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Title: Piggy flu news: Penn State has 20(+) players "very sick" *after* having taken the shot
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Published: Sep 19, 2009
Author: me
Post Date: 2009-09-19 08:28:38 by Jethro Tull
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So there you have it, direct from the wide world of sports; take the shot and go down sick. When I found out last night I immediately took Temple with 30 points, and I also bet $50 on the under since it looks like the water boy will be the starting quarterback and Temple is one step above high school level. These are young, healthy kids who became sick after after testing a vaccine for our paranoid, psychotic government. I just hit the Immune Assist, D3, and camu-camu. I fear no bug!
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
This pretty much verifies what we've all been reading about...
(((PING)))
Did JoPa get jabbed also?
Jethro Are you kidding? Was the shots for the 'new' swine flu? I've been pounding D3 too and just ordered a lot more. I'm going to stock up on GSE, and Olive Leaf. MY C-Silver generator will be ready to go. I have hundreds of packs of Emergen-C to go with the rest of my stuff. There is no way in hell I'm taking that shot.
formerly GJones.
wow! after the shot!
Not sure of the details beyond what I posted which comes from a premium PSU football board. I heard rumbles about this early yesterday, but it's now confirmed. I honestly don't know if they have enough kids to play at this point. I'll be watching from home, so I'll keep the thread updated as I receive news.
Mom was tellng me about some healthy 23 year old local who did his patriotic duty and got the shot. The doctors have stated with 100% certainty that he won't be getting the piggy flu. He dead.
bump for reference
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
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As I mentioned on another thread, Sambucol (also sold as Sambucus) is probably THE best thing you could take to actually CURE the flu. Here's a link to that info.. Ping to post 10
Thanks, JT. Just a guess, but knowing the way most football programs try to do things as 'family,' the entire squad and coaching staff got jabbed - just a guess.
Do some research Sambucol will aggravate piggy flu, don't take it (and no, I don't have a link but it's out there)
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
I've not seen anything that says that. I'd take Samucol before I'd take the shot or just sit back and cross my fingers. So yeah, if you can find a link post it.
I haven't seen anything on it that says they were jabbed. Do you have a link on that?
christine, bump to Eric's #9
omg
Flint; A company named Birkdale manufactures Immune Assist 247. I take four a day, two in the AM, two in the PM
BTW Flint, I HAVE done more than just a bit of research on the topic, follow the links I posted and you'll see that I didn't just hear about this yesterday. Now you made an assertion that it is unsafe to take Samucol, which seems sort of contradictory to the medical findings. Back up what you say if you want to make a point here, otherwise you're probably just repeating some disinfo put out on some forum by the drug companies that are pushing the vaccine and Tamiflu, both of which ARE highly dangerous.
So yeah, if you can find a link post it. Here it is: While black elderberry extract be appropriate for ordinary Type A influenza, it could make avian flu more lethal. Ordinary strains of flu do not trigger massive production of TNF, and ordinary flu viruses are generally susceptible to the action of TNF. Avian flu, by contrast, does trigger massive production of TNF (as much as a 45x increase), while the virus is relatively resistant to the anti-viral effects of TNF. If TNF is a significant cause of the illness and mortality in avian flu, anything that increases TNF would be undesirable. When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
Nah, it's perfectly normal for 23 year olds to just drop dead.
i have a health guru. he researches supplements, etc. it's what he does. this is the brand of D3 he recommends. https://secure.bio-tech-pharm.com/catalog.aspx?cat_id=2 5k IU caps -- recommended dosage for winter 20k a day
Not sure about the Immune Assist and camu-camu, but if D3 was actually a preventative, don't you think the football team would all be healthy since they're out in the sun practicing during the day? Vitamin D is produced naturally by the human body when exposed to sunlight.
The pricing certainly seems reasonable. Thank you for the link.
Wifey got sick a couple of weeks ago, might've been piggy flu. She was sick about 4 days or so. Just call me Nurse Jim.
That's just it - they were healthy before taking the shot.
Sunshine is a sporadic commodity here in central PA at this time of the year.
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Elderberrry extract has been shown to disarm viruses by flattening the haemaglutinin spikes on the flu virus, keeping it from invading cells in the human body. From How Sambucol works So you see, besides the fact the elderberry extract triggers cytokine production, which in turn causes the immune system to create disease fighting lymphocytes, it also disarms the virus itself by the action described above. That is in addition to the anti-inflammatory effects of the anthocyanins contained in elderberry extract which counteract the inflammatory effects of cytokines. In summary, I would still take Sambucol before I took any toxic brew in my arm or swallowed Tamiflu which has been known to cause people to commit suicide.
