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Title: Nice Job Ron Paul Schmucks
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Published: Sep 16, 2009
Author: Ed Encho
Post Date: 2009-09-16 20:07:32 by Brian S
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The carnival of perversion that was the Becker march on Washington over the weekend only makes it more painfully apparent that the Ron Paul movement which I used to admire as the most energetic and vibrant phenomenom in American politics of late is officially dead. Stick a fork in their asses, they're done. They have been hijacked (very easily I might add) and used as an exo-skeleton for the drooling, jackbooted, race baiting, anti-intellectual fascism that is eating the country from within as termites and exemplified by the hero of millions FOX's Glenn Beck. :::::::: The recent Astroturf town hall thuggery, reminiscent of the early day's of Hitler's S.A. has set the nation dangerously on a course towards violence in that the Beckers, Birthers, Deathers and assorted other haters and miscreants marshalled into an angry army and sent forth by a sordid collection of high-rolling lobbyists for tax chiselers, multi-national corporations, health care industry parasites and Wall Street looters to rage against their own self interests in ugly public spectacles that would be funny were they not so resplendently gruesome. There are two really amazing contradictions to all of this hoopla and hatred the first being that the Pope of Hope, Barack Obama is a Socialist, not that this can penetrate the thick skulls of the teabaggers or take up residence in their pea brains but Socialists do NOT bail out banks they nationalize them, clean them up, and then fire the bastards (or more preferably prosecute the thieves) and sell the banks back to private interests who will run the damned things honestly. Secondly, and far more importantly it is ludicrous for a deranged demagogue like Beck to gin up the latest version of the McCarthyist Red Scare when his boss, a foreign pig named Rupert Murdoch likely gets one hell of a huge erection when the potential to do business with the Communist Chinese arises. Sad that in America such inconvenient truths are lost in the deluge of rancid filth, lies, racism, fear mongering and fourth grade level namecalling that is the new standard of what passes for what used to be conservatism. Now to my main point, the fifth-columnists, right-wing extremist sleeper cells, guardians of the legacy of Dick Cheney and the protectors of the oligarchy have been made successful beyond their wildest dreams by infiltrating and essentially taking over the Ron Paul movement. Now I have taken a lot of grief over the years by my liberal friends for throwing in with the Paul folks despite my serious differences on economic philosophy but there was something there that had crossover appeal. It was the principled calls for the accountability from the Federal Reserve, a pack of jackals and banksters if there ever was one and a body that is about as federal as Fedex, thereby making it a rogue organization and totally unaccountable as well as largely responsible for the destruction of the U.S. economy and the transformation of the dollar into so much toilet paper. The Ron Paul movement also stood for the end of the reckless and murderous imperialist wars that have brought the republic to the brink of bankruptcy as well as a restoration of the civil liberties that were stolen from us all by the Bush-Cheney-Neocon Axis of Evil with the phony 'terrorist' attacks of 9/11 as an excuse. It was a movement that had principle, energy, serious intellectual legitimacy and momentum. Now it has all been pissed away by throwing in with the dregs of American society that are the Beckers. From many accounts of the ongoing protests it is obvious that the fringe elements like Birthers, Deathers, Haters, Sarah Palin worshippers and other assorted goons are perhaps 30 percent of the crowds (and that is not accounting for the Astroturf agent provacateurs) and the rest are justifiably pissed off, fucked over by the system, disenfranchised decent Americans who have been willingly hornswoggled by the snake charmers who could give a rat's ass about them. They are led by Beck and I am warning the Ron Paul folks right now, I am warning the 9/11 Truthers, I am warning the End the Fed activists who have been hijacked by these parasites that the day of reckoning is coming and coming soon. With the intense racial hatred directed at Obama being cranked out to economically screwed, TV lobotomized zombies there is going to be blood. Very soon some crazed loon, manipulated by the fascists is going to attempt to assassinate the president, blow up a building or go on some sort of deranged killing spree against a group that is loathed, it could be liberals, it could be gays, blacks or Muslims. That is the climate right now and when that happens the Ron Paul people are going to be associated with that and in all honesty will deserve a part of the blame for throwing in with these miserable freaks instead of expelling them, denouncing them and exposing them for what they are. Your numbers are giving them legitimacy and I can damned well assure you that not one of the Beckers was out when you people were doing the original tea parties, protesting the neocon wars, the Fed and crying out for a restoration of civil liberties. You have laid down with snakes and allowed them to take over the tent as well. They have no principles, only hatred and are leading you straight to the slaughter mixed in with the sheep, denounce them now before you are in the steel chute at the end of the maze when you will be unable to avoid the hammer dropping on your head. Just my two cents over the morning cup o' joe EE
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#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
Ron Paul's objective is to teach people what they should know and what they should do when the two major crime families and the bankers finally crash the dollar and the entire economy. RP has gotten a little pessimistic over the years. But at least he's not bitter.
