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Title: Film of DC rally (How many does it look like to you?)
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Published: Sep 14, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-09-14 12:37:53 by christine
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#14. To: christine (#0)
Honestly, unless there is a third party movement from this, if it is called "The Tea Party", or what ever, I'm not paying much attention. The talking heads on the radio are pushing the answer to be the Republican Party.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
LOLOLOLOL A continuous loop of 100 RP supporters :P
Look at the bright side Mark. We need the system to collapse and that has begun. The economy is a joke, and there are now at least 2 or 3 versions of America, so the balkanization process has begun. Yes, I'd love a 3rd party to evolve, and if you fear the Rs getting out in front of this, don't fret. If they do it will peter out quicker than poorly dosed Viagra addled hard on.
Their taking away our freedoms --- Is English your first language?
... yes, a cruel joke.
Honestly, if it turns into a third party movement, I'll stop paying attention. Get this: It is mathematically impossible for a third party to be viable in a winner-take-all election system, such as the one we have in the US. Got that? 2 + 2 = 4, and third parties cannot be viable. Both statements are true with the same level of strength and certainty. Yes, I know. The Republican Party displaced the Whig party. The operative word, however, is replaced. That's not just an accident of history. It was mathematically required. The question, then, is what are the chances of a new party replacing one of the existing ones? A rough estimate would have to be once every 235 years, based on US history. Not good odds. It's much more likely that a determined group of activists might be able to take over an existing party from within. That's happened many times in US history.
#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
#16. To: Kamala (#14)
#17. To: LACUMO (#9)
Their taking away our freedoms
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
The economy is a joke
#19. To: Kamala (#14)
Honestly, unless there is a third party movement from this, if it is called "The Tea Party", or what ever, I'm not paying much attention.
 | "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis |
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
Then at the same time, citizens need to withdraw and quit participating in the fraud of the economy and the political system.
We need the system to collapse and that has begun....
Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#21. To: sourcery (#19)
You are probably right about replacing a party, but change from within at this point, I don't think will happen.
It's much more likely that a determined group of activists might be able to take over an existing party from within. That's happened many times in US history.....
Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#22. To: Kamala (#20)
I keep thinking of all the Gerald Celente 'tubes and interviews I've listened to over the past year. He has been dead on and I suspect people will begin to suspend participation. Saturday was an enormous step toward that possibility.
#23. To: christine (#0)
Look at all those racists. Obummer should have dropped napalm on them to put them in their place. 
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#24. To: sourcery, Kamala, all (#19)
That is pretty much true. The laws regulating who and how someone gets on the ballot have been rigged in favor of the existing Republicrat Party. If you are not a Republicrat the hurdles are so high that it is virtually impossible for a 3rd Party Candidate to get on enough ballots to win - even if 100% voted for it.
Get this: It is mathematically impossible for a third party to be viable in a winner-take-all election system, such as the one we have in the US. Got that? 2 + 2 = 4, and third parties cannot be viable.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
#25. To: sourcery (#19)
Yes, I know. The Republican Party displaced the Whig party. The operative word, however, is replaced. That's not just an accident of history. It was mathematically required. The question, then, is what are the chances of a new party replacing one of the existing ones? A rough estimate would have to be once every 235 years, based on US history. Not good odds. It's much more likely that a determined group of activists might be able to take over an existing party from within. That's happened many times in US history. This is why Ron Paul decided to stay in the Republican Party.
Honestly, if it turns into a third party movement, I'll stop paying attention. Get this: It is mathematically impossible for a third party to be viable in a winner-take-all election system, such as the one we have in the US. Got that? 2 + 2 = 4, and third parties cannot be viable. Both statements are true with the same level of strength and certainty.
#26. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
There are a few ways. Quit spending and buying. Quit borrowing and applying for credit. Stop paying debts. File foreclosures or bankruptcy. General strike. I think the most devastating would be spending and credit. Most citizens can participate. The entire system depends on ever expanding debt and credit, without this, it crumbles.
Mark
If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
#27. To: Kamala (#26)
I think the most devastating would be spending and credit. Most citizens can participate. The entire system depends on ever expanding debt and credit, without this, it crumbles. If you think the "System" crumbling would result in more liberty you are smoking some fine weed my friend. If conservatives called a "general strike" and the economy fell apart, you'd see a socialist dictator in place in a month. American's can't go a week without TV, do you think they'll stand for grocery stores running out of food? Obama would say the conservatives are trying to starve them, and will promise "Change" and take control forever. History shows time and time again, that societies that crumble will follow a strong man who puts food on the table. Just look at American history, the single time a significant number of Americans had to worry about starving, during the great depression, America made FDR President for life.
