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Title: Film of DC rally (How many does it look like to you?)
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Published: Sep 14, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-09-14 12:37:53 by christine
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#31. To: christine (#0)
For those who missed it - CSPAN Channel 1 feed coming from the massive 9/12 Rally in Washington D.C. Tune in now:
www.republicmedia.tv (video) The march Saturday was called "Taxpayer March on Washington" and was organized by FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots. I think your assumption that every attendee there was a republican (McCain voter) and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature. Also, how do you know that it wasn't Ron Paul's decision to be in Alvin, Texas this weekend rather than at the DC rally?
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes. The National Taxpayers Union-a legit grassroots organization tea party patriots- a website that is run by anonymous people, but who are "partned" with Michelle Malkin and Red State.com Just look at websites like Free Republic and libertypost. All the statist republicans there are teabaggers. Campaign for Liberty hasn't been hijacked its being ignored. These teabaggers got Glen Beck to listen to.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend? As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters? Not when the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy. If you think people like Army, or Beck actually want to change anything you are mistaken. Its political theater. Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
Let me give you a not so unrealistic hypothetical. Suppose Obama woke up one day and decided gun ownership wasn't in the best interest of Americans, and subsequently managed to get legislation that nullified our 2nd amendment. Would you stand with a group of that size who was united in opposition, regardless of who was in a leadership role? A simple yes or no will do.
YES! Give me victory, we can figure out who to blame later.
A qualified "yes". The qualification being that those along for the ride are not absolute asshats. For example, if the KKK were openly organizing and pushing all of this, along with skinheads, neo-nazis and stormfront types, then I wouldn't even look in their direction. Since this current movement is more or less leaderless (yes, there are groups jumping on board, but they're not leading, they're jumping on board, which is something the "leader at all cost" left doesn't understand), then I'm ok if they tag along. Lots of conversions to a more libertarian outlook are happening, and that's always a good thing. If we can change a former Dubya supporter into somebody who can finally think for his/herself, then how is that not a net gain? If some aren't "pure", well who the deuce cares? Who is ideologically pure anywhere, where actual live human beings reside? As long as we're all trying to be honest and honorable, I'm ok having them tag along.
IMO, if the KKK, skinheads, Aryan Nations, etc. decided to hold an all expenses paid national conference in Hawaii, they'd have about 100 people show up, and half of those would be feds. They are a SPLC/ADL manufactured fund raising entity, nothing more.
Sure, no question. I was just looking for the most despicable examples. Fill in the blanks for whatever group(s) you may feel fit the definition of utterly grotesque. The power of this entire movement is that it has no real leaders and is organically self organized by individuals of no consequence standing up and saying 'no more'. It's a beautiful example of spontaneous order, in my opinion. Utterly different than how the statists work, who need to be organized by Supreme Leaders and told what to say, when to say it, and where to go.
#56. To: SonOfLiberty (#53)
Yep, I see what's happening the same way. How the leadership vacuum is filled will determine it's future success, or lack thereof.
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#35. To: robnoel (#31)
#42. To: christine (#35)
FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots.
and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature.
#43. To: Rhino369 (#42)
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes.
#44. To: Flintlock (#43)
Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one
#46. To: Rhino369, Flintlock, all (#44)
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#49. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
Would you stand with a group of that size who was united in opposition, regardless of who was in a leadership role? A simple yes or no will do.
#50. To: Flintlock, Jethro Tull (#49)
#52. To: SonOfLiberty (#50)
For example, if the KKK were openly organizing and pushing all of this, along with skinheads, neo-nazis and stormfront types, then I wouldn't even look in their direction.
#53. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
Replies to Comment # 53. The power of this entire movement is that it has no real leaders and is organically self organized by individuals of no consequence standing up and saying 'no more'. It's a beautiful example of spontaneous order, in my opinion.
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