Thoughtful post Dawg. Unless a meaningful majority of the warring factions combine against the G_d-cursed Federal Reserve and their murderous on call hit teams we have no chance of saving the America we all love. ...stand beside her, and guide her, to the right with a light from above... Chokes me up a bit, but I don't think there's much left worth saving. The country I thought I was born into no longer exists. I'm not a patriot. But perhaps I yet take too much for granted. I have in the past, after all. I'll think about that. Unity sounds nice, but there are a few things I simply won't compromise on. If unity demands it of me, so much for unity. We all hate living under this government together, I think. But I would place the emphasis on together rather than this. I honestly believe that Dr. Paul underestimated his enemies' resolve I agree, but when did you come to believe this? I believe most of his supporters so underestimated. I believed it all along. Thus I did not actively support him. How could I go to a meetup and enthuse with a straight face? But, there can be no victory as long as the mechanism to fund unconstitutional mischief remains in place. Again I would attack this from the other direction. The FRN is the currency of the United States. JMO.
Galut went the little green frog one day The central Ohio protesters/faction seems to be pretty intent on dismantling the Fed. Hell, there were signs out during our rallies in front of the state house calling for dismantling the Fed, asking "Who is John Galt", saying that the Fed needs audited, etc. Don't know how it looked in other areas though.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
i think it is just as is the inevitable collapse.
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Really? I don't know any RP supporters who "jumped on another wagon". Most of us have stayed politically active via Campaign For Liberty, mostly voted for Baldwin of the CP in 2008, still trying to do what we can to move Rand Paul and Peter Schiff into position for Senate, supporting HR 1207 to audit the Fed, participated to some extent in Tea Parties (the earlier ones were all ours, top to bottom), etc. Maybe you know some RP types who are different.
What wagon was that? What % of the people jumped?
..... Your numbers are giving them legitimacy and I can damned well assure you that not one of the Beckers was out when you people were doing the original tea parties, protesting the neocon wars, the Fed and crying out for a restoration of civil liberties. You have laid down with snakes and allowed them to take over the tent as well. I think this guy is right on. the latest version of tea parties lauded by the establishment neocons is a big waste of time. for that matter, this 'capmaign for liberty' which seems to be nothing more than mailers written by someone named john tate constantly asking for more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is nothing but a bunch of bullshit. I dont remember his free liberty committee mailings which i read years ago being a constant infomercial for funds. I know people who go to the campign for liberty rallies and say 911 truth is not welcomed. of course not, why the C4L founder himself insists that 911 truth is 'ludicrous' and 'absurd'. F em. save money and spend time with your families and forget the b.s.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. It's just an assertion he made. He offers no proof, not even any anecdotal information to support this accusation that the RP folk "sold out" to someone who he doesn't even name.
