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Let me give you a not so unrealistic hypothetical. Suppose Obama woke up one day and decided gun ownership wasn't in the best interest of Americans, and subsequently managed to get legislation that nullified our 2nd amendment. Would you stand with a group of that size who was united in opposition, regardless of who was in a leadership role? A simple yes or no will do.

No, I won't allow myself to join the Nazi's because the Commies are coming or vice versa.

Though if the leadership was the leadership who are in charge of the tea parties, yes I would. It would have to be a pretty extreme leader for me not to. KKK, Nazi, Communist, Fundamentalist Christian theocracy, that type of stuff.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   10:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, why would the MSM attempt to suggest it was a factor of ten less than what it was? Aren't these guys interested in BIG_STORIES any more? It is amazing to me, that we have to go outside the nation to find any accuracy in reporting anymore.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-09-15   10:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And what do you suggest? A 20 page ideological purity pre-entrance examination for everybody showing up at protests?

Seriously, there's no way to filter, regardless of the group in question.

We're not trying to create another debate club, like the Libertarian party. And they did kinda try the whole 'purist' mode, and it kept them marginalized.

What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness. Yes yes, hangers on and flag planting wannabes are here trying to co-opt, but it's not taking. Not yet anyway.

There is no way to get purity of ideas AND have a mass movement capable of changing the course of a society. Even the statists cannot achieve this, there is plenty of disagreement in their ranks, however, they are able to put up a unified front (albeit well directed and full of Strongmen Wannabes issuing orders) when they want something done.

Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists. That seems to be the only real goal that everybody agrees on. With that agreement in mind, we're achieving just that. Obama's term thus far has been an utter train wreck, precisely at a time in history when he should be able to line up every plank of the socialist party/fascist party and get them passed without opposition.

Something to think about. We can stop him and his lackeys now, or we can perform anal examinations on each incoming person wanting to help, testing for ideological purity.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   10:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists.

Why not just allow them to have their way with us. This method should propel some REAL change fairly quickly.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-09-15   11:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Agreed, but stopping Obama should be priority #1

Stopping him from what? Look at Obama's tenure in office, he's pretty much been a moderate version of Bush. The question is why are all the Bushbots protesting what Bush did when it happens to be Obama? Because they are ignorant party shills. Thinking that they are engaging in some political revolution is really stupid. If Obama happened to be a republican, they'd be claiming he is single handedly saving America from economic ruin. They aren't rational people and they should be ignored.

If it takes guys like Beck or Armey to get the troops out, I'll take it and be grateful for their efforts.

They aren't "getting the troops out" they are the generals leading them. So if you do beat Obama, the teabagging army will just vote in people Beck and Army tell them to.

What you do when you ally yourself with people like Beck and Armey, is you lose all credibility with anyone who can rub two brain cells together. Its the reason why the youngest generation's best and brightest aren't going to be conservatives.

The last time I checked, RON PAUL IS A REPUBLICAN

In name only.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   11:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Goldi just posted this one about crowd estimates on elPee....

69.55.11.240/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=273390&Disp=0

This sort of debate about the size of the crowds always occurs at a large event. I heard many quoting upwards of a million while I was on the street and on the Metro. I don't know.

When I got back to the hotel and checked the Internet the first story I saw was WaPo reporting 10s of thousands...I knew the fix was in.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-09-15   11:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and, let me remind folks that he's doing an event with Michelle Bachmann.

An establishment republican. Who until Obama got elected didn't give a shit about liberty. You are proving my point.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   11:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why not just allow them to have their way with us. This method should propel some REAL change fairly quickly.

Because the goal should NOT be to have a civil war, that's why. If you can stop them dead in their tracks without a drop of blood being spilled, that is ALWAYS preferable to letting them put a boot on our collective necks such that we rise up and kill them.

Violence in the real world is not fun, or an adventure. It's horrible, gruesome and revolting. It should never be wished for as a first order of business, and only used as a last recourse when all other options have been tried.

So far, we're winning. There's no other way to see it. We've shot down every fascist attempt since Barry and Co. took office. With a full majority in Congress, both house and senate, they still can't get their dream list passed, a dream list which they all pretty much want. That's something. That's power. Our power.

As a former soldier, as a person who respects, admires and practices many tenants of the warrior culture, I'm still utterly aware of how devastating society wide violence would be. We don't want that here, if we can avoid it.

