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Title: 4 SWAT team officers shot in raid on NJ shore home
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... l/a025204D56.DTL#ixzz0S2voY9xx
Published: Sep 24, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-09-24 13:35:04 by Brian S
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(09-24) 08:51 PDT Lakewood, N.J. (AP) --

A gunman opened fire early Thursday on a SWAT team that burst into a home during a drug and gun raid, wounding four officers while spraying bullets from atop a staircase, authorities said. One officer was critically wounded. More News

Lakewood Patrolman Jonathan Wilson was shot in the face during the raid, and was in critical but stable condition at a local hospital. Authorities said they were optimistic he would survive despite being grievously wounded.

"He is in good spirits, and he's communicating," said Ocean County Prosecutor Marlene Lynch Ford.

Authorities said Wilson is in danger of losing an eye from the gunshot wound. Wilson is a six-year veteran of the force who is married with four children, including a newborn.

Police Chief Robert Lawson said the officer was shot in the forehead. But because the bullet was fired at a downward angle, it did not penetrate his skull, instead exiting through the side of his face.

Lt. Greg Meyer was shot in the foot, and was in good condition at the hospital following surgery for bone injuries.

Two other Lakewood officers, Sgt. Louis Sasso and Patrolman Leonard Nieves Sr. were shot in their specially reinforced bulletproof vests, sustaining only minor injuries despite being struck in the chest. They were treated and released from the hospital.

The suspect, Jamie Gonzalez, 39, was in critical condition after suffering numerous gunshot wounds as police returned fire, Ford said.

He was charged with four counts of attempted murder, as well illegal weapons possession and receiving stolen property. The .357 Magnum used to shoot the officers was reported stolen from South Carolina, Ford said.

Gonzalez was to be held on $2 million bail once released from the hospital.

A second man who was inside the house when the shooting erupted also was in custody, but had not been charged as of mid-day Thursday. First Assistant Prosecutor Ronald DeLigny said it does not appear the second person was involved in the shooting, but may be implicated in the underlying guns and drugs case that brought the multi-agency task force to the house in the first place.

At 2:25 a.m., the task force consisting of officers from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, New Jersey State Police, the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office and Lakewood police executed a "no-knock" search warrant at the single family split-level home.

They knocked down the door with a battering ram, entered a mid-level landing and were heading upstairs when Gonzalez opened fire on them from atop a staircase, striking the four officers, authorities said.

Police returned fire and shot Gonzalez several times. It was not immediately clear how many shots were fired.

Authorities were still searching the house Thursday for evidence in the shooting case, as well as the gun and drugs case. Ford would not say whether any drugs or additional weapons were found inside.

She would not characterize the underlying drug and weapons case other than to say it was "big enough to attract the attention of the task force."

Neighbors said they had noticed numerous cars pulling up to the house then quickly leaving after the occupants entered and left the house.

"It's not the same world it used to be, people killing each other all the time," said neighbor Robin Kumar. "Police are here to protect us; why would you do such a thing?"

The shooting comes more than two months after Jersey City police Det. Marc DiNardo was shot in the face storming an apartment where two armed robbery suspects were holed up. Four other officers were wounded in the gun battle and the suspects were killed.

DiNardo was taken off life support and pronounced dead one day before his 38th birthday.

Lakewood was once known as the resort in the pines for wealthy New Yorkers in the 1800s and early 1900s. The Rockefellers and Goulds built mansions there. The township has a large Orthodox Jewish population and has one of the largest yeshivas in the world, Beth Medrash Govoha.

In recent decades, the population has become more mixed. Some sections of Lakewood have been plagued by troubles with drugs and gangs. Subscribe to *Jack-Booted Thugs*

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#11. To: Brian S (#0)

4 SWAT team officers shot in raid on NJ shore home

4 pigs in a poke.

Seems the flies are starting to SWAT back.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2009-09-24   14:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: mininggold (#9)

That makes it okay then. SWAT can go after anyone I deem to be living in "not America".

If I regard you as a cartoon character, don't take it the wrong way, ok?

So you from your perspective ALL SWAT Teams as unnecessary? Where do you live again? Shambala-Land?

