life of a dedicated lifetime civil servant because he spoke the truth to the president.

The story of the two Joe Wilsons and how they were treated is the story of two visions of America. The Bush-Cheney vision is a nightmarish landscape of blighted lives and cruel indifference to basic human decency. The Obama vision is just the Golden Rule, with which the people who vote for the evil Joe Wilson typically profess acquaintance.

The evil Joe Wilson (R-SC) is the remnant of Cheneyism in this new America, painfully being born from the rubble made by the old. He needn't remain in office, defiling the halls of the Congress of the United States of America. He has an opponent in the next election, Rob Miller, an Iraq War veteran. An honorable man. Here is his campaign site.

We only need the one kind of Joe Wilson, the one who shouts "truth" to lies; not the one who shouts "lies" to the truth.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

http://www.roguegovernment.com/Who_took_the_picture_of_Joe_Wilson%3F_And_how%3F_/17224/0/10/10/Y/M.html

Who took the picture of Joe Wilson? And how?
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So here's what I don't understand. If Joe Wilson's outburst during Obama's speech Wednesday night was truly "spontaneous," as Wilson claims, and no one (including Wilson himself) could have anticipated it, how come there is a sharply focused and neatly centered picture of Wilson right at the moment he shouted "You lie!" when the outburst lasted less than a second? In the picture, Wilson's mouth is still open, apparently in the middle of his shouting "lie."

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There are 535 members of Congress in attendance during the joint session, plus a few extras like Michelle Obama and Vicki Kennedy. Until last night, Wilson was just about the least well known member of Congress. Why did someone have a camera fixed and focused on him during Obama's speech? The picture in question has been variously credited to "Getty Images," "AFP" (Agence France-Presse) or "Chip Somodevilla." None of them are local press in South Carolina, which might have had a reason to pay particular attention to their local Congressman during the speech. I doubt local press photographers are allowed in the joint session of Congress during a Presidential speech anyway.

Think about it. If you were one of the (probably) dozen press photographers in the chamber last night, generally taking pictures of the Congressmen and Senators during the speech, and if you suddenly heard a two-word, one-second outburst coming from somewhere in the chamber, uttered by one of the 535 members of Congress (okay, one of the Republicans), there is no way you could take a (well focused and neatly centered) picture of the culprit during the second word of the outburst. Whoever took the picture must have anticipated the outburst.

This is the question that Albert Brooks asked about William Hurt in Broadcast News, which eventually ended the relationship between Hurt and Holly Hunter. I just don't see how the picture could be possible. How can you capture someone's "spontaneous" moment, when there are more than 535 other people around to pay attention to?


It's related

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   17:06:07 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PSUSA (#1)

How can you capture someone's "spontaneous" moment, when there are more than 535 other people around to pay attention to?

Crop and zoom?

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Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-11   17:47:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#2)

Possible.

It looks like a very clear pic though. I'd expect to see some pixelation.


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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-11   17:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#0)

The story of the two Joe Wilsons and how they were treated is the story of two visions of America. The Bush-Cheney vision is a nightmarish landscape of blighted lives and cruel indifference to basic human decency. The Obama vision is just the Golden Rule, with which the people who vote for the evil Joe Wilson typically profess acquaintance.

This writer is an Obama worshiping fool.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   18:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Brian S (#0)

BS. Clinton and Bush were both booed. OBAMA IS A LIAR. ILLEGAL ALIENS WILL GET FREE MEDICAL CARE UNDER THE VARIOUS PROPOSED BILLS. HE LIED ABOUT THE CUTS TO MEDICARE.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2009-09-11   19:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S (#0)

President Obama graciously accepted Wilson's subsequent apology, even though no modern president has been yelled at that way by a minor rural politician.

And I'll cry a river over you, knucklehead.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-11   19:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Horse (#5)

BS. Clinton and Bush were both booed. OBAMA IS A LIAR

Facts don't count, someone's feeling hurt. What kind of monster are you?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-11   19:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Dakmar (#7)

n 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

The only 'extremism' dangerous to America which exists within the U.S. Armed Forces (and the Government as a whole), but NEVER DISCUSSED openly is that of the Zionists.