Giving up when victory is standing there inviting you to a big ol' smooch is absurd.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Not really. Maybe WE'RE the ones converting people. It happens. Individuals change their minds when presented with reason. Without our movement, Bachmann may have stayed the same as she was. Our views are still political suicide, to an insider, so her taking them up isn't quite as pat as you'd think.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I also find it interesting that 0bama skipped out of town that day. But his "speeches" in Minnesota were covered BIG_TIME. Tehese are the moments in history that we are lucky to see wherein the nation is imploding right before our eyes. Don't forget to tell your grand children about these events. The goal is to rebuild society as quick as we can without the nuisance of lies and propaganda fettering the future, too.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-09-15   11:13:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness.

No but they aren't. They are using libertarian talking points on certain issues, but entirely disregard it everywhere else. This is how Glen Beck republicans can claim liberty for stock brokers, and health care, yet call for tyranny on the 4th amendment, terrorism, or war.

Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists.

The closest thing to fascists in our political spectrum are people like Glenn Beck. Progressives are socialists. Progressives aren't fascists. They may both be tyrannical but that is just about where their similarities end.

These new republican allies still support a police state, still support a military state, they just want corporations to profit it from it more.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   11:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So far, we're winning. There's no other way to see it.

Please explain your paradoxical perspective.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-09-15   11:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ok, we're all unthinking dupes and only you see it right. Government direction and policy dictation of the means of production while private hands hold deeds is now socialism and not fascism like it's always been in the past.

We're all blind.

My mistake.

Sorry to bother you.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I also find it interesting that 0bama skipped out of town that day. But his "speeches" in Minnesota were covered BIG_TIME.

When I returned to the Virginia side I stopped to imbibe and watch some college football at restaurant/bar. One of the TVs was tuned to CNN and they had Obama in Minnesota speaking juxtaposed with the DC rally for a minute or two.

I don't think it was a coincidence that Obama left town and visited a friendly state with a big turnout to dampen the DC rally coverage.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-09-15   11:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, it's not a paradox.

What bill that Obama has pushed, since we've organized, has passed into law thus far? Cap & Trade - DOA. Government run medicine - DOA. ACORN is being defunded as I understand it. He got in a few shots with taking over the auto industry, right at the very beginning before were mobilized ourselves, once that happened, his batting average hit 0.0.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But those are new bills and organizations. His next renewed approach is a revised immigration bill immediately following 0bamaCare.

The endless onslaught of BS is increasing not decreasing. I think you have a some sunglasses on.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-09-15   11:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're talking about what you think might happen in the future. And there's no way to measure effect or impact on events which have not yet happened. Success or failure can only be judged by what has already happened. Using that, we're winning so far.

What may or may not happen in the future is speculative at best right now. Only time will tell how we prevail or go down in flames. What I do know, however, is that throwing up our hands and saying "I surrender" before we've even acted is silly. If you cannot fight when violence is not on the table, there's no way you'll fight when it's the only option left. Men are doing the heavy lifting right now to avoid a fight, despite the gasoline pouring administration's efforts to make it otherwise.

Give up if you want. Not my place to stop you.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ok, we're all unthinking dupes and only you see it right.

Most of you are unthinking dupes yes.

Government direction and policy dictation of the means of production while private hands hold deeds is now socialism and not fascism like it's always been in the past.

That is not the definition of fascism. Facism is an authoritarian nationalist ideology, that is economic policy is corporatism.

Some republicans are fascists, but the leaders aren't really. They lack the nationalism. They are merely corporatists. But people like Glen Beck are (or most accurately pretend to be, Glen Beck is an actor) fascists.

Socialism has a historical definition and a more common definition. The historical definition is government control of the means of production and egalitarian distribution of wealth. Under that definition the democrats are not socialists, and neither is Europe. The second more commonly used definition of socialism, is a mixed economy, with a welfare state. This is the type of socialists democrats are. And every industrialized nation is socialized, according to this definition, to varying degrees.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   11:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Most of you are unthinking dupes yes.

We're done.

Thanks for the discussion.

Later.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We're done.

Thanks for the discussion.

Later.

