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Title: The Delusions of the Conspiracist
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Sep 11, 2009
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2009-09-11 18:43:27 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 528
Comments: 30

A conspiracist is someone who believes in an impossible conspiracy, i.e., remote-controlled airplanes, explosives in the WTC, thousands of traitors planning it and pulling it off perfectly, disappearing, and none of them ever saying a word for the rest of their lives.

Among the many problems of the conspiracist is that all unwittingly engage in the fallacy of post hoc, ergo propter hoc: because possible conspiracies do exist (a few people getting together to kill Jimmy Hoffa), therefore impossible ones exist (the 9-11 Truthers).

Another problem none of them realize they have is that conspiracies are determined by whether or not the politician is Republican or Democrat.

An example: if it had been Richard Nixon in that limousine instead of John Kennedy, there would no belief in a conspiracy to kill him. Only Democrats are the victims of conspiracies, while Republicans are the perpetrators.

If it had been Nixon killed, many people would have cheered, making jokes about why it took Oswald three shots to kill him. Never mind the fact Nixon was a far better man than Kennedy -- they were both lousy Presidents. Nixon was an unattrative man with a ski-jump nose and a sweaty upper lip. Kennedy, on the other hand, was a handsome, charismatic man.

Need more proof? When Squeaky Fromme tried to kill Ford, not a word about conspiracy. Why? Republican. When John Hickley did shoot Reagan, again, not a word about conspiracies. Why? Again, Republican.

Had 9-11 happened on Clinton's watch, there would be no Truther movement, because no one would believe that Clinton, a cracker white-trash serial rapist who should have gotten life in prison, would do such a terrible thing to the U.S.

Yet Bush, an unpleasant and unattractive man with beady little eyes...is a Republican. And there is not one word (and there never will be) that Clinton ws part of the 9-11 "conspiracy."

In the last 50 years, one Democrat killed -- he was the victim of a conpiracy! Two attempts on Republicans -- not a word. 9-11 happened on a Republican's watch -- he was the perpetrator.

Just watch -- if anything happens on Obama's watch, there will be not one word about a conspiracy.

Such are the delusions of the conspiracist.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

A conspiracist is someone who believes in an impossible conspiracy

Turtle...

Wrong. You need to update your hill billy dictionary.

con·spir·a·cist (kn-spîr-sst)

n.

One holding a conspiracy theory.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-09-11   18:48:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

BS

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2009-09-11   19:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle (#0)

A conspiracist is someone who believes in an impossible conspiracy, i.e., remote-controlled airplanes, explosives in the WTC, thousands of traitors planning it and pulling it off perfectly, disappearing, and none of them ever saying a word for the rest of their lives.

The sad part is that they have you duped. Remember who controls the media and remember who is glad the U.S. invaded Iraq. They are praying we will invade Iran soon.

I expect from you to be exactly like the toothless hillbilly in the movie Deliverance, the one who sodomized the character played by Ned Beatty. You clearly aren't thinking with the right head. Can you say retard?

LACUMO  posted on  2009-09-11   19:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#0)


~ am curious, what do you think of the record breaking Put Options pre-ceding 911? ~ I'm talking very large, record breaking bets on the stock market that something bad was about to happen to these airlines? That's a non-partisan question and hints that someone knew something ... of course, they could have just been real clever investors spotting trends and then cooincedently getting it right.

investigators study/provide docuements outlining unprecedented trading at extraordinary levels.


~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~

Amandil  posted on  2009-09-11   19:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#0)

Had 9-11 happened on Clinton's watch, there would be no Truther movement, because no one would believe that Clinton, a cracker white-trash serial rapist who should have gotten life in prison, would do such a terrible thing to the U.S.

There was plenty of conspiracy theorizing about Oklahoma City.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-11   19:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Turtle (#0)

About Pearl Harbor. FDR was aware of American governmental documents, more than ten days prior, that offered proof that the Japanese were going to attack. Roosevelt knowingly sacrificed American lives in order to enter the war on the side of England. Lots of material is available, but the best is offered by Srennet in Day of Deceit.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   19:33:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Amandil (#4)

Excellent MIHOP information. Thanks.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-11   19:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#1)

A conspiracist is someone who believes in an impossible conspiracy

A Conspi-Racist is really a Zionist in drag.

Washington of the District of Columbia is literally awash with them.

As is also Brooklyn of the Prospect Park of New York City.

Both of those places bear strong resemblances to a Zoo.

Nice places to visit but who'd really want to live there?

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-09-11   19:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

About Pearl Harbor. FDR was aware of American governmental documents, more than ten days prior, that offered proof that the Japanese were going to attack. Roosevelt knowingly sacrificed American lives in order to enter the war on the side of England. Lots of material is available, but the best is offered by Srennet in Day of Deceit.

FDR's role in the 'attack' on Pearl Harbor was far more insidious than mere 'awareness' of governmental documents. The 'attack' was FDR's primary goal and was the consequence of the embargo of Japan. FDR actually began the 'war' with Japan long before the 'attack' provided the 'excuse' he was seeking to declare war formally.

FDR was one, of several, Zionist presidents whose primary objective was to get all the 'ducks in a row' to finalize the 'magical' formation of the 'State of Israel.'