YOU haven't an f'n clue with respect to THIS particular case, or what goes on in THIS area of "America," or the Founders' Principles and Tenets of freedom.

Tell me again - WHO protects your person and your property when a meth lab moves next door to you and Mexicans Gangs squat on your porch? does somebody wave a Magic Wand??

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   14:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Liberator (#12) (Edited)

If I regard you as a cartoon character, don't take it the wrong way, ok?

You replying to cartoon characters says more about yourself than me.

We should declare all of the US as "not America" as deemed by yourself then you could get the police state you so crave. My..... how DID we manage to get by without them for two hundred years?

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-24   14:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator (#10)

Why?

and why assume ALL LEOs are Evil Stormtroopers?

These perps are thugs, while the town is infested with thugs, gangs, and a virtual UN sh*t-hole of un-Americans and Invaders.

Why? Because whether they are evil storm troopers or not they are an enemy of the American people. They are the force of an immoral and unconstitutional federal government. They have forsaken their oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and hide behind the false excuse of "I don't make the laws, I just enforce them." They know right from wrong and choose to do wrong at the expense of the Constitution and the American people. They are a dishonorable group of louts who are as thuggish as those the government has named criminals.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   14:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Hayek Fan, Liberator (#14)

Why? Because whether they are evil storm troopers or not they are an enemy of the American people. They are the force of an immoral and unconstitutional federal government

Maybe liberator will show us some Bible quotes where Jesus condoned the use of Swat teams.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-24   14:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Hayek Fan (#14)

I don't make the laws, I just enforce them."

To quote a song. " Tellin me it's your job oh hoss sure don't make it right." John Mellancamp.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   14:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: mininggold (#15)

Maybe liberator will show us some Bible quotes where Jesus condoned the use of Swat teams.

Jesus "swat teams" the money changers

randge  posted on  2009-09-24   14:57:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: phantom patriot (#16)

To quote a song. " Tellin me it's your job oh hoss sure don't make it right." John Mellancamp.

Damn straight. Find an honorable career.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   14:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#17)

Jesus "swat teams" the money changers

He had invisible reenforcements.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-24   15:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mininggold (#19)

Ah!

randge  posted on  2009-09-24   15:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Hayek Fan (#18)

Damn straight. Find an honorable career.

Hell, I'd be thankfull if they just kept to the oath!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   15:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: phantom patriot (#21)

Hell, I'd be thankfull if they just kept to the oath!

That's the problem. With all of the unconstitutional laws passed by the Congress, it is impossible to keep their oath. They have to make a conscious decision. Either keep their job or keep their oath. They cannot do both.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   15:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Hayek Fan (#22)

That's the problem. With all of the unconstitutional laws passed by the Congress, it is impossible to keep their oath. They have to make a conscious decision. Either keep their job or keep their oath. They cannot do both.

Wannabet there is a Bush EO out there labeled Top Secret that suspended the Constitution, like many of his predecessors did in a time of war.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-24   15:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Hayek Fan (#22)

That's the problem. With all of the unconstitutional laws passed by the Congress, it is impossible to keep their oath. They have to make a conscious decision. Either keep their job or keep their oath. They cannot do both.

Not just congress every level of gov has been doing so unchecked. Greatly speaks to the need for replacing the law makers!!

And let me go one step further, the judges whos job it is to ensure the laws are constitutional.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   15:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: mininggold (#13) (Edited)

We should declare all of the US as "not America" as deemed by yourself then you could get the police state you so crave. My..... how DID we manage to get by without them for two hundred years?

Nice intellectual contortionism. And your hyperolics are hysterical - you never disappoint. But let's review, shall we?

So you from your perspective are ALL SWAT Teams unnecessary? And where do you live again? Shambala-Land?

YOUR ANSWER, please.

Again I'll repeat myself:

Tell me again - WHO protects your person and your property when a meth lab moves next door to you and Mexicans Gangs squat on your porch? does somebody wave a Magic Wand??

ANSWER PLEASE.

Thank you.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Liberator (#25)

Tell me again - WHO protects your person and your property when a meth lab moves next door to you and Mexicans Gangs squat on your porch? does somebody wave a Magic Wand??