Bye.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   11:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness. Yes yes, hangers on and flag planting wannabes are here trying to co-opt, but it's not taking. Not yet anyway.

that's what i'm seeing. i'm as cynical as the next (or at least as cynical as cyni), but in this case, because of the number of participants at townhalls and the teaparties who i saw and heard were anti-tyranny and big government, i'm going to allow myself a little optimism.

great post, SoL

christine  posted on  2009-09-15   11:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that's what i'm seeing. i'm as cynical as the next (or at least as cynical as cyni), but in this case, because of the number of participants at townhalls and the teaparties who i saw and heard were anti-tyranny and big government, i'm going to allow myself a little optimism.

great post, SoL

Thanks.

It's not hard to see, if you walk in without preconceived notions and old stereotypes that you won't let go of.

Frankly, at this point it's too late to help those who are dead set in their beliefs that anything not pro-Obama must be pro-Republican. If appeals to reason or logic fail, let them go down their own path.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   11:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

An establishment republican.

then why is Ron Paul doing an event with her?

christine  posted on  2009-09-15   11:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Frankly, at this point it's too late to help those who are dead set in their beliefs that anything not pro-Obama must be pro-Republican. If appeals to reason or logic fail, let them go down their own path.

point that i just had to highlight!

christine  posted on  2009-09-15   12:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

then why is Ron Paul doing an event with her?

You'd have to ask him. But she is a pro war republican who seems pretty stupid to top it off.

If I had to guess its because Bachmann is pro tax cut and was anti-TARP. She is still a war state supporting republican.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   12:08:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This sort of debate about the size of the crowds always occurs at a large event. I heard many quoting upwards of a million while I was on the street and on the Metro. I don't know.

I heard a report on a major SF area radio station that quoted a UK source saying that source had gotten the entity that takes care of the area (I believe the National Park Service) to say that they (the NPS) believed the march was the largest in history. They also said they had tried to get the same gov entity to give THEM an estimate and it had refused.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-15   12:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Look at Obama's tenure in office, he's pretty much been a moderate version of Bush.

You really believe that?

Your credibility is slipping faster than the virtue of a drunk slut on prom night.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-15   12:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You really believe that?

Your credibility is slipping faster than the virtue of a drunk slut on prom night.

Yep. What has Obama done? Continue the wars, continued bailouts, continued spending, continued spying on the nation.

Obama's big policy push? Increasing public spending on health care? Why don't you look up Bush's big policy push in 2003, the largest increase in public spending on health care since LBJ.

In fact I'm hard pressed to find any significant changes between the administrations. Care to share any?

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   15:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

...R. Armey, et al, might be trying to plant their flag in front of the parade, but IMO the true leadership hasn't yet bubbled up.

You may recall that nine years ago Armey and original bloo dawg Dem Billy Tauzin were touring the nation with the ostensibly bipartisan "SCRAP THE CODE-Adopt A National Sales Tax" tour.

Despite the rallies and tee shirt sales (I have one of them-wifey attended some gathering of theirs) it fell by the wayside.

When they wanted the investigation into 9/11 to go nowhere they tried to seat Kissinger in the chair.

Now they want the status quo to remain unchanged so they sent Dick Armey in to try and lead the uprising so he could walk the unsuspecting hopefuls in circles and then eventually off the nearest cliff of public indifference.

Just as when Speaker Dennis Hastert slyly stated that if Bush was re-elected they were going to abolish the income tax, and when Sen. Richard Lugar was testing the presidential waters he said his platform was to be the "abolish the income tax" platform, whenever an ordinary garden variety blue suited PUB hints at abolishing the code/tax or otherwise dethroning some powerful forces you can be sure that he's simply using it as bait, and that none would ever dream of it any more than they'd attempt to limit the powers of their own offices in general and incumbents in particular.

Needless to say after Bush's 2nd win there was no more talk of tax relief for working stiffs. In fact Bush actually tried to abolish capital gains and corporate taxes completely and just make it a payroll withholding "federal air tax"! (In exchange for permanent tax relief corporations would be required to collect the tax from all of their employees! Many such as Chase Bank do that already and that's the way they want things to be-the corporate profits/capital gains tax should be a tax for the privilege of slaving for corporations, with the officers' bonuses and golden parachutes being exempt of course)

And, after Lugar returned to the senate the burning issue of tax relief for long suffering middle class wage earners never got a moment's time in his office. As a US Senator he could still educate and campaign like Hell against the evils of the income tax, but if it wasn't serving as bait for his presidential run then touching it for our benefit just wasn't a priority for him or any other MC.

