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Title: Truthers Wasting Their Lives
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Published: Sep 13, 2009
Author: Turtle
Post Date: 2009-09-13 19:25:20 by Turtle
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Views: 1192
Comments: 25

The Kennedy conspiracists have been holding a trial in their heads on going on 50 years, and have accomplished absolutely nothing. If they had any evidence at all (which they do nogt), there would be indictments, convictions, etc.

The same will happen to the "Truthers" (sic). They have no evidence, and they never will. There will never be confessions, indictments, and convictions. Never.

Yet "Truthers" (sic) will be never give up, to the day they die.

In a hundred years they will be forgotten, just the way people have forgotten about the belief it is the Olympic at the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic.

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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

The same will happen to the "Truthers" (sic). They have no evidence, and they never will. There will never be confessions, indictments, and convictions. Never.

Exactly. This is why I call the "truth" movement a zombie movement. All they do is stagger around while the living whiz by.

Mister Clean  posted on  2009-09-13   19:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

was this guy a nut too? ~ he saw it, knew it and tried warning us about it all


~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~

Amandil  posted on  2009-09-13   19:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Turtle, Turdle, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, all (#0)

The Kennedy conspiracists have been holding a trial in their heads on going on 50 years, and have accomplished absolutely nothing. If they had any evidence at all (which they do nogt), there would be indictments, convictions, etc.

A most interesting post. Not so much for what it purports to say but for what it says about the entity that posted it. When someone posts a psychologically manipulative post my first reaction is not is it true but what is its actual purpose? A false statement such as "if they had any evidence at all" blah, blah, the corrupt politico-legal system would investigate and indict itself, and then sentence themselves to long terms in prison. Turdle you are a most dishonest person. Heretofore I've ignored you mostly, but when you become openly manipulative such as with this then it piques my interest.

I could analyze the post logically and point out the false logic, and it is present, as it presumes a premise not in evidence i.e., that the legal and judicial system is honest and interested in the truth. That IS an unproved premise. Further it uses an unsupported assertion which is supported by nothing other than the attempt to twist people's minds i.e., "If they had any evidence at all".

However, more interesting is to ask what is the intent of the post?

Is it to stir discussion? No, I don't think so. The form and statement are not right - you do not provoke rational discussion by assuming premise that is false to base the discussion upon.

However, if one wanted to preach defeatism, "give up", "it doesn't matter what the truth is", "don't look at the man behind the curtain", "you can't succeed" and the other "accept failure" implications of the post then this would be the form such a psychological bomb a PsyOp meme would take.

I just love the false simile i.e., "In a hundred years they will be forgotten, just the way people have forgotten about the belief it is the Olympic at the bottom of the ocean, not the Titanic." as it has nothing whatsoever to do with 911 truth. Any argument or hypothesis rises and falls upon the evidence available. We can look at the evidence and compare it against the "Official 911 Conspiracy Theory®" and see readily that the two do not align and that there is a lot of data and phenomena unaccounted for in that "Official Fairy Tale®". We can therefore discard that fairy tale as inadequate and, based upon all the contradictory data, false. So, shills all over the Web nevertheless still try to confuse and obscure the issues with Strawman arguments which say nothing, and do nothing other than make ad hominem attacks while carefully avoiding the issues and supporting facts.

So, Turdle old buddy have you been holding out on us?

Are you merely neurotic?

Or

Are you operating from an agenda?

The layout and structure of your attempted psychological manipulation would seem to suggest the latter. So the question becomes whose agenda are your working from?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-13   19:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#0)

Turtle wasting his life fanning a flame war. Yet he views himself as superior and in some kind of position to judge others......lol.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-13   20:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Turtle (#0)

There will never be confessions, indictments, and convictions.

Is that important?

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-13   22:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Heretofore I've ignored you mostly, but when you become openly manipulative such as with this then it piques my interest.

Yer funny.

Anti-racism is code for white genocide.

The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard

It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-13   22:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Turtle (#0)

The same will happen to the "Truthers" (sic). They have no evidence

What???

Pay attention!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-13   23:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent, Turtle, Mr. Clean (#3)

The layout and structure of your attempted psychological manipulation would seem to suggest the latter. So the question becomes whose agenda are your working from?

And it took the arrival of MEESTER CLEAN on the scene to get him to fess up.. Aaaah poor baby, he was needing his wittle buddy to help him handle the 10 or twelve interested posters here.