I've seen many different brands at health stores, and both Sambucol and Sambucus at local pharmacies, including CVS.
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If one doesn't fit neatly into some government category, they're different and must be fixed.-jethro tull
The team I'm concerned about is the Texas Longhorns. After having seen the segment at halftime a couple of weeks ago of Coach Mack Brown going over to Iraq to "worship" the troops at Camp Granada or wherever, I have very little hope he will resist the authoritarian mindset to order mass inoculations for his team. This may well have already happened. Mack, IMO, is not the type who would object. He would want his team to be like the "troops," who are subjected to ANY and EVERY inoculation known to man before deployments.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Hey, I'm not looking for an argument and I wouldn't take the shot or Tamiflu. My point is simply that there is conflicting information on the appropriateness of Sambucol for Swine Flu. IMO there are other OTC remedies that are better suited to combat the H5N1 Avian Flu virus. Avian Flu Potential Therapies When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole a bike and asked him to forgive me.
Thanks for that disturbing information. Wake up, Mack!
agreed. i would bet that there isn't a coach out there at any level who isn't the same.
fantasynews.cbssports.com/more/story/12207907 Favorable matchup: Penn State vs. Temple. This game wasn't even close in 2008. Penn State used a 31-point second quarter to rout the Owls, 45-3. Penn State rolled up 308 rushing yards and QB Daryll Clark didn't even need to play the whole game. Temple lost to a FCS school in Week 1 (Villanova), so they are already headed in the wrong direction.
Thanks for the ping.
the point is, the players are sick from having received the vaccine. they most likely would not have gotten the flu otherwise.
IMO there are other OTC remedies that are better suited to combat the H5N1 Avian Flu virus. The source you gave did not consider the action of elderberry extract in terms of disarming the viral spikes which is what allows the virus to invade a healthy cell in the first place. That is a huge oversight on the part of that author, and makes his analysis less than accurate. He also didn't mention the fact that it contains anthocyanins which counteract the inflammatory effects of the cytokines which he appears to be so concerned about. He neglects the fact that TNF is just one of the many cytokines produced, and that the others actually trigger Lymphocytes, the majority of which are known as Natural Killer Cells (NK) as they kill tumors and cells which are infected with viruses, as well as T cells and B cells, which are a type of Lymphocyte that trigger and coordinate antibody production against pathogens such as viruses and harmful bacteria...
I'm still trying to find a link stating that they have in fact taken a vaccine, whether it be the "seasonal flu" vaccine or H1N1. From what I've found so far, they are still waiting for the H1N1 vaccine to be available.
www.timesleader.com/news/...s_before_Temple_game.html Saturday, September 19, 2009 10:08 am Posted: 7:31 AM Updated: 7:45 AM Illness hits Lions before Temple game By Derek Levarse dlevarse@timesleader.com Sports Reporter Penn State has had little trouble with Temple in the past three years. Outside forces could make the fourth game much trickier. An unidentified illness has swept through the Nittany Lions' locker room this week and disrupted practice leading up to today's game against the Owls, according to defensive coordinator Tom Bradley. "We've had a bunch of kids sick this week, we've had as many as 15," Bradley said Friday on a weekly segment with ESPN Radio 1250 in Pittsburgh. "So we're just being extra careful and cautious. We had about 18 guys miss practice (Thursday) from whatever kind of flu it is. And I know our doctors are on top of it, just trying to be really cautious." As of Friday night, it was unclear if any players would be held out for the Temple game as a result of the bug. With recent global concerns over the spread of the H1N1 virus -- also known as swine flu -- sports teams across the country have taken precautionary measures Bradley said Penn State coaches and players received basic flu shots last Sunday, especially after reports of other major college teams being severely affected. Last week, both Wisconsin and Mississippi had a combined 40 players forced off the field because of swine flu symptoms. Georgia, Washington State, Duke and Tulane have also been hit by the bug in the first month of the season. The fear isn't as much about players playing or practicing while sick, but spreading the ailment to others. "It scares us to death," Texas coach Mack Brown told The Associated Press. Bradley said none of the Penn State cases have been identified as swine flu, but under-the-weather players have been held out as a precaution. "Some it's been a couple days, some a day, but the doctors are just not sure what it is yet, so they're being so cautious and just getting them out and getting them away from everybody rather than risk that it may be (swine flu)," Bradley said. "Our doctors are working very hard this week." For updates on how the illness is affecting the Lions, including any players being held out of the Temple game, visit The Times Leader PSU Blog for breaking news from Beaver Stadium as kickoff approaches.
Good catch - thanks.
So there we have it, they took the "seasonal" shot. As I've said in the past, THAT shot is harmful in itself and totally ineffective. I can just imagine what the super duper untested H1N1 shot will be like...