You can be sure that Dick Armey is available for "inside the wire wrecking crew duty" whenever the powers need a dutiful functionary to kill a movement through simple lack of charismatic leadership or inspiration.

Planting his flag is probably what Armey was sent in to do. The last time he killed a movement that had great potential and in the process he never made a single noteworthy soundbite that could be used to damage the FED or their beloved tribute tax.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-15   15:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, but there is no "leadership vacuum" to be filled here. That's one of the nice things about this. Everybody is pissed, as individuals, without being directed or cajoled by some strongman thug to be so. Armey could show up with a bullhorn and I guarantee you most would boo him. He's a sell out and we all know it.

It's ok to succeed once in a while without it being a plot or the design of some larger nefarious force. I think we're so used to not succeeding that we have no idea how to act when it happens from time to time. :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-15   15:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

and, let me remind folks that he's doing an event with Michelle Bachmann.

An establishment republican. Who until Obama got elected didn't give a shit about liberty. You are proving my point.

Sad but true.

Bachmann began mouthing all the right phrases along with the rest who have no history as supporters of liberty, rolling back big govt, restoring that which was taken through signing statements and AG opinions, etc.

Now, if Ron Paul can make her a true believer, then great. But, unless she's willing to abandon the main party and join Paul and his caucus (thereby alienating leadership which is always precarious especially for a newbie) then she won't excite me.

To her credit the Minn Republican Caucus removed Bachmann from her leadership position. "Bachmann cited "philosophical differences" with (Minn Republican Senator and minority leader) Dick Day as the reason for her ouster."

So, Bachmann may in fact have the right stuff and it's just too soon to say if she's bought and paid for. It's not too soon to note that even as a state rep she was eligible to join The Republican Liberty Caucus but, as far as I know she still hasn't signed up.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-15   15:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, but there is no "leadership vacuum" to be filled here. That's one of the nice things about this. Everybody is pissed, as individuals, without being directed or cajoled by some strongman thug to be so. Armey could show up with a bullhorn and I guarantee you most would boo him. He's a sell out and we all know it.

It's ok to succeed once in a while without it being a plot or the design of some larger nefarious force. I think we're so used to not succeeding that we have no idea how to act when it happens from time to time. :)

Right.

It's actually a good thing that none of the usual suspects can slither in and derail the movement.

The down side is, once they're all marched out and it's time to do something, without leadership to limit the platform to reasonable goals it could end up like a Libertarian National Convention. (There was a time when I had hope-filled daydreams about the Libertarian movement. I was much younger and smarter then)

But now I can sum up their conventions in two words: cluster coitus

Unless a single, meaningful idea can be used to galvanize numerous factions (many of which are inflexible and won't give an inch on their principles or priorities) it'll end up like all the others that had potential but ultimately failed.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-15   15:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's the "leader" taking his due credit in an email. (Always remember that nature abhors a vacuum).

Dick Armey, FreedomWorks"

Reply-To: "Dick Armey, FreedomWorks"

Subject: We Did It

Date: Mon 09/14/09 06:42 PM

Dear Friend,

The 9-12 March on Washington has concluded and by any measure it was nothing short of an historic success for the limited government movement.

The debate over how many people were actually there is now raging from one extreme to another. Some media reports have gone as high as 2 million, while liberal pundits like David Schuster have thrown out insulting low estimates under 50,000. I believe the truth is that our crowd actually approached 1 million, but you can judge for yourself as coverage of the March will air on CSPAN again tonight at 8 pm EST. No matter the actual number, the 9-12 March on Washington was far and away the largest gathering of limited government conservative activists in history and I want to thank you for helping to make it so.

Whether you were there or not, your support was key – your contribution, attendance at a local taxpayer protest in your own community, or your presence in DC is being felt today by the politicians here in the Nation’s Capital. Some may not admit it publicly, but I promise you that even the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Barrack Obama himself now know the power that our side represents.

We are all exhausted, but it’s imperative that we keep telling the stories, and sharing the images, and connecting the people from all 50 states who spoke with one voice to petition their government. After all, we all worked so hard to send the message to our elected officials: “Silent No More.”

To help document this monumental event, over the next few weeks, FreedomWorks will be putting together an online archive of the 9/12 March on Washington. However, if this project is going to be successful, we need your help!