And all this in the same news cycle with Charlie Sheen asking certain pertinent questions.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-14   1:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Original_Intent, Turtle, christine (#3)

Nice ass kicking, bud.

It would be different if he offered some plausible arguments in defense of his views.

But in every instance where he could courageously demonstrate critical thinking skills or simply side with the cowardly ninety percentile who dare not disagree with the power he squats to pee every time.

In other words, if he had been a customer of PT Barnum's when the Feejee mermaid was first displayed, he'd have defended the fraud (and insulted any who pointed out the stitching holding the two critters together) because Barnum was the authority figure, and Turtle is entirely too cowardly to ever stand up to those who remind him of his daddy and aggravate his childhood neuroses.....

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"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-14   1:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#3)

NTBT imo...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-09-14   2:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HOUNDDAWG, Turdle (#9)

Thank you.

Yes, poor Turdle is locked in his mental straightjacket one way or another.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-14   3:09:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara (#10)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-14   3:11:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold, Turdle (#8)

And it took the arrival of MEESTER CLEAN on the scene to get him to fess up.. Aaaah poor baby, he was needing his wittle buddy to help him handle the 10 or twelve interested posters here.

Turdle has had his little sullen tantrums before he doesn't cotton too well to being faced down though. He can make have his little hissy fits, but does not seem too inclined to sully his hands with facts.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-14   3:14:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Turtle has switched into an active disinfo role as of late. I think he's been a sleeper here for sometime; I wonder what triggered his transformation into yet another shillster...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-14   10:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)

Turtle has switched into an active disinfo role as of late. I think he's been a sleeper here for sometime; I wonder what triggered his transformation into yet another shillster...

I wonder.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-14   10:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Original_Intent (#3)

So, Turdle old buddy have you been holding out on us?

Are you merely neurotic?

Or

Are you operating from an agenda?

The layout and structure of your attempted psychological manipulation would seem to suggest the latter. So the question becomes whose agenda are your working from?

Great post!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-14   10:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#15)

I think as 4um attracts more people we're going to see a lot more of what we saw on LP...

Thing is, you'd expect it from a new visitor, not someone who's been in his shell here pretty much for the last several years.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-14   10:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker, Turtle, Original_Intent.christine (#14) (Edited)

Turtle has switched into an active disinfo role as of late. I think he's been a sleeper here for sometime; I wonder what triggered his transformation into yet another shillster...

I'm sure that it hasn't escaped your notice that he heaves up quite a few vanity posts.

He sees himself as a clever, interesting individual and his ego self portrait seems to hinge on that belief.

But, it's not enough to be humorous, he also fashions himself a great thinker with the ability to form worthwhile opinions based on nothing but the courage he derives from anonymity.

The only things he reaffirms in my book are that "stupid people don't know they are stupid", and "you are no more entitled to opinions that you cannot validate than you're entitled to merchandise that you cannot pay for."

And to support the assertion that he's really stupid, (and that I'm not merely taking a cheap shot) I offer the fact that he seems to think that trolling and insults constitute validation of his cowardly, uninspired, "spend his life on his knees agreeing with authoritarians" opinions. His trolling is neither humorous nor insightful, and he fails to see that it makes him look desperate in his attempt to prop up his needy self esteem.

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"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-14   11:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: FormerLurker (#14)

Turtle has switched into an active disinfo role as of late. I think he's been a sleeper here for sometime; I wonder what triggered his transformation into yet another shillster...

Don't know. Still analyzing, but he does seem to have gone into full disinfo mode. Maybe it's something in the water? Pug pee?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-14   12:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

Pug pee?

LOL

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-14   12:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#19)

Pug pee?

And DAWGGY dew dew!

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"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-14   12:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21)

And DAWGGY dew dew!

Hee, hee.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-14   12:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HOUNDDAWG, turtle, all (#18)

to prop up his needy self esteem

The turdle person may suffer from a "superiority" complex.

He may also have that "small penis" complex too.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-09-14   12:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: sizzlerguy (#23)

He may also have that "small penis" complex too.

I'm no help with this. I have no experience in spotting those types! ;)

RADIO CAROLINE ONLINE

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-14   12:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sizzlerguy (#23)

He may also have that "small penis" complex too.

A side effect of this is "serious depression".

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-09-14   12:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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