How America was 'seduced' into the 'special relationship' with 'Israel' is a real conspiracy worthy of revelation.

O'bomber is just one more of the steady stream of 'presidents' who bend over to the Israeli penetration.

Liar? Absolutely!!

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-09-11   20:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#8)

The only 'extremism' dangerous to America which exists within the U.S. Armed Forces (and the Government as a whole), but NEVER DISCUSSED openly is that of the Zionists.

run, rabbit run...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-11   20:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA (#1)

So here's what I don't understand. If Joe Wilson's outburst during Obama's speech Wednesday night was truly "spontaneous," as Wilson claims, and no one (including Wilson himself) could have anticipated it, how come there is a sharply focused and neatly centered picture of Wilson right at the moment he shouted "You lie!" when the outburst lasted less than a second?

Any modern professional camera can take several pictures per second in very high resolution. Many can transmit wirelessly encrypted to a computer like a laptop.

Even with only a dozen cameras shooting non-stop, you could cover a crowd of 550, tightly packed with at photo at least every couple of seconds of every one of them.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-09-11   22:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Dakmar (#7)

I am a monster because I do not want to be forced to buy insurance from a liar?

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Horse  posted on  2009-09-12   0:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA, christine, F16Fighter, packrat1145, Joe Btfsplk, Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, X-15, TwentyTwelve, Refinersfire, SonOfLiberty, palo verde, Lysander_Spooner, Prefrontal Vortex, Original_Intent, TommyTheMadArtist, abraxas, KinkoTheKlown, Flintlock (#1)

If Joe Wilson's outburst during Obama's speech Wednesday night was truly "spontaneous," as Wilson claims, and no one (including Wilson himself) could have anticipated it, how come there is a sharply focused and neatly centered picture of Wilson right at the moment he shouted "You lie!" when the outburst lasted less than a second? In the picture, Wilson's mouth is still open, apparently in the middle of his shouting "lie."

There are 535 members of Congress in attendance during the joint session, plus a few extras like Michelle Obama and Vicki Kennedy. Until last night, Wilson was just about the least well known member of Congress. Why did someone have a camera fixed and focused on him during Obama's speech?

Whoever took the picture must have anticipated the outburst.

Explanation:

Joe Wilson has an odd little physical quirk. He points his finger when he yawns. Weird.

Someone wanted a picture of that ...... it's such a rare kind of thing for a guy to do.

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By the way ........ I'm still awaiting Obama's apology to the police officer, the one he basically called stupid.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-09-12   1:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA (#1)

Why did someone have a camera fixed and focused on him during Obama's speech?

Have you ever been to the capital when there is something big going on?

There are more cameras than god. Keep hacking at those branches....

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Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   2:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#10)

Any modern professional camera can take several pictures per second in very high resolution. Many can transmit wirelessly encrypted to a computer like a laptop.

Even with only a dozen cameras shooting non-stop, you could cover a crowd of 550, tightly packed with at photo at least every couple of seconds of every one of them.

PSUSA just got cable last year and still uses the outhouse.

You are going to have to take it slow with this one....

http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.

Clitora  posted on  2009-09-12   2:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Clitora (#14)

PSUSA just got cable last year and still uses the outhouse.

You are going to have to take it slow with this one....

LOL!

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-12   7:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#10)

Any modern professional camera can take several pictures per second in very high resolution. Many can transmit wirelessly encrypted to a computer like a laptop.

Even with only a dozen cameras shooting non-stop, you could cover a crowd of 550, tightly packed with at photo at least every couple of seconds of every one of them.

That could be. It sounds reasonable.

I just think he's a pussy for apologizing. He did nothing wrong. But I bet he is the type to apologize profusely to cupcake for every little thing SHE did.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-12   7:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA (#16)

Did you see he just filed adjusted statements of assets and liabilities, obviously a little worried that he might get investigated.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-09-12   11:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TooConservative (#17)

I saw the headline.

It must be a slow news kind of a day.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-09-12   12:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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