With sorrow. It's unfortunate that Ron Paul was as much a victim of political dilettantes who "wanted what they wanted when they wanted it" as any bone chilling threats to his family or himself. Many of his fair weather supporters are now cruising the net and bashing Paul, claiming that he gave up or was never sincere in the first place, cutting him no slack for the fact that the entire MSM and both sides of the uniparty govt put their diffs aside to either pretend he doesn't exist or accuse him of unspeakable things when they found it necessary to acknowledge his existence. When Paul won the debate polls and they still wouldn't acknowledge his candidacy it was obvious that he could have been murdered in broad daylight and the DEMS, the PUBs and the media would have provided fifty witnesses to his "suicide". And, after numerous state GOP convention delegates reported that they were marginalized or out-maneuvered with illegal, last minute rules changes and no media outlet, elections bureaus or state or federal law enforcement agencies would act, well it amazes me that anyone would criticize Paul for not getting himself or his family killed in a futile attempt to win that which those who own our political system decided he could not have. But, just as some of those Pub convention delegates stubbornly refuse to accept that their party is not run by the rank and file (if Bob Dole's candidacy didn't prove that to them then they're too damned dumb to ever be convinced-I mean what delegate in his or her right mind would have chosen Dole if he hadn't been the pre-approved candidate? It was decided on by the money powers before the conventions were even opened) some of Paul's supporters still savage Rep. Paul for not forcing the enemy to martyr him. Of course there's nothing stopping these malcontents from adopting Paul's message and launching their own campaigns. Nothing but fear, that is. It's fine for Dr. Paul to risk his family and life. "Yeah, I sent him twenty bux and the bastard quit!" Just because the MOSSAD, the FED and every other affiliated cutthroat govt and private "aircraft tampering for hire" NGO was awaiting the go order, those big spenders didn't get their money's worth. But, when you ask them why they don't pick up the ball and run with it, they sound just like the young college Republicans when asked why they don't join the military and fight the wars they so heartily agitate for: "Uh, I'm allergic to A) boot polish, B) flea powder, C) olive drab", or "I hurt my (knee, back, groin, uvula) playing football".... Of course some will insist that those who kick Paul even now never were his supporters. But, they can't offer any proof but their own confessions. I'm sure that christine can attest that some former RP supporters have posted here and they made it clear that they later supported, or were leaning toward one of the NWO-approved candidates. In fact we've have many dogfights on that very subject. So, pardon me if I don't feel obligated to hold classes for those who demand proof from me. If they don't already know (and insist that I "name names". Okay how about "TooConservative and TwentyTwelve"?) that Americans suffer from political arrested development then they may be victims of political dilettante narcissism themselves.
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
the only ones i know jumped from RP onto the Obama bandwagon.
A conspiracy had taken place; a few of us paultards living in our parent's basements had outsmarted the best psyops the military/industrial media could bring to bear. What to do?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. They never did explain how you were able to defeat the software that logged your IP and prevented multiple votes cast for Paul. But, the fact that Paul won is proof that you did it! Hey, no other explanation is acceptable to the Military Industrial Media Complex....
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
the only ones i know jumped from RP onto the Obama bandwagon. LIAR! Oh, wait, that's TooConservative's line. Sawwy, I jumped the gun. " real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
'dawg, IMO Paul flat out quit. I'm not going to assume to know why he quit, but I suspect it was because he's a Republican and didn't want to be a spoiler to his party's standard-bearer, John McCain. As disgusting a thought as that is to me, it's logical given his infamous Trotsky memo and the Republican insiders he chose to run his campaign. This isn't to take away the good that he did, it's simply to say he was the wrong man to go bare knuckles with street fighters.
So then you refuse to provide even anecdotal proof of your assertions, let alone any actual evidence of some massive jumping-ship by Paul supporters? Just as I thought. And your longwinded distraction of a post doesn't fool anyone. I notice that you talk just like those people who did actually stab the Liberty movement in the back, blaming them for your own perfidy. Now, that, I have seen from some fake supporters of the RP movement, usually those who felt entitled to lead the RP movement by their own self-acclamation. We saw plenty of these I-was-Ron-Paul's-biggest-supporter-until-blah-blah-blah...
Like I said, it's a conspiracy.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. He stuck a knife in McStain at every chance, as did the rest of us. And he expected nothing better by Yomama either. Trotsky memo? Are you nuts? Republican insiders? You mean like the loyal Kent Snyder who finally died before the campaign ended? Obviously, you don't know a thing about RP or the Liberty movement.
Well, it's one conspiracy that FAUX NEUZ can believe in.....
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
They aren't street fighters, they are mafia fucking dons writ large. Off topic, but if "greedy bankers" is a synonym for kikes, why does Viacom via TV-Land insist on airing old episodes of Beverly Hillbillies featuring Mr Drysdale for at least an hour each day? More psyops?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. The only ones like that that I interacted with were a few of the antiwars who thought Yomama was actually antiwar. Best example was Justin Raimondo who quickly came to his senses. In his rebound, Justin did some outstanding work exposing the pro-war Obama which is who the libs actually elected. The larger portion, by far, of those who jumped from RP to Yomama were the Birthers. Birtherism has always been dominated by very liberal types who love conspiracy. They tried to use RP as their vehicle, then when he quit, they jumped to Yomama. No doubt, they are currently conspiring somewhere about how they will run Charley Sheen for prez against Yomama in 2012 or some such lunacy. The Liberty movement is not the Birther movement and it never was.