Quit spending and buying. Quit borrowing and applying for credit. Stop paying debts. File foreclosures or bankruptcy. General strike.
#28. To: Rhino369 (#27)
History shows time and time again, that societies that crumble will follow a strong man who puts food on the table. LOL. Obama a "strong man" to take control forever? Now that's what I call a funny conspiracy theory...
Obama would say the conservatives are trying to starve them, and will promise "Change" and take control forever.
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
You are insane. Stopping society in this way so that you and others can "protest" disrupting people's lives is the dumbest idea I have heard today. If you have a problem, take it to your leaders. Be a man for once in your life and step up.
Nothing short of massive non compliance (no one to collect tolls, repair downed power lines, truck milk and bread to local stores, etc.,) will force the arrogant "molders of public opinion" to acknowledge that something is wrong in the hinterland.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#30. To: Rhino369, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG (#27)
On principal alone this is the dumbest Idea I have ever heard over and over again from flat earth libertarian mouth breathers.
If you think the "System" crumbling would result in more liberty you are smoking some fine weed my friend.
http://kaygriggs.blogspot.com/ On freedom4um.com, Alex Jones is more dangerous than Henry Kissinger. May you live in interesting times.
#31. To: christine (#0)
For those who missed it - CSPAN Channel 1 feed coming from the massive 9/12 Rally in Washington D.C. Tune in now: 
#32. To: sourcery (#19)
Are you committed to preserving the Union then?
Anti-racism is code for white genocide. The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises
#33. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#32)
Not in any absolute sense. But I don't currently see any viable alternatives. I'd listen to any proposals that seem well-founded, plausible and implementable...
Are you committed to preserving the Union then?
| "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis |
#34. To: Fred Mertz (#4)
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I visited the rally after the march, as a spectator, hoping to maybe bump into someone I knew from years gone by.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
#35. To: robnoel (#31)
www.republicmedia.tv (video) The march Saturday was called "Taxpayer March on Washington" and was organized by FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots. I think your assumption that every attendee there was a republican (McCain voter) and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature. Also, how do you know that it wasn't Ron Paul's decision to be in Alvin, Texas this weekend rather than at the DC rally?
#36. To: Original_Intent (#1)
Good comment.
So, the PsyOp is to prevent that from happening. Since people are emboldened by numbers, if not principle, then the game for the media is to disparage, smear, and minimize the affect of so many people standing up against government tyranny.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
#37. To: sourcery (#33)
Good. :) Seems to me the claim is only true assuming Union. There are many such winner-take-all games at different levels in the Union, and I think a local or regional third party could be successful, locally or regionally replacing one of the two primary parties. Especially secessionist.
Anti-racism is code for white genocide. The call of "equality," is a siren song that can only mean the destruction of all that we cherish as being human. -- Murray Rothbard It is perfectly legitimate to assume that the races are different in their cognitive abilities and in their willpower and accordingly are unequally suited for the task of setting up societies, and that the better races are characterized in particular by their special ability to strengthen social bonds. -- Ludwig von Mises
#38. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#2)
At a minimum, there are 250,000k. At the high end, double that. The left can ignore, mock and/or deny, but this is the tip of the iceberg.
#39. To: Jethro Tull, original_intent, christine (#2)
I'd say there were at least few dozen in that vid. ;-) one thing comes to mind though,. so 2 million marched. and what the hell has changed from it? i dont know if 'marching' is the answer? other than to build momentum and show the puppetmasters what is happening.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
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#40. To: sourcery (#6)
Beautiful.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. C. S. Lewis
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
"Okay guys, spread out and try to look more numerous! Take two steps forward and one step back and you'll be photographed in three places two seconds apart!' LOL!!
It's probably only one hundred of Ron Paul's supporters going 'round and 'round the same way they skewed the internet polls in his favor after all the presidential debates!
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#42. To: christine (#35)
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes. The National Taxpayers Union-a legit grassroots organization tea party patriots- a website that is run by anonymous people, but who are "partned" with Michelle Malkin and Red State.com Just look at websites like Free Republic and libertypost. All the statist republicans there are teabaggers. Campaign for Liberty hasn't been hijacked its being ignored. These teabaggers got Glen Beck to listen to.
