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Title: No Where Else To Go
Source: Rockwell
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Published: Sep 21, 2009
Author: by Michael Gaddy
Post Date: 2009-09-21 10:20:19 by ghostdogtxn
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#3. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

The war between 1861 and 1865 was arguably just a continuation of the battles depicted in the movie "Braveheart."

The South, definitely including where I am in East Texas, was settled by and large by Scots-Irish folk. It became the dominant culture over that of the less numerous English in the region which became the Confederacy. The Scots-Irish previously had also served as slavemasters in the British Empire in such places as the West Indies. The English served more as the clerks in the counting houses, adding up the profits from the "dirty work" done by the Scots and their slaves in the actual island plantations.

The central part of Texas settled largely by the Germans voted overwhelmingly to remain in the Union, but were outvoted by places such as my county, which voted 9-1 to secede.

The North is dominated by folk of English, Dutch, German and Scandinavian ancestry. Whether it is because they have higher overall IQs than the Scots-Irish or whatever, there was never much doubt they would eventually win a war against the latter. Sam Houston knew this and that's no doubt one reason he sided with the Texans of German origin against secession, even though he himself was of Scots-Irish ancestry.

There is an excellent book about the various regions of this country and whose culture dominates each region called Albion's Seed.

The Scots-Irish are not "Irish." They are Scottish. The Irish part of the term comes from the fact so many of them were deported to Northern Ireland by the English/British.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-09-21   11:10:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom (#3)

According to Fischer, the foundation of American culture was formed from four mass emigrations from four different regions of the British Isles by four different socio-religious groups. New England's constitutional period occurred between 1629 and 1640 when Puritans, most from East Anglia, settled there. The next mass migration was of southern English cavaliers and their Irish and Scottish servants to the Chesapeake Bay region between 1640 and 1675. Then, between 1675 and 1725 thousands of Irish, English and German Quakers, led by William Penn settled the Delaware Valley. Finally, Irish, Scottish and English settlers from the borderlands of Britain and Ireland migrated to Appalachia between 1717 and 1775. Each of these migrations produced a distinct regional culture which can still be seen in America today. The four migrations are discussed in the four main chapters of the book:

interesting. coincidentally i was watching a movie last night that took place in Louisianna. it made me wonder when and why the french migrated and settled in Lousianna. i asked Cyni and he explained they came by way of Canada and were known as Acadians who then became cajuns. do you know if this was in the 16 or 1700s?

christine  posted on  2009-09-21   11:52:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#5)

According to Fischer, the foundation of American culture was formed from four mass emigrations from four different regions of the British Isles by four different socio-religious groups. New England's constitutional period occurred between 1629 and 1640 when Puritans, most from East Anglia, settled there. The next mass migration was of southern English cavaliers and their Irish and Scottish servants to the Chesapeake Bay region between 1640 and 1675. Then, between 1675 and 1725 thousands of Irish, English and German Quakers, led by William Penn settled the Delaware Valley. Finally, Irish, Scottish and English settlers from the borderlands of Britain and Ireland migrated to Appalachia between 1717 and 1775. Each of these migrations produced a distinct regional culture which can still be seen in America today. The four migrations are discussed in the four main chapters of the book:

interesting. coincidentally i was watching a movie last night that took place in Louisianna. it made me wonder when and why the french migrated and settled in Lousianna. i asked Cyni and he explained they came by way of Canada and were known as Acadians who then became cajuns. do you know if this was in the 16 or 1700s?

What about us Welsh Scots-Irish German Injuns? ;-)

(Earliest English ancestor emigrated from Wales ca. 1626-1630).

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-21   13:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

If your "English" ancestor was native to Wales, then he was a brythonic celt, not "English" in the terms of an Anglo-Saxon. Two different cultures, two different languages, a fierce hatred of each other, all that. :)

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-21   13:44:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SonOfLiberty (#12)

Actually if you trace my patronym back far enough it was Norman-Italian. That was prior to 1066 of course.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-09-21   13:55:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)

Well, I don't technically know your patronym . I was working under the impression that you were simply claiming English heritage from what I assumed was actually a Welshman/woman, as I've seen that more than once in my lifetime. :)

I'm fortunate to have a genealogist in the family who is *very* thorough and knowledgeable. I've also a pretty decent knowledge of ancient/founding English/Gaelic history (think 600 AD-ish until ~1200's), and some general level Brythonic celtic history, and no small amount of familiarity with the Anglo-Saxon language (old English, the West Germanic language ours derived from, closely related to Frisian and Old Dutch). Not all encompassing, but probably greater than your above average American, all things considered.

My family, I can tell you with absolute certainty, originated from three distinct places. In a general sense I'm of Gael descent primarily, followed closely by English and French (Norman French). Even know and have visited the cities they live(d) in and studied their rather extensive histories. Fun stuff.

Anywho, sorry about that, I was assuming you were making a very common mistake. My bad.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-09-21   14:06:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#14)

Anywho, sorry about that, I was assuming you were making a very common mistake. My bad.

Oh, no offense taken. I am fortunate in the same regard. Thanks to my Cousin the Genealogist I even have a copy of the family coat of arms (which I was surprised to find out is one of the oldest known dating prior to 1066). The rest is conjecture based on historical movements, but my patronymic line appears to have been Italians who settled in Normandy during the Middle Ages (ca. 700 - 800 A.D.). They then became attached to the House of Orange and were among William of Orange's invading Knights. My ancestor was given a fiefdom in Wales where the family castle, repossessed by the Crown for back taxes, now in ruins, was built. In my daydreams I've always thought it would be fun to win the lottery and reclaim the ol' homestead. Although it would take some tracing - my guess is that I am not in the direct line of succession which is why my ancestor moved to the colonies.

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