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Title: Film of DC rally (How many does it look like to you?)
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Post Date: 2009-09-14 12:37:53 by christine
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#31. To: christine (#0)
For those who missed it - CSPAN Channel 1 feed coming from the massive 9/12 Rally in Washington D.C. Tune in now:
www.republicmedia.tv (video) The march Saturday was called "Taxpayer March on Washington" and was organized by FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots. I think your assumption that every attendee there was a republican (McCain voter) and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature. Also, how do you know that it wasn't Ron Paul's decision to be in Alvin, Texas this weekend rather than at the DC rally?
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes. The National Taxpayers Union-a legit grassroots organization tea party patriots- a website that is run by anonymous people, but who are "partned" with Michelle Malkin and Red State.com Just look at websites like Free Republic and libertypost. All the statist republicans there are teabaggers. Campaign for Liberty hasn't been hijacked its being ignored. These teabaggers got Glen Beck to listen to.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend? As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters? Not when the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy. If you think people like Army, or Beck actually want to change anything you are mistaken. Its political theater. Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
Agreed, but stopping Obama should be priority #1 If it takes guys like Beck or Armey to get the troops out, I'll take it and be grateful for their efforts. The last time I checked, RON PAUL IS A REPUBLICAN
How does anyone on this forum know what RP thinks about that gathering Saturday? Maybe I have this wrong but his message to me has always been to change the Republican party from within. That's the least favorite method of change for me, but it's obvious that the march wasn't aroused or mobilized by the politics of a Dick Armey or any other establishment R. Armey, et al, might be trying to plant their flag in front of the parade, but IMO the true leadership hasn't yet bubbled up.
You may recall that nine years ago Armey and original bloo dawg Dem Billy Tauzin were touring the nation with the ostensibly bipartisan "SCRAP THE CODE-Adopt A National Sales Tax" tour. Despite the rallies and tee shirt sales (I have one of them-wifey attended some gathering of theirs) it fell by the wayside. When they wanted the investigation into 9/11 to go nowhere they tried to seat Kissinger in the chair. Now they want the status quo to remain unchanged so they sent Dick Armey in to try and lead the uprising so he could walk the unsuspecting hopefuls in circles and then eventually off the nearest cliff of public indifference. Just as when Speaker Dennis Hastert slyly stated that if Bush was re-elected they were going to abolish the income tax, and when Sen. Richard Lugar was testing the presidential waters he said his platform was to be the "abolish the income tax" platform, whenever an ordinary garden variety blue suited PUB hints at abolishing the code/tax or otherwise dethroning some powerful forces you can be sure that he's simply using it as bait, and that none would ever dream of it any more than they'd attempt to limit the powers of their own offices in general and incumbents in particular. Needless to say after Bush's 2nd win there was no more talk of tax relief for working stiffs. In fact Bush actually tried to abolish capital gains and corporate taxes completely and just make it a payroll withholding "federal air tax"! (In exchange for permanent tax relief corporations would be required to collect the tax from all of their employees! Many such as Chase Bank do that already and that's the way they want things to be-the corporate profits/capital gains tax should be a tax for the privilege of slaving for corporations, with the officers' bonuses and golden parachutes being exempt of course) And, after Lugar returned to the senate the burning issue of tax relief for long suffering middle class wage earners never got a moment's time in his office. As a US Senator he could still educate and campaign like Hell against the evils of the income tax, but if it wasn't serving as bait for his presidential run then touching it for our benefit just wasn't a priority for him or any other MC. You can be sure that Dick Armey is available for "inside the wire wrecking crew duty" whenever the powers need a dutiful functionary to kill a movement through simple lack of charismatic leadership or inspiration. Planting his flag is probably what Armey was sent in to do. The last time he killed a movement that had great potential and in the process he never made a single noteworthy soundbite that could be used to damage the FED or their beloved tribute tax.
Ah, but there is no "leadership vacuum" to be filled here. That's one of the nice things about this. Everybody is pissed, as individuals, without being directed or cajoled by some strongman thug to be so. Armey could show up with a bullhorn and I guarantee you most would boo him. He's a sell out and we all know it. It's ok to succeed once in a while without it being a plot or the design of some larger nefarious force. I think we're so used to not succeeding that we have no idea how to act when it happens from time to time. :)
It's ok to succeed once in a while without it being a plot or the design of some larger nefarious force. I think we're so used to not succeeding that we have no idea how to act when it happens from time to time. :) Right. It's actually a good thing that none of the usual suspects can slither in and derail the movement. The down side is, once they're all marched out and it's time to do something, without leadership to limit the platform to reasonable goals it could end up like a Libertarian National Convention. (There was a time when I had hope-filled daydreams about the Libertarian movement. I was much younger and smarter then) But now I can sum up their conventions in two words: cluster coitus Unless a single, meaningful idea can be used to galvanize numerous factions (many of which are inflexible and won't give an inch on their principles or priorities) it'll end up like all the others that had potential but ultimately failed.