"Bradley said Penn State coaches and players received basic flu shots last Sunday, especially after reports of other major college teams being severely affected. Last week, both Wisconsin and Mississippi had a combined 40 players forced off the field because of swine flu symptoms."
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-Entire team got flu shots last Sunday -doctors not sure what it is yet -Symptoms of flu began to appear Tuesday -the entire team didn't practice Thursday or Friday
Just got it FL - thanks.
I know everyone is having fun here but why am I not seeing any articles to support what you guys are saying? Articles, please.
Dr. David Williams recommends 50,000 IU a day for 3 days during a flu bout. http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/default.aspx?Panelcode=BN000546&Listcode=128876&gclid=CLLPnsKG_pwCFQRM5QodJCjCbw
formerly GJones.
See #44 for the details.
my guy has us on 50IU once a week. apparently latest research shows a megadose like that is most effective. however, i know someone who's tried this and he feels better doing the daily 10k to 20IU, but that's good to know if one actually does contract the flu.
In #44, I see they got the seasonal flu shot. And they are reporting swine flu-like symptoms (which are identical to regular flu symptoms BTW). Never mind. Carry on.
Has the Flu Bowl kicked off yet?
LOL. Apparently, the moment of doom is not quite here yet. But it'll happen Real Soon Now.
Flu Bowl over. PSU 31, Temple 6. Total vanilla offense, run, run, run. The kids were lethargic and again, they all developed illness after the vaccine.
By Derek Levarse dlevarse@timesleader.com Penn State has had little trouble with Temple in the past three years. Outside forces could make the fourth game much trickier. An unidentified illness has swept through the Nittany Lions' locker room this week and disrupted practice leading up to today's game against the Owls, according to defensive coordinator Tom Bradley. "We've had a bunch of kids sick this week, we've had as many as 15," Bradley said Friday on a weekly segment with ESPN Radio 1250 in Pittsburgh. "So we're just being extra careful and cautious. We had about 18 guys miss practice (Thursday) from whatever kind of flu it is. And I know our doctors are on top of it, just trying to be really cautious." As of Friday night, it was unclear if any players would be held out for the Temple game as a result of the bug. With recent global concerns over the spread of the H1N1 virus -- also known as swine flu -- sports teams across the country have taken precautionary measures Bradley said Penn State coaches and players received basic flu shots last Sunday, especially after reports of other major college teams being severely affected. Last week, both Wisconsin and Mississippi had a combined 40 players forced off the field because of swine flu symptoms. Georgia, Washington State, Duke and Tulane have also been hit by the bug in the first month of the season. The fear isn't as much about players playing or practicing while sick, but spreading the ailment to others. "It scares us to death," Texas coach Mack Brown told The Associated Press. Bradley said none of the Penn State cases have been identified as swine flu, but under-the-weather players have been held out as a precaution. "Some it's been a couple days, some a day, but the doctors are just not sure what it is yet, so they're being so cautious and just getting them out and getting them away from everybody rather than risk that it may be (swine flu)," Bradley said. "Our doctors are working very hard this week." For updates on how the illness is affecting the Lions, including any players being held out of the Temple game, visit The Times Leader PSU Blog for breaking news from Beaver Stadium as kickoff approaches.
If your question is about Penn State and Temple's football game, it is over. Penn State won the game 31-6. It is the fourth year in a row that Temple hasn't been able to score a touchdown against the Lions. Of the 15 "sick" players, five of them didn't play at all. Sorry you lost your bet Jethro.
So there you have it, direct from the wide world of sports Since you have posted no source or link then it would appear that it is direct from you.
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I won $100 I had Temple with +30 points ($50) and the under at 47 points. ($50)
Those scrappy Penn players rose from their vaccine-induced deathbeds and achieved a heroic victory over Temple and the swiney-flu and who knows how many other micro-organisms. "Win one for the Gipper."
Temple??? Thats akin to beating the Olde Folks Home.
Yes, you'll have to take my word for it. I heard it from multiple sources on both the local radio shows here and on the various message boards I pay to be a member of.
Does the little woman know you are wandering around loose with a hundred bucks in your pocket???
Not a chance. That's my play money :)
What's the lastest "swine line".?
sports.espn.go.com/espnra...ontext=podcast&id=444721 3
Go to app. 1:25 on the above link.
flu shots Sunday -- sick 4 days later. not difficult to deduce.
And you wonder why I can't do groups :P
Thanks, and good work on your wagers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#2. To: TwentyTwelve, Original Intent, wudidiz (#0)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#6. To: FormerLurker, InsideJob, Lod, christine, Swine, all (#2)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Immune Assist, D3, and camu-camu.