Everyone should believe in something, but too many folks will believe in anything. It's a shame they were so seldom presented with the truth.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. No, it isn't. I can explain how to use scripting on a Linux or Unix machine in combination with proxies to firebomb those goofy online polls. It generally involves Lynx text browser and/or curl and some bash scripting, all very common command line scripting stuff on UNIX-like platforms. I mean, it's very very easy to do. You can see a simple example of Lynx scripting here. Essentially, you use Lynx or wget or curl to fetch a page (use Lynx if you need to use cookies), then you scan the page, click buttons or links or enter info automatically using sed/awk/grep utilities as needed. Really, it's just geeky but not that hard. I thought the cellphone bombs were even more fun; no unguarded cellphone was safe from our intrepid young RP supporters in those days. And there was some rather clever use of computer-generated text-messaging for that too. The look on Vannity's face when we text-bombed the phony Faux News cellphone polls was priceless.
Yeah, I missed that from RP. He was a gentleman to a fault. When McCain laughed at him during the last Wolf Bagel debate, I would have stopped that pig in his tracks and told him what I thought of him, his Papa, and his war mongering politics. But alas, Ron instead took the high road and inserted a cork in his mouth thus allowing the giggling McCain to waltz away with the nomination. His temperament is best designed for going nowhere amendments and brief appearances on the MSM. He falls pitifully short of the fist pounding, red in the face, leader these times call for. Other than that he's a great guy.
If you thought you were getting some strutting firebrand, you severely deluded yourself. Ron Paul's behavior as a man is as consistent as his views on economics and the Constitution. It isn't his fault if you're poorly informed or think he's your shining knight. Ron Paul repeatedly disparaged McStain and his war agenda and his neocon backers. Then he endorsed the CP candidate, not indirectly. I know, I know, if they don't leap tall buildings in a single bound when you want them to, they must be in the pay of the kikes or something.
Glen Beck can produce tears on demand, how many electoral college votes is that worth you suppose?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. It wasn't personal, childish accusations, he pointed out the flaws in their policies.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I'm wasn't looking for a man to leap tall buildings. I was hoping that after $28 million dollars was raised in one money bomb, RP might pause and take stock of the bag 'o shit Party he pledged loyalty to. I don't know how to put this more simply; remove Paul from the Republican party and they could all drop dead tomorrow and we'd be better off. Only he can answer why he remains an R, but it isn't because he's afraid of a challenge to his congressional seat, one he won by a 70%-30% margin. This last selection offered our side the very best opportunity to launch a new party. Time, money, energy and most importantly the truth were all on our side. And now what he began has been usurped by Beck and that blows pretty hard. But we will get the Fed audited, right? Nah.....
AIPAC doles out one electoral vote per tear according to David Horowitz.
_________________________________________________________________________ Yeah, in the absence of insiders' perspectives we gotta go with our guts. Mine tell me this: His candidacy grew so fast and so large that I was petrified for him. I mean he was the first world candidate for president of the US. And, if elected (and he fully appreciated the risks and took appropriate steps to survive, i.e. stayed out of Israel, The UK, CA, NY, Dallas, etc.,.and flying at high speed at rooftop altitudes while taking evasive maneuvers on Marine One) there would have been no limits to the mischief he could have monkey wrenched. Hell, if he ever hit his stride even DeBeers wouldn't be able to gouge the govt for strategic industrial diamonds ever again the way they did during WWII.... In fact the only comparable threat I can think of would be the discovery of a cancer cure. The unfortunate soul who dares to offer that up would be (as is the poor chap who developed the water engine and cutting torch by efficiently separating hydrogen from H2O) dead as soon as the contract can be faxed around the world at the speed of light. President Paul would be such a threat to so many criminal cartels that have captured some part of the world's economy and/or productivity (even H&R Block would be good for a couple of mil toward the contract. And, trial lawyers? Boeing? The ACME Web Gear Company?) that he'd quite likely be the first dignitary/public official to be killed in a tragic accident at an ex-presidents' backyard barbecue. THIS JUST IN: "Propane explosion at president's picnic. No word yet on injuries....." No, that "Paul flat out quit" is not in dispute. The question is "was he justified in doing so?" When he was robbed in NH he never cried foul, and I understand his "take the high road and never give them the satisfaction of hearing him whimper" philosophy. And, he damn sure wouldn't repeat Perot's antics, who claimed threats to his family as the reason for dropping out. Either way some will accuse him of being a squirrel, and the only way to prove himself would be to die, and then half of his enemies would claim that he crashed his own airplane or tampered with his own brakes just to make honest DEMS and PUBS, bankers and military industrialists look bad.....