ANSWER PLEASE.

Thank you.

We have Neighborhood Watch here, maybe you should try a little of your own neighborhood policing. I know, I know it means getting out and meeting your neighbors, but I'm sure your mother would approve.

mininggold  posted on  2009-09-24   15:28:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: phantom patriot (#24)

Not just congress every level of gov has been doing so unchecked. Greatly speaks to the need for replacing the law makers!!

True. I focused on the federal level only because each state has their own Constitution but the US Constitution is common to all. However, you are correct and it would be not be a surprise to find out that the government enforcers are forsaking their oaths at all levels of government.

nd let me go one step further, the judges whose job it is to ensure the laws are constitutional.

Judges are normally members in good standing of the two party fraud. Their job is to side with government over the individual and use whatever legal weasel words they can think of to justify their decisions. You will never see people like Andrew Napolitano at the federal level of the judicial system.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   15:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Hayek Fan (#14)

Because whether they are evil storm troopers or not they are an enemy of the American people. They are the force of an immoral and unconstitutional federal government. They have forsaken their oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and hide behind the false excuse of "I don't make the laws, I just enforce them." They know right from wrong and choose to do wrong at the expense of the Constitution and the American people.

You're firing an elephant gun at a fly.

The Law has ALWAYS been enforced by muscle.

Now the question is whether you feel a local militia is needed and/or armed enough to repel the MS-13 and Mexican Gangs infesting this Lakewood, NJ town, or whether professional constitutionally deputized LEOs to protect the citizenry and maintain the peace.

You can't have it both ways.

They are a dishonorable group of louts who are as thuggish as those the government has named criminals.

Again - broadbrushing all LEOs as tools of the State is not honest, nor is it beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws.

Have you ever been in one of these types of neighborhoods, or do you think you'd survive a day in one?

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Liberator (#25) (Edited)

Tell me again - WHO protects your person and your property when a meth lab moves next door to you and Mexicans Gangs squat on your porch? does somebody wave a Magic Wand??

Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy. Get in, do the deed, and get out quick before swat gets there.

Some people aren't pussies. No, I'm not suggesting you are.:)

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   15:32:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Liberator (#12)

If they are enforcing a 'no knock" warrant, they deserve whatever they get. This is America, not communist China or Soviet Union.


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-09-24   15:35:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#15)

Maybe liberator will show us some Bible quotes where Jesus condoned the use of Swat teams.

I can't find Jesus quote that condones NOT taking dopey cartoon characters seriously, but I assume its somewhere.

Btw, when you finish up drinking/excreting lunch today, don't forget go visit a meth lab and borrow a "cup of sugar."

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: randge (#17)

Jesus "swat teams" the money changers

LOL - there ya go...

What an Enforcer!

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Hayek Fan (#27)

You will never see people like Andrew Napolitano at the federal level of the judicial system.

That's a pure shame!!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   15:45:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Hayek Fan, phantom patriot (#22)

With all of the unconstitutional laws passed by the Congress, it is impossible to keep their oath. They have to make a conscious decision. Either keep their job or keep their oath. They cannot do both.

We live an interesting time that will undoubted become ever more interesting...

Exactly how LEOs and the military ultimately regard their respective oaths and allegiance will be one of the most intriguing event in U.S. History.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#34)

Exactly how LEOs and the military ultimately regard their respective oaths and allegiance will be one of the most intriguing event in U.S. History.

Ahhh yes, this I think we can agree.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   15:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mininggold (#26)

We have Neighborhood Watch here, maybe you should try a little of your own neighborhood policing. I know, I know it means getting out and meeting your neighbors, but I'm sure your mother would approve.

Armed with WHAT?? Rolled newspapers? A wet towel?

Predictably, your scenario is applicable in a "normal" neighborhood.

I only WISH I was as out of touch with reality as you. How I miss being 10 years old again...

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#28)

Now the question is whether you feel a local militia is needed and/or armed enough to repel the MS-13 and Mexican Gangs infesting this Lakewood, NJ town, or whether professional constitutionally deputized