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Title: NJ Teens Sue Over 'God Bless America' Game Ejection
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Published: Sep 15, 2009
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2009-09-15 14:12:41 by Brian S
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TRENTON, N.J. — Three teenagers who say they were tossed from a New Jersey ballpark for sitting through the song "God Bless America" are suing the minor league Newark Bears. The boys say their constitutional rights were violated when they were asked to leave Newark's Bears and Eagles Riverfront Stadium in June by Bear's president co-owner Thomas Cetnar. Cetnar confirms the boys were asked to leave but declined to elaborate. The boys — Millburn High seniors Bryce Gadye (gah-DEE') and Nilkumar (NIHL-koo-mahr) Patel, both 17, and junior Shaan (shahn) Mohammad Khan, 16 — sued in federal court Friday seeking unspecified damages. They say when they told Cetnar they had the right to remain seated, he cursed and had two security officers remove them from their seats behind home plate.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
Who owns the ballpark? Is it owned by the ball team (it may be)? If so, then good on the team, and the yoots have no case to sue. If it's paid for out of public money, then the conclusion is exactly the opposite.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Were they refunded their jack? Why wasn't the National Anthem sung? No matter who owns the stadium, I believe that the utes will prevail in their suit.
It occurs to me that the ACLU and such pays lots of attention to this kind of "moral" offenses and ignores the real issues like the more practical rights that have been trampled or destroyed.
They're quite particular on which civil liberties they'll defend, and which they'll pretend do not exist.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
"In 2005, Ross achieved the honor of being named 'Listing Broker of the Year - Village' for having signed the most number of exclusives in the Greenwich Village office." Lawyer, psychologist, photographer, real estate agent. A real renaissance man! Patel is another aggressive minority name, of modest fame in financial circles. Their clan has a history of getting kicked out of countries too. I think I'm going to doubt the teens' version.
Galut went the little green frog one day They should get a refund of ticket costs, and any expenses they sunk into going to the game, and a modest, but not extreme punitive damages. Maybe 20 thousand dollars or so. Enough so this ballclub doesn't pull this shit again. It isn't even about the right to sit during a stupid psuedopatriotic song. Its about following through on a contract. These men bought tickets, with no condition that they had to stand for a song. The ballclub cannot change the rules once they get there.
I'll agree with you. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires people to pledge allegiance, or take any particular oath absent giving testimony or assuming office, nor is there anything in there that requires us to sing a song. Hell, you may be a foreign national at a ball game. Should you be asked to sing an anthem or national song? Would you consent to the requirement to sing the Kenyan or Russian anthem while abroad? I don't think so. I even think that this is a stretch for American citizens at home. Singing or pledging along is a customary requirement and not a statutory one. As to the issue of private property, I'll let you mugs decide. Suppose you come into my restaurant, but I won't serve you until you say the Pledge of Allegiance. Am I within my rights?
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX If you own the property, yes, you can refuse service at will and at your discretion. On the other hand, if it was a habitual thing, you'd either be forced out of business as people refused to patronize your restaurant, or you'd get a lot of people show up who like to recite socialist pledges for no apparent reason other than the demands of others. Either way, seems ok, as long as you get the call as the property owner and they get the call to flip you the bird and walk out as customers.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I don't think so. Try refusing based on race, etc.
Possibly because unlike The National Anthem, God Bless America doesn't require singers to have a three and a half octave range to sing it. If a singer like *Whitney Houston is featured then The Anthem is mandated by tradition. But for a crowd singalong God Bless America is a much better choice because men and women can sing the full range of notes from the lowest to the highest without straining any reproductive organs in the process... *(She has my gratitude because after Roseanne Barr/Arnold/Barr butchered the song and grabbed her thigh at the end, Ms. Houston was the next person to perform The Anthem, and she sang it true to its original melody with no "Mariah-ish" soulful embellishment, and it was not only flawlessly executed but it was the best slap in the face to Roseanne I could have ever hoped for.)