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
Points well taken, and frankly at this point in time the question for us is
how do we grab hold of the leadership of that mass of humanity that was in DC
on Saturday. It's undeniable that the situation for many is critical. That the
right? is in the street is something I've never seen in my lifetime. If this
turns out to be a full fledged movement, and not a single event, Ron Paul will
be remembered as the flint that caused the spark. If he had the fire, he'd be
the guy to shove the internationalists aside and lead, but it isn't in his
character. It's not a fault, but rather a disappointment.
You may have nailed the winning formula-Leaderless resistance! A true grassroots movement that's too big and uncoordinated to derail or to slip Tom Kean, Pat Buchanan or Sarah Knockers in as the "leader". Perhaps it will grow so large and uncontrollable that it can wander from town to town, with millions eating and leaving garbage and human waste it its wake until the enemy simply surrenders! And, anytime a media type tries to confuse a demonstrator with demoralizing questions (i.e. "do you really believe that this will solve anything? What about dealing with nuclear waste?") the clever demonstrator can respond with caveman grunts and by grabbing a pack of TWINKIES and chewing with his mouth open..... No shills in leadership and no psychological manipulation. Just raw mob power refusing to be controlled until the country is recognizable as America the beautiful again..... And if the always determined IRS sends a pair of agents in to mention that no matter what "we all still have to pay taxes and penalties", they should simply eat them!
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
Louis Beam = leaderless resistance. It sends shivers down the backs of the establishment. Just maybe. During my Perot years, our goal was to have groups of 3-4-5 thousand people in each congressional district. We intended to be the swing vote available to either hack he would put in writing our goals of a balanced budget, term limits, etc. It never quite happened, but in some CDs we got close. We also never managed to do what happened Saturday, so we're in virgin territory.
There was no such money bomb. The Paul detractors, so many who claim to be such big supporters of RP BTW, seem to have a real problem with the facts of his campaign. There was no $28M money bomb. None. He has explained it repeatedly. You just weren't paying any attention. You don't take money as a GOP candidate, appear in their debates and run in their primaries and then turn around and launch an indy campaign. Wrong again. But just keep making up stuff if it makes you feel better or floats yer boat.
I contributed to RP but was never a supporter. He was and is a Republican which makes him radioactive, not to mention a man of questionable judgement.
He's a Republican only because of ballot access. As he has repeatedly explained, the two crime families have made it more difficult to gain and maintain ballot access for third parties and, as a result, most of the energy and funds of the third parties is consumed by ballot access efforts. Ron Paul recommends this approach to everyone. While the GOP is truly awful, the Dims are constitutionally and fiscally insane so you therefore have the libertarian Republicans and the Republican Liberty Caucus and the Campaign For Liberty. They are all, in theory at least, Republican. But it is only for ballot access. If Republicans agree with us, fine. Otherwise, screw them. This is all completely consistent with Ron Paul's own campaigns and conduct in 2008.
Ballot access to what? He might be in the safest seat in the House, not to mention he's 72 and won't be doing this forever. If Bernie Sanders can get selected as an "I", Ron could too. Just my opinion.
Yeah, well, there's a little difference between running TX (and most other states) and running in VT. Take my word for it.
