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Title: Film of DC rally (How many does it look like to you?)
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Post Date: 2009-09-14 12:37:53 by christine
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#31. To: christine (#0)
For those who missed it - CSPAN Channel 1 feed coming from the massive 9/12 Rally in Washington D.C. Tune in now:
www.republicmedia.tv (video) The march Saturday was called "Taxpayer March on Washington" and was organized by FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots. I think your assumption that every attendee there was a republican (McCain voter) and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature. Also, how do you know that it wasn't Ron Paul's decision to be in Alvin, Texas this weekend rather than at the DC rally?
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes. The National Taxpayers Union-a legit grassroots organization tea party patriots- a website that is run by anonymous people, but who are "partned" with Michelle Malkin and Red State.com Just look at websites like Free Republic and libertypost. All the statist republicans there are teabaggers. Campaign for Liberty hasn't been hijacked its being ignored. These teabaggers got Glen Beck to listen to.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend? As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one.
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters? Not when the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy. If you think people like Army, or Beck actually want to change anything you are mistaken. Its political theater. Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
Ok, assume you're right for the sake of argument. What would you suggest as an alternative? Many have tried voting for Ron Paul, or Libertarians, or "take your pick". They voted, then they voted again, and voted voted voted voted. And here we are. So much for voting. Now what? What are your ideas? Do you even want there to be ideas or resistance (not a leading question, I'm being genuine)? You offer criticism, which is fine, but do you have more to give than that? If so, what?
You offer criticism, which is fine, but do you have more to give than that? If so, what? The campaign for liberty is actually a good plan. It just shouldn't allow itself to be co-opted by people who clearly are only pretending to agree. A movement filled with intelligent people making rational arguments will eventually grow. At that point the republicans or democrats will change their policy to gain there votes. Right now you guys are putting out on a mere promise of a chance in policy. A change that will not occur. Though the probable outcome is that nothing changes. The republican party has 10 retards for every intelligent conservative.
And what do you suggest? A 20 page ideological purity pre-entrance examination for everybody showing up at protests? Seriously, there's no way to filter, regardless of the group in question. We're not trying to create another debate club, like the Libertarian party. And they did kinda try the whole 'purist' mode, and it kept them marginalized. What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness. Yes yes, hangers on and flag planting wannabes are here trying to co-opt, but it's not taking. Not yet anyway. There is no way to get purity of ideas AND have a mass movement capable of changing the course of a society. Even the statists cannot achieve this, there is plenty of disagreement in their ranks, however, they are able to put up a unified front (albeit well directed and full of Strongmen Wannabes issuing orders) when they want something done. Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists. That seems to be the only real goal that everybody agrees on. With that agreement in mind, we're achieving just that. Obama's term thus far has been an utter train wreck, precisely at a time in history when he should be able to line up every plank of the socialist party/fascist party and get them passed without opposition. Something to think about. We can stop him and his lackeys now, or we can perform anal examinations on each incoming person wanting to help, testing for ideological purity.
Why not just allow them to have their way with us. This method should propel some REAL change fairly quickly.
Because the goal should NOT be to have a civil war, that's why. If you can stop them dead in their tracks without a drop of blood being spilled, that is ALWAYS preferable to letting them put a boot on our collective necks such that we rise up and kill them. Violence in the real world is not fun, or an adventure. It's horrible, gruesome and revolting. It should never be wished for as a first order of business, and only used as a last recourse when all other options have been tried. So far, we're winning. There's no other way to see it. We've shot down every fascist attempt since Barry and Co. took office. With a full majority in Congress, both house and senate, they still can't get their dream list passed, a dream list which they all pretty much want. That's something. That's power. Our power. As a former soldier, as a person who respects, admires and practices many tenants of the warrior culture, I'm still utterly aware of how devastating society wide violence would be. We don't want that here, if we can avoid it. Giving up when victory is standing there inviting you to a big ol' smooch is absurd.
Please explain your paradoxical perspective.
Well, it's not a paradox. What bill that Obama has pushed, since we've organized, has passed into law thus far? Cap & Trade - DOA. Government run medicine - DOA. ACORN is being defunded as I understand it. He got in a few shots with taking over the auto industry, right at the very beginning before were mobilized ourselves, once that happened, his batting average hit 0.0.
But those are new bills and organizations. His next renewed approach is a revised immigration bill immediately following 0bamaCare. The endless onslaught of BS is increasing not decreasing. I think you have a some sunglasses on.
You're talking about what you think might happen in the future. And there's no way to measure effect or impact on events which have not yet happened. Success or failure can only be judged by what has already happened. Using that, we're winning so far. What may or may not happen in the future is speculative at best right now. Only time will tell how we prevail or go down in flames. What I do know, however, is that throwing up our hands and saying "I surrender" before we've even acted is silly. If you cannot fight when violence is not on the table, there's no way you'll fight when it's the only option left. Men are doing the heavy lifting right now to avoid a fight, despite the gasoline pouring administration's efforts to make it otherwise. Give up if you want. Not my place to stop you.
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#35. To: robnoel (#31)
#42. To: christine (#35)
FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots.
and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature.
#43. To: Rhino369 (#42)
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes.
#44. To: Flintlock (#43)
Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one
#45. To: Rhino369 (#44)
#68. To: SonOfLiberty (#45)
Many have tried voting for Ron Paul, or Libertarians, or "take your pick". They voted, then they voted again, and voted voted voted voted. And here we are. So much for voting. Now what? What are your ideas? Do you even want there to be ideas or resistance (not a leading question, I'm being genuine)?
#72. To: Rhino369 (#68)
#73. To: SonOfLiberty (#72)
Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists.
#77. To: buckeroo (#73)
Why not just allow them to have their way with us. This method should propel some REAL change fairly quickly.
#81. To: SonOfLiberty (#77)
So far, we're winning. There's no other way to see it.
#84. To: buckeroo (#81)
#85. To: SonOfLiberty (#84)
#86. To: buckeroo (#85)
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