FreedomWorks Foundation and a coalition of other groups such as The National Taxpayers Union and The Teaparty Patriots.
and that the "RP Revolution has been hijacked by the forces of evil" is premature.
#43. To: Rhino369 (#42)
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend? As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one.
FreedomWorks- you mean the organization led by Dick Armey, Republican, and whose board is made of people like Steve Forbes.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
#44. To: Flintlock (#43)
So what do you suggest? That Obama gets his way without a fight? What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters? Not when the enemy of your enemy is also your enemy. If you think people like Army, or Beck actually want to change anything you are mistaken. Its political theater. Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
Did you ever think that we need allies in this fight and that the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
As for me, I'll take a victory anyway I can get one
#45. To: Rhino369 (#44)
Ok, assume you're right for the sake of argument. What would you suggest as an alternative? Many have tried voting for Ron Paul, or Libertarians, or "take your pick". They voted, then they voted again, and voted voted voted voted. And here we are. So much for voting. Now what? What are your ideas? Do you even want there to be ideas or resistance (not a leading question, I'm being genuine)? You offer criticism, which is fine, but do you have more to give than that? If so, what?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
#46. To: Rhino369, Flintlock, all (#44) (Edited)
Let me give you a not so unrealistic hypothetical. Suppose Obama woke up one day and decided gun ownership wasn't in the best interest of Americans, and subsequently managed to get legislation that nullified our 2nd amendment. Would you stand with a group of that size who was united in opposition, regardless of who was in a leadership role? A simple yes or no will do.
#47. To: Rhino369 (#44) (Edited)
Agreed, but stopping Obama should be priority #1 If it takes guys like Beck or Armey to get the troops out, I'll take it and be grateful for their efforts. The last time I checked, RON PAUL IS A REPUBLICAN
Electing republicans instead of democrats isn't victory any way you frame it.
What kind of retarded logic would make you conclude that from me showing the teabaggers are being led by republicans and not Paul supporters?
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
#48. To: Flintlock (#47)
Please dont confuse the deranged with facts.
The last time I checked, RON PAUL IS A REPUBLICAN
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
YES! Give me victory, we can figure out who to blame later.
Would you stand with a group of that size who was united in opposition, regardless of who was in a leadership role? A simple yes or no will do.
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
#50. To: Flintlock, Jethro Tull (#49)
A qualified "yes". The qualification being that those along for the ride are not absolute asshats. For example, if the KKK were openly organizing and pushing all of this, along with skinheads, neo-nazis and stormfront types, then I wouldn't even look in their direction. Since this current movement is more or less leaderless (yes, there are groups jumping on board, but they're not leading, they're jumping on board, which is something the "leader at all cost" left doesn't understand), then I'm ok if they tag along. Lots of conversions to a more libertarian outlook are happening, and that's always a good thing. If we can change a former Dubya supporter into somebody who can finally think for his/herself, then how is that not a net gain? If some aren't "pure", well who the deuce cares? Who is ideologically pure anywhere, where actual live human beings reside? As long as we're all trying to be honest and honorable, I'm ok having them tag along.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
#51. To: Flintlock, Cynicom, all (#47)
How does anyone on this forum know what RP thinks about that gathering Saturday? Maybe I have this wrong but his message to me has always been to change the Republican party from within. That's the least favorite method of change for me, but it's obvious that the march wasn't aroused or mobilized by the politics of a Dick Armey or any other establishment R. Armey, et al, might be trying to plant their flag in front of the parade, but IMO the true leadership hasn't yet bubbled up.
#52. To: SonOfLiberty (#50)
IMO, if the KKK, skinheads, Aryan Nations, etc. decided to hold an all expenses paid national conference in Hawaii, they'd have about 100 people show up, and half of those would be feds. They are a SPLC/ADL manufactured fund raising entity, nothing more.
For example, if the KKK were openly organizing and pushing all of this, along with skinheads, neo-nazis and stormfront types, then I wouldn't even look in their direction.
#53. To: Jethro Tull (#52)
Sure, no question. I was just looking for the most despicable examples. Fill in the blanks for whatever group(s) you may feel fit the definition of utterly grotesque. The power of this entire movement is that it has no real leaders and is organically self organized by individuals of no consequence standing up and saying 'no more'. It's a beautiful example of spontaneous order, in my opinion. Utterly different than how the statists work, who need to be organized by Supreme Leaders and told what to say, when to say it, and where to go.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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