Zionist are always prepared to 'sacrifice' whoever they must to reach their goals.

Remember the 'rule of thumb:' A Jewish life is worth at least 1000 Goyim lives.

And never forget it!

SCPO Blackshoe Retired  posted on  2009-09-11   20:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Turtle (#0)

The Delusions of a Narcissist

A pattern of traits and behaviors which signify infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition.

2big2fail  posted on  2009-09-11   20:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SCPO Blackshoe Retired (#9)

Right you are, SCPO, and if PH isn't the working definition of a conspiracy, one doesn't exist.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   20:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Turtle (#0)

Polling Data

When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

- Many adults in the United States believe the current federal government has not been completely forthcoming on the issue of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, according to a poll by the New York Times and CBS News. 53 per cent of respondents think the Bush administration is hiding something, and 28 per cent believe it is lying.

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.


The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-09-11   20:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: IRTorqued (#12)

Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S. president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002.

So the 16 Percenters aren't to be taken seriously?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   20:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Turtle (#0)

The Delusions of the........SHEEP.

Apparently we have a sheep masquerading as a turtle........

Do as you are told. Do not question the government. Do as Big Bro says, ignore the dystopia around you. Carry on with the silly notion of some distinction between within the two party fraud. Divert any relevant discourse on any matter to red v. blue, coservative v. liberals, ad homs and circular arguements. Whatever you do, don't think critically about any issue, especially if the government has already signed off on the script.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-11   20:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas, Turtle (#14)

Apparently we have a sheep masquerading as a turtle........

I don't think so. 9/11 is not an easy table to come to. You can understand the conspiracy yet not believe this part. It is a hard pill to swallow.


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-11   21:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

Only Democrats are the victims of conspiracies, while Republicans are the perpetrators.

Not quite true. It has been alleged that Reagan was shot by his own SS. And these things go back to Lincoln who was of course Republican.


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-11   21:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend (#16)

turtle is herbert

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-11   21:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: farmfriend (#15)

I don't think so. 9/11 is not an easy table to come to. You can understand the conspiracy yet not believe this part. It is a hard pill to swallow.

I'm not referring to the disparity in the alternatives suggested as to the events of 911. I'm referring to the disparity within the government account for the events on that day. IMO, it is extremely difficult to come to the conclusion that the government account is any sort of pill that can be swallowed due to the holes that a person could drive a 737 through, such as a complete and total failure to assess the information gathered in Able Danger, a complete breach of the most protected airspace on the planet and the collapse of building number 7 that is a complete ommission within the government assessment.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-11   21:06:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#15)

I don't think so. 9/11 is not an easy table to come to. You can understand the conspiracy yet not believe this part. It is a hard pill to swallow.

I get 9-11 ff, but to believe conspiracy (any conspiracy) hasn't been part of our, and other governments, for ages, is to deny reality. I was 13 when JFK was assassinated and I realized after Oswald was killed something stunk. I later did an entire semester of course work studying that and other conspiracies. They exist and only a tiny minority of people feel the government is always truthful.

Remember the Maine; to hell with Spain!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-11   21:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: WarmFriend, all (#15)

I don't think so. 9/11 is not an easy table to come to.

table?

tablet?

fable?

Help us out here, WF.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-11   21:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend, abraxas, Turtle (#15)

Apparently we have a sheep masquerading as a turtle........

I don't think so. 9/11 is not an easy table to come to. You can understand the conspiracy yet not believe this part. It is a hard pill to swallow.

With ALL of the evidence posted on this forum it would almost be impossible to totally believe the official fairytale.

Sheeple are very dangerous. The NWO loves sheeple.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-11   21:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

They exist and only a tiny minority of people pinheads feel the government is always truthful.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-11   21:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Turtle (#0)

Just watch -- if anything happens on Obama's watch, there will be not one word about a conspiracy.

You're right.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-11   21:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

as seriously as the thirteen percent group of kO0Ks who lemminged with baalzabush to the end.


The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2009-09-11   21:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mister Clean (#5)

A lot of the names in the Oklahoma City Bombing, show up in 9-11. Take from that what you will.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-09-11   22:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: LACUMO (#3)

the toothless hillbilly in the movie Deliverance

You guys are aware that Hollyweird has actually made a few other movies as well? LOL.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-09-11   22:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Turtle, Bob Wallace (#0)

You writing articles like this just shows how deluded and full of s**t you are.

Respectfully.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-09-11   22:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#20)

Help us out here, WF.

Table. LOL


"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-09-11   23:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: farmfriend (#28)

Honestly, I had not a clue as to what you were saying.

Thanks for the help.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-09-11   23:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Turtle (#0)

I generally do not believe in conspiracy theorys. I'm sure that makes me a minority here. Ohhhh well. If anyone wants to insult me as they did Turtle, go ahead. I do not value your opinion anyway, if insults are all you have.

That said, the 9-11 conspiracy theorys do bring up some interesting questions. There certainly were some strange things that happened. Are those strange things indicative of some evil conspiracy, or just oddities?

Truthfully, theorists dont know. Neither do I.

-------
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2009-09-12   3:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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