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
Yes, farmfriend wins the prize. You are a "public accomodation."
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX I love singing the National Anthem.
Yes, but you can't make me to pay in advance, sit me down, let me order then do it. And something like an emergency room, or the electric company shouldn't be able to do it either.
That's great that you can pull it off! Many gals "bottom out" on "Oh say" the lowest note so that they can reach the high notes later, but if they sing it in a higher key to hit "say" properly then the high note, (The land of the free) is unreachable!
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
Many gals "bottom out" on "Oh say" the lowest note so that they can reach the high notes later, but if they sing it in a higher key to hit "say" properly then the high note, (The land of the free) is unreachable! That's why God invented CD's. Do we know at what level of the farm system these guys playing in?
Bingo.
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX This is true. I used to have a 4 octave range. Probably only 3 now. How Great Thou Art is another one that takes range though not nearly as much.
It's a strange anthem in some ways. It does have the greatest range of any known national hymn, and it's the only one in three-quarter time. The melody was created for an eighteenth century drinking tune, and for my money, it's still best sung three sheets to the wind.
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX Some of the previous comments clearly hadn't read the article. These kids hadn't been sitting through the Star Spangled Banner, but through God Bless America - a song worked up in 1940 by Irving Berlin, and not the National Anthem.
Even if it was the "National Anthem", they should not be obligated to stand and/or sing.
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
That's a wonderful gift, and it makes for monster talent like Charlotte Church.
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
The melody was created for an eighteenth century drinking tune, and for my money, it's still best sung three sheets to the wind. Great post!
"I just play to the goddess of music-and I know she's dancing."__Taj Mahal
Well, I am talking "in theory" and not "in a country where property rights essentially don't exist except on paper".
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
In theory I would agree with you.
Non-native orcs acting rudely in their non-native country. They should be put in public stocks as a reminder to other orcs that non-assimilation won't be tolerated.
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#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)
#5. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
Attorney Ross Gadye, father of one of the boys, filed the lawsuit on their behalf.
Galut went the little green frog
Galut went the little green frog one day
and we all go galut galut galut
#6. To: Brian S (#0)
#7. To: Rhino369 (#6)
They should get a refund of ticket costs,
#8. To: randge (#7)
#9. To: SonOfLiberty, randge (#8)
If you own the property, yes, you can refuse service at will and at your discretion.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#10. To: Lod (#2)
Why wasn't the National Anthem sung?
#11. To: farmfriend (#9)
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG, Lod (#10)
God Bless America doesn't require singers to have a three and a half octave range to sing it.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#13. To: randge (#7)
As to the issue of private property, I'll let you mugs decide. Suppose you come into my restaurant, but I won't serve you until you say the Pledge of Allegiance. Am I within my rights?
#14. To: farmfriend (#12)
I love singing the National Anthem.
#15. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#14)
That's great that you can pull it off!
#16. To: Rhino369 (#13)
Yes, but you can't make me to pay in advance, sit me down, let me order then do it.
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)
Many gals "bottom out" on "Oh say" the lowest note so that they can reach the high notes later, but if they sing it in a higher key to hit "say" properly then the high note, (The land of the free) is unreachable!
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)
#19. To: Brian S (#0)
(Edited)
#20. To: Shoonra (#19)
#21. To: farmfriend (#17)
This is true. I used to have a 4 octave range. Probably only 3 now.
#22. To: randge (#18)
It's a strange anthem in some ways. It does have the greatest range of any known national hymn, and it's the only one in three-quarter time.
#23. To: farmfriend (#9)
#24. To: SonOfLiberty (#23)
Well, I am talking "in theory"
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#25. To: Brian S (#0)
Bryce Gadye (gah-DEE') and Nilkumar (NIHL-koo-mahr) Patel, both 17, and junior Shaan (shahn) Mohammad Khan, 16
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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