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#10. To: InsideJob, Jethro Tull (#4)
I've been pounding D3 too and just ordered a lot more. I'm going to stock up on GSE, and Olive Leaf. MY C-Silver generator will be ready to go. I have hundreds of packs of Emergen-C to go with the rest of my stuff. There is no way in hell I'm taking that shot.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#11. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#13. To: FormerLurker (#10)
Sambucol (also sold as Sambucus) is probably THE best thing you could take to actually CURE the flu.
#14. To: Flintlock (#13)
Sambucol will aggravate piggy flu, don't take it (and no, I don't have a link but it's out there)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#16. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#9)
I defer to the expert.
#17. To: Esso (#7)
#18. To: Flintlock (#8)
#19. To: Flintlock (#13)
Do some research
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: FormerLurker, Jethro Tull, All (#14)
I'd take Samucol before I'd take the shot or just sit back and cross my fingers.
#21. To: christine (#17)
omg
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#22. To: Eric Stratton (#9)
#23. To: Jethro Tull, Flintlock (#8)
Immune Assist, D3, and camu-camu.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#24. To: christine (#22)
#25. To: christine (#17)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#26. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#27. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#28. To: FormerLurker (#10)
#29. To: Flintlock, Jethro Tull, All (#20)
The flu virus invades a cell by puncturing the wall with tiny spikes called Hemaglutinin which cover the surface of the virus. The two active ingredients which are isolated from the proteins of the black elderberry actually disarm these spikes by binding to them and preventing them from puncturing the cell membranes. In addition, the viral spikes are covered with an enzyme called neuraminidase which acts to break down the cell wall. It was discovered that the bioflavonoids which are present in high concentrations in the black elderberry appear to actually inhibit the action of this enzyme.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: Eric Stratton (#28)
Seriously, is that stuff available at places like Target or CVS?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: christine (#22)
#32. To: FormerLurker (#30)
#33. To: Jethro Tull, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#35. To: FormerLurker, Jethro Tull, All (#29)
In summary, I would still take Sambucol before I took any toxic brew in my arm or swallowed Tamiflu which has been known to cause people to commit suicide.
www.med-owl.com/herbal-an...x.php?page=H5N1+Avian+Flu
#36. To: Sam Houston (#34)
#37. To: Sam Houston (#34)
He would want his team to be like the "troops," who are subjected to ANY and EVERY inoculation known to man before deployments.
#38. To: Eric Stratton (#31)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
When I found out last night I immediately took Temple with 30 points, and I also bet $50 on the under since it looks like the water boy will be the starting quarterback and Temple is one step above high school level.
#40. To: FormerLurker (#2)
#41. To: FormerLurker (#23)
#42. To: Flintlock (#35)
(Edited)
Hey, I'm not looking for an argument and I wouldn't take the shot or Tamiflu. My point is simply that there is conflicting information on the appropriateness of Sambucol for Swine Flu.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: christine (#41)
the point is, the players are sick from having received the vaccine. they most likely would not have gotten the flu otherwise.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#44. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#0)
#45. To: TwentyTwelve (#44)
#46. To: TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull, ALL (#44)
Bradley said Penn State coaches and players received basic flu shots last Sunday,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: Former_Lurker, Christine (#44)
#48. To: christine (#38)
#49. To: christine (#41)
#50. To: All (#49)
Just in
#51. To: FormerLurker (#46)
#52. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#7)
#53. To: christine (#22)
5k IU caps -- recommended dosage for winter 20k a day
#54. To: TooConservative (#52)
#55. To: InsideJob (#53)
#56. To: Lod (#54)
#57. To: TooConservative, Jethro Tull, football fans here (#56)
#58. To: Lod (#57)
#59. To: Lod (#57)
#60. To: TooConservative (#58)
From the Lame stream
Illness hits Lions before Temple game
Sports Reporter
#61. To: Lod, Jethro Tull, All (#57)
Has the Flu Bowl kicked off yet?
#62. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Title: Piggy flu news: Penn State has 20(+) players "very sick" *after* having taken the shot Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Sep 19, 2009 Author: me
#63. To: LACUMO (#61)
Sorry you lost your bet Jethro.
#64. To: LACUMO (#61)
My goodness.
#65. To: TooConservative (#64)
#66. To: Hayek Fan (#62)
Since you have posted no source or link then it would appear that it is direct from you.
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#63)
I won $100
#68. To: Cynicom (#67)
#69. To: Jethro Tull, all (#59)
vaccine
#70. To: Hayek Fan (#62)
#71. To: All (#70)
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#71)
#73. To: christine (#72)
#74. To: Jethro Tull (#59)
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