You hit the nail on the head
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
I knew that I'd heard that somewhere before! (heh heh) It was either in church or at some rally someplace. (I seem to remember a cross, either indirectly illuminated or on fire....) And, as disappointed as I was to see Perot's campaign collapse I was not surprised. By then I was deep into the tax education movement (a euphemistic way to describe what a right thinking lexicon would describe as "a domestic terrorist group of anti govt gun nuts, with most of its members and sympathizers having an unwholesome, un-American suspicion of our non-Christian brothers and sisters"....) just like my daddy before me. And I had seen the govt pull some of the dirtiest tricks on us by then, not to mention the things they were publicly exposed for such as the ugly attempt to set up John DeLorean. (I was able to sit in on his trial in LA while downtown reviewing the *crimes they had committed against us) As far as the establishment was concerned Perot was as much or more of a threat to the wholesome two party spoils system as my bunch of grizzled, tobacco stained "haters". And Ron Paul is the worst of all. Thank Buddha that the shadowy serpent worshipers know that harming Paul may set off a chain of events that they cannot control. _______________ *When the IRS decided to sue our fearless leader Armen Condo, he filed an antiquated document known as a decisory or purgatory oath and the courthouse went nuts! They could not respond to it because to do so would have required them to likewise swear under oath that they had committed no crimes, and they couldn't ask the court to rule that the document no longer had the force of law behind it. It was old and had long since fallen into disuse but it was still a legally binding document and once filed they were required to answer it. (lawyers don't swear in and that really scared the prosecutors and the judge-another reason why they despise pro se litigants) "So what did they do?" I want you to ask. Well, they used WHITE OUT to remove the entry from the docket and entered another document in its place, and mailed it back to Armen Condo, and tried to pretend that the whole ugly thing never happened. (Only the judge would dare order this) Fortunately Armen had the presence of mind to get certified copies of the docket before and after the document was removed and the federal crime of altering the docket was committed. It like so many other crimes will be addressed when the day of reckoning comes, and judges are hanged because of the evidence of their own signatures on court motions and things. I went to the courthouse just to see the WHITE OUT and replacement entry in the docket for myself. That is something that you won't see if you live a hundred years, because there is just no legal reason to ever alter the docket regardless of the merits of the filing recorded there. It is in fact a federal crime with jail and fine attached to do so. ___________________________ Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary 22. Decisory oath. By this term in the civil law is understood an oath which one of the parties defers or refers back to the other, for the decision of the cause. 23. It may be deferred in any kind of civil contest whatever, in questions of possession or of claim; in personal actions and in real. The plaintiff may defer the oath to the defendant, whenever he conceives he has not sufficient proof of the fact which is the foundation of his claim; and in like manner, the defendant may defer it to the plaintiff when he has not sufficient proof of his defence. The person to whom the oath is deferred, ought either to take it or refer it back, and if he will not do either, the cause should be decided against him. Poth. on Oblig. P. 4, c. 3, s. 4. 24. The decisory oath has been practically adopted in the district court of the United States, for the district of Massachusetts, (before 1856-HD) and admiralty causes have been determined in that court by the oath decisory; but the cases in which this oath has been adopted, have been where the tender has been accepted; and no case is known to have occurred there in which the oath has been refused and tendered back to the adversary. Dunl. Adm. Pr. 290, 291.
" real men don't take screen names like "Ovaria", "Hormonia-Hysteria" or "Clitora".l
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#34. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
Galut went the little green frog
Galut went the little green frog one day
and we all go galut galut galut
#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#37. To: ghostdogtxn (#36)
I wonder if this kind of thing is inevitable?
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#38)
I was sure surprised to see so many enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters jump on another wagon once his campaign was no longer viable.
#40. To: TooConservative (#39)
I was sure surprised to see so many enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters jump on another wagon once his campaign was no longer viable.
#41. To: Brian S, all (#0)
The Ron Paul movement also stood for the end of the reckless and murderous imperialist wars that have brought the republic to the brink of bankruptcy as well as a restoration of the civil liberties that were stolen from us all by the Bush-Cheney-Neocon Axis of Evil with the phony 'terrorist' attacks of 9/11 as an excuse. It was a movement that had principle, energy, serious intellectual legitimacy and momentum. Now it has all been pissed away by throwing in with the dregs of American society that are the Beckers. From many accounts of the ongoing protests it is obvious that the fringe elements like Birthers, Deathers, Haters, Sarah Palin worshippers and other assorted goons are perhaps 30 percent of the crowds (and that is not accounting for the Astroturf agent provacateurs) and the rest are justifiably pissed off, fucked over by the system, disenfranchised decent Americans who have been willingly hornswoggled by the snake charmers who could give a rat's ass about them. They are led by Beck and I am warning the Ron Paul folks right now, I am warning the 9/11 Truthers, I am warning the End the Fed activists who have been hijacked by these parasites that the day of reckoning is coming and coming soon.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#42. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)
What wagon was that? What % of the people jumped?