Here is how you can help:

Tell us your story. If you were at the March, watched it from home, or participated in one of the hundreds of other local taxpayer rallies that took place all over the country, we want to hear from you! Simply email your story to 912dc.org@gmail.com, and don’t forget to include your name (we’ll only publish your first name), age, and location! We will also be sure to get a hard copy hand-delivered to your Senators and Congressman.

Send us your pictures and video. Did you take photos or video at the DC March or your local event? If so, we’d like to post them on our archive. To do this, all you need to do is upload your photos to Flickr.com, and videos to YouTube.com, then include the tag “912dc” before saving them. If you have too many photos, or your video is too large, you can mail a CD or DVD to: FreedomWorks, 601 Pennsylvania Ave, NW, North Building, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20004.

We need your help to get ready for the coming battles. The health care debate continues to rage and we expect the Left to continue their push for cap and trade and other items on the big government wish-list through the end of this year. We are working to build an infrastructure capable of conducting targeted research and issuing rapid-response calls to action that will make the difference in these fights.

In addition, our political battle plan for 2010 is already starting to come together. To give you a sneak preview, this includes another major event in Washington, D.C. and playing in the most high-profile Congressional mid-term races. All of this of course will take significant resources, but that’s what it is going to take to give limited government activists like you the necessary tools to affect change. Click here to support FreedomWorks with your generous contribution.

I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up.

So while I again congratulate you on the success of 9-12, I remind you that the battle goes on. We can take our government back, but as abolitionist Wendell Phillips famously said, “eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”

FreedomWorks,

Dick Armey

P.S. Now is no time to rest on our success. Now is no time to slow down. This past Saturday on 9-12, our side came together like never before, but we have to continue building the momentum to be ready for the fights this year and beyond. Please join us and invest in freedom!

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-15   16:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up.

Excellent find!

I love this:

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"I think back to 1994. Then, true limited government conservatives saw the dawn of a new era where fiscal conservatives rose to power on the shoulders of the Contract with America and “threw the bums out.” While conservatives in Congress ultimately lost their way and thus the support of the voters, I believe that thanks to the grassroots uprising we are seeing now that lawmakers are getting the message and that 2010 could look a lot like 1994, if we keep it up."

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Yeah, let's make sure it fizzles out just like 1994 and when The Young Turks, 72 GOP freshmen shut down the govt in 1995 and their own including Armey turned on them.

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mininggold wrote: "Here's the "leader" taking his due credit in an email. (Always remember that nature abhors a vacuum)."

Well said my friend. You're quickly earning a rep as an astute political observer/activist.

"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-09-15   16:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In fact I'm hard pressed to find any significant changes between the administrations. Care to share any?

You need to open your eyes, they're everywhere

Lets start with appointing a radical wetback to the SCOUS

AND

Turning our banking system over to Goldman Sachs & The Boys i.e. letting the Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) become a member of the Fed and clearing credit default swaps (CDS) in a non transparent way

Lets look at what he has planned:

Socialized medicine
More gun control
Higher taxes

I could go on and on.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-15   18:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, if Ron Paul can make her a true believer, then great. But, unless she's willing to abandon the main party and join Paul and his caucus (thereby alienating leadership which is always precarious especially for a newbie) then she won't excite me.

agreed and the same goes for Palin...

christine  posted on  2009-09-15   20:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lugar was once widely referred to as Richard Nixon's Favorite Mayor.

I don't care about any of that, he's a f*****g globalist and would be voted out of office if people had any sense, which they don't.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-15   21:12:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Lets start with appointing a radical wetback to the SCOUS

No different than appointing two white statists.

Socialized medicine

I specifically mentioned this. Obama's public option is comparable in scope to Bush's medicare prescription drug plan. And Medicare is socialized medicine, quite literally in the prescription drug plans case.

More gun control

Obama hasn't tried to increase gun control.

Higher taxes

Obama cut taxes, and didn't even follow through on his upper class tax increase he promised during the campaign.

I could go on and on.

Go on? How about you start.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   22:05:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No different than appointing two white statists.

A deer, a female deer?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2009-09-15   22:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ray- a drop of golden sun?

I don't get your point though. I haven't seen the sound of music since was a kid. So I might be missing the reference.

Rhino369  posted on  2009-09-15   22:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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