Title: Film of DC rally (How many does it look like to you?) Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:Sep 14, 2009 Author:. Post Date:2009-09-14 12:37:53 by christine Keywords:None Views:1269 Comments:117
The march Saturday was called "Taxpayer March on Washington" and was organized by FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots. I think your assumption that every attendee there was a republican (McCain voter) and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature.
Also, how do you know that it wasn't Ron Paul's decision to be in Alvin, Texas this weekend rather than at the DC rally?
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight?
What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters?
Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Not when the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy. If you think people like Army, or Beck actually want to change anything you are mistaken. Its political theater.
As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one
Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
Many have tried voting for Ron Paul, or Libertarians, or "take your pick". They voted, then they voted again, and voted voted voted voted. And here we are. So much for voting. Now what? What are your ideas? Do you even want there to be ideas or resistance (not a leading question, I'm being genuine)?
You offer criticism, which is fine, but do you have more to give than that? If so, what?
Many have tried voting for Ron Paul, or Libertarians, or "take your pick". They voted, then they voted again, and voted voted voted voted. And here we are. So much for voting. Now what? What are your ideas? Do you even want there to be ideas or resistance (not a leading question, I'm being genuine)?
You offer criticism, which is fine, but do you have more to give than that? If so, what?
The campaign for liberty is actually a good plan. It just shouldn't allow itself to be co-opted by people who clearly are only pretending to agree.
A movement filled with intelligent people making rational arguments will eventually grow.
At that point the republicans or democrats will change their policy to gain there votes.
Right now you guys are putting out on a mere promise of a chance in policy. A change that will not occur.
Though the probable outcome is that nothing changes. The republican party has 10 retards for every intelligent conservative.
And what do you suggest? A 20 page ideological purity pre-entrance examination for everybody showing up at protests?
Seriously, there's no way to filter, regardless of the group in question.
We're not trying to create another debate club, like the Libertarian party. And they did kinda try the whole 'purist' mode, and it kept them marginalized.
What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness. Yes yes, hangers on and flag planting wannabes are here trying to co-opt, but it's not taking. Not yet anyway.
There is no way to get purity of ideas AND have a mass movement capable of changing the course of a society. Even the statists cannot achieve this, there is plenty of disagreement in their ranks, however, they are able to put up a unified front (albeit well directed and full of Strongmen Wannabes issuing orders) when they want something done.
Right now our push is to stop the push by Obama and the progressives/fascists. That seems to be the only real goal that everybody agrees on. With that agreement in mind, we're achieving just that. Obama's term thus far has been an utter train wreck, precisely at a time in history when he should be able to line up every plank of the socialist party/fascist party and get them passed without opposition.
Something to think about. We can stop him and his lackeys now, or we can perform anal examinations on each incoming person wanting to help, testing for ideological purity.
What we're seeing now, or at least I am, are people accepting more libertarian ideas fully, straight out of libertarian theory, and growing in their views and scope of political awareness. Yes yes, hangers on and flag planting wannabes are here trying to co-opt, but it's not taking. Not yet anyway.
that's what i'm seeing. i'm as cynical as the next (or at least as cynical as cyni), but in this case, because of the number of participants at townhalls and the teaparties who i saw and heard were anti-tyranny and big government, i'm going to allow myself a little optimism.
that's what i'm seeing. i'm as cynical as the next (or at least as cynical as cyni), but in this case, because of the number of participants at townhalls and the teaparties who i saw and heard were anti-tyranny and big government, i'm going to allow myself a little optimism.
great post, SoL
Thanks.
It's not hard to see, if you walk in without preconceived notions and old stereotypes that you won't let go of.
Frankly, at this point it's too late to help those who are dead set in their beliefs that anything not pro-Obama must be pro-Republican. If appeals to reason or logic fail, let them go down their own path.
Frankly, at this point it's too late to help those who are dead set in their beliefs that anything not pro-Obama must be pro-Republican. If appeals to reason or logic fail, let them go down their own path.