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Title: Piggy flu news: Penn State has 20(+) players "very sick" *after* having taken the shot
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Published: Sep 19, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-09-19 08:28:38 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 74

So there you have it, direct from the wide world of sports; take the shot and go down sick. When I found out last night I immediately took Temple with 30 points, and I also bet $50 on the under since it looks like the water boy will be the starting quarterback and Temple is one step above high school level. These are young, healthy kids who became sick after after testing a vaccine for our paranoid, psychotic government. I just hit the Immune Assist, D3, and camu-camu. I fear no bug!

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#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Jethro

Are you kidding? Was the shots for the 'new' swine flu?

I've been pounding D3 too and just ordered a lot more. I'm going to stock up on GSE, and Olive Leaf. MY C-Silver generator will be ready to go. I have hundreds of packs of Emergen-C to go with the rest of my stuff. There is no way in hell I'm taking that shot.

InsideJob  posted on  2009-09-19   9:44:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I've been pounding D3 too and just ordered a lot more. I'm going to stock up on GSE, and Olive Leaf. MY C-Silver generator will be ready to go. I have hundreds of packs of Emergen-C to go with the rest of my stuff. There is no way in hell I'm taking that shot.

As I mentioned on another thread, Sambucol (also sold as Sambucus) is probably THE best thing you could take to actually CURE the flu.

Here's a link to that info..

Elderberry extract - Sambucus/Sambucol

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-19   9:55:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sambucol (also sold as Sambucus) is probably THE best thing you could take to actually CURE the flu.

Do some research

Sambucol will aggravate piggy flu, don't take it (and no, I don't have a link but it's out there)

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-19   9:58:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Sambucol will aggravate piggy flu, don't take it (and no, I don't have a link but it's out there)

I've not seen anything that says that. I'd take Samucol before I'd take the shot or just sit back and cross my fingers.

So yeah, if you can find a link post it.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-19   10:03:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd take Samucol before I'd take the shot or just sit back and cross my fingers.

So yeah, if you can find a link post it.

Here it is:

While black elderberry extract be appropriate for ordinary Type A influenza, it could make avian flu more lethal. Ordinary strains of flu do not trigger massive production of TNF, and ordinary flu viruses are generally susceptible to the action of TNF. Avian flu, by contrast, does trigger massive production of TNF (as much as a 45x increase), while the virus is relatively resistant to the anti-viral effects of TNF. If TNF is a significant cause of the illness and mortality in avian flu, anything that increases TNF would be undesirable.

www.med-owl.com/herbal-an...php?page=Black+Elderberry

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-19   10:11:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Elderberrry extract has been shown to disarm viruses by flattening the haemaglutinin spikes on the flu virus, keeping it from invading cells in the human body.

From How Sambucol works

The flu virus invades a cell by puncturing the wall with tiny spikes called Hemaglutinin which cover the surface of the virus. The two active ingredients which are isolated from the proteins of the black elderberry actually disarm these spikes by binding to them and preventing them from puncturing the cell membranes. In addition, the viral spikes are covered with an enzyme called neuraminidase which acts to break down the cell wall. It was discovered that the bioflavonoids which are present in high concentrations in the black elderberry appear to actually inhibit the action of this enzyme.

So you see, besides the fact the elderberry extract triggers cytokine production, which in turn causes the immune system to create disease fighting lymphocytes, it also disarms the virus itself by the action described above.

That is in addition to the anti-inflammatory effects of the anthocyanins contained in elderberry extract which counteract the inflammatory effects of cytokines.

In summary, I would still take Sambucol before I took any toxic brew in my arm or swallowed Tamiflu which has been known to cause people to commit suicide.

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-19   10:34:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In summary, I would still take Sambucol before I took any toxic brew in my arm or swallowed Tamiflu which has been known to cause people to commit suicide.

Hey, I'm not looking for an argument and I wouldn't take the shot or Tamiflu. My point is simply that there is conflicting information on the appropriateness of Sambucol for Swine Flu.

IMO there are other OTC remedies that are better suited to combat the H5N1 Avian Flu virus.

Avian Flu Potential Therapies
www.med-owl.com/herbal-an...x.php?page=H5N1+Avian+Flu

Flintlock  posted on  2009-09-19   10:54:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: Flintlock (#35) (Edited)

Hey, I'm not looking for an argument and I wouldn't take the shot or Tamiflu. My point is simply that there is conflicting information on the appropriateness of Sambucol for Swine Flu.

IMO there are other OTC remedies that are better suited to combat the H5N1 Avian Flu virus.

The source you gave did not consider the action of elderberry extract in terms of disarming the viral spikes which is what allows the virus to invade a healthy cell in the first place. That is a huge oversight on the part of that author, and makes his analysis less than accurate.

He also didn't mention the fact that it contains anthocyanins which counteract the inflammatory effects of the cytokines which he appears to be so concerned about. He neglects the fact that TNF is just one of the many cytokines produced, and that the others actually trigger Lymphocytes, the majority of which are known as Natural Killer Cells (NK) as they kill tumors and cells which are infected with viruses, as well as T cells and B cells, which are a type of Lymphocyte that trigger and coordinate antibody production against pathogens such as viruses and harmful bacteria...

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-19 11:05:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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