#43. To: Eric Stratton, christine, TooConservative, TwentyTwelve (#38)
I concur!
#44. To: TooConservative (#39)
I don't know any RP supporters who "jumped on another wagon".
#45. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
When Paul won the debate polls and they still wouldn't acknowledge his candidacy it was obvious
#46. To: Dakmar (#45)
A conspiracy had taken place; a few of us paultards living in our parent's basements had outsmarted the best psyops the military/industrial media could bring to bear. What to do?
#47. To: christine (#44)
I don't know any RP supporters who "jumped on another wagon".
#48. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
#49. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
So, pardon me if I don't feel obligated to hold classes for those who demand proof from me. If they don't already know (and insist that I "name names". Okay how about "TooConservative and TwentyTwelve"?) that Americans suffer from political arrested development then they may be victims of political dilettante narcissism themselves.
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG (#46)
They never did explain how you were able to defeat the software that logged your IP and prevented multiple votes cast for Paul.
#51. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
I'm not going to assume to know why he quit, but I suspect it was because he's a Republican and didn't want to be a spoiler to his party's standard-bearer, John McCain. As disgusting a thought as that is to me, it's logical given his infamous Trotsky memo and the Republican insiders he chose to run his campaign.
#52. To: Dakmar (#50)
Like I said, it's a conspiracy.
#53. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
he was the wrong man to go bare knuckles with street fighters.
#54. To: christine (#44)
the only ones i know jumped from RP onto the Obama bandwagon.
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
#56. To: Dakmar (#50)
Like I said, it's a conspiracy.
#57. To: TooConservative (#51)
He stuck a knife in McStain at every chance, as did the rest of us. And he expected nothing better by Yomama either.
#58. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#57)
#60. To: TooConservative (#58)
Ron Paul repeatedly disparaged McStain and his war agenda and his neocon backers. Then he endorsed the CP candidate, not indirectly.
#61. To: TooConservative (#58)
#62. To: Dakmar (#59)
Glen Beck can produce tears on demand, how many electoral college votes is that worth you suppose?
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#63. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
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'dawg, IMO Paul flat out quit. I'm not going to assume to know why he quit, but I suspect it was because he's a Republican and didn't want to be a spoiler to his party's standard-bearer, John McCain. As disgusting a thought as that is to me, it's logical given his infamous Trotsky memo and the Republican insiders he chose to run his campaign. This isn't to take away the good that he did, it's simply to say he was the wrong man to go bare knuckles with street fighters.
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#63)
#65. To: Jethro Tull (#64)
at this point in time the question for us is how do we grab hold of the leadership of that mass of humanity that was in DC on Saturday. It's undeniable that the situation for many is critical. That the right? is in the street is something I've never seen in my lifetime. If this turns out to be a full fledged movement, and not a single event, Ron Paul will be remembered as the flint that caused the spark. If he had the fire, he'd be the guy to shove the internationalists aside and lead, but it isn't in his character. It's not a fault, but rather a disappointment. What about
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#65)
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#61)
I was hoping that after $28 million dollars was raised in one money bomb
Only he can answer why he remains an R, but it isn't because he's afraid of a challenge to his congressional seat, one he won by a 70%-30% margin.
This last selection offered our side the very best opportunity to launch a new party.
And now what he began has been usurped by Beck and that blows pretty hard. But we will get the Fed audited, right? Nah.....
#68. To: TooConservative (#67)
#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
#70. To: TooConservative (#69)
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
#72. To: TooConservative (#69)
While the GOP is truly awful, the Dims are constitutionally and fiscally insane so you therefore have the libertarian Republicans and the Republican Liberty Caucus and the Campaign For Liberty. They are all, in theory at least, Republican. But it is only for ballot access. If Republicans agree with us, fine. Otherwise, screw them. This is all completely consistent with Ron Paul's own campaigns and conduct in 2008.
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#66)
Louis Beam = leaderless resistance. It sends shivers down the backs of the establishment.
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