Here's the "leader" taking his due credit in an email. (Always remember that nature abhors a vacuum). Dick Armey, FreedomWorks" Reply-To: "Dick Armey, FreedomWorks" Subject: We Did It Date: Mon 09/14/09 06:42 PM Dear Friend, The 9-12 March on Washington has concluded and by any measure it was nothing short of an historic success for the limited government movement. The debate over how many people were actually there is now raging from one extreme to another. Some media reports have gone as high as 2 million, while liberal pundits like David Schuster have thrown out insulting low estimates under 50,000. I believe the truth is that our crowd actually approached 1 million, but you can judge for yourself as coverage of the March will air on CSPAN again tonight at 8 pm EST. No matter the actual number, the 9-12 March on Washington was far and away the largest gathering of limited government conservative activists in history and I want to thank you for helping to make it so. Whether you were there or not, your support was key – your contribution, attendance at a local taxpayer protest in your own community, or your presence in DC is being felt today by the politicians here in the Nation’s Capital. Some may not admit it publicly, but I promise you that even the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barrack Obama himself now know the power that our side represents. We are all exhausted, but it’s imperative that we keep telling the stories, and sharing the images, and connecting the people from all 50 states who spoke with one voice to petition their government. After all, we all worked so hard to send the message to our elected officials: “Silent No More.” To help document this monumental event, over the next few weeks, FreedomWorks will be putting together an online archive of the 9/12 March on Washington. However, if this project is going to be successful, we need your help! Here is how you can help: Tell us your story. If you were at the March, watched it from home, or participated in one of the hundreds of other local taxpayer rallies that took place all over the country, we want to hear from you! Simply email your story to 912dc.org@gmail.com, and don’t forget to include your name (we’ll only publish your first name), age, and location! We will also be sure to get a hard copy hand-delivered to your Senators and Congressman. Send us your pictures and video. Did you take photos or video at the DC March or your local event? If so, we’d like to post them on our archive. To do this, all you need to do is upload your photos to Flickr.com, and videos to YouTube.com, then include the tag “912dc” before saving them. If you have too many photos, or your video is too large, you can mail a CD or DVD to: FreedomWorks, 601 Pennsylvania Ave, NW, North Building, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20004. We need your help to get ready for the coming battles. The health care debate continues to rage and we expect the Left to continue their push for cap and trade and other items on the big government wish-list through the end of this year. We are working to build an infrastructure capable of conducting targeted research and issuing rapid-response calls to action that will make the difference in these fights. In addition, our political battle plan for 2010 is already starting to come together. To give you a sneak preview, this includes another major event in Washington, D.C. and playing in the most high-profile Congressional mid-term races. All of this of course will take significant resources, but that’s what it is going to take to give limited government activists like you the necessary tools to affect change. Click here to support FreedomWorks with your generous contribution. I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up. So while I again congratulate you on the success of 9-12, I remind you that the battle goes on. We can take our government back, but as abolitionist Wendell Phillips famously said, “eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.” FreedomWorks, Dick Armey P.S. Now is no time to rest on our success. Now is no time to slow down. This past Saturday on 9-12, our side came together like never before, but we have to continue building the momentum to be ready for the fights this year and beyond. Please join us and invest in freedom!
#103. To: mininggold (#102)
Excellent find! I love this: _____________________________ "I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up." ______________________ Yeah, let's make sure it fizzles out just like 1994 and when The Young Turks, 72 GOP freshmen shut down the govt in 1995 and their own including Armey turned on them. _______________________ mininggold wrote: "Here's the "leader" taking his due credit in an email. (Always remember that nature abhors a vacuum)." Well said my friend. You're quickly earning a rep as an astute political observer/activist.
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#35. To: robnoel (#31)
#42. To: christine (#35)
FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots.
and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature.
#43. To: Rhino369 (#42)
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes.
#44. To: Flintlock (#43)
Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one
#47. To: Rhino369 (#44)
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Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters?
#51. To: Flintlock, Cynicom, all (#47)
#98. To: Jethro Tull, christine, SonOfLiberty, Flintlock, Cynicom, all (#51)
...R. Armey, et al, might be trying to plant their flag in front of the parade, but IMO the true leadership hasn't yet bubbled up.
#99. To: HOUNDDAWG (#98)
#101. To: SonOfLiberty, Rhino369, christine, Original_Intent, Lod (#99)
Ah, but there is no "leadership vacuum" to be filled here. That's one of the nice things about this. Everybody is pissed, as individuals, without being directed or cajoled by some strongman thug to be so. Armey could show up with a bullhorn and I guarantee you most would boo him. He's a sell out and we all know it.
#102. To: HOUNDDAWG (#101)
Replies to Comment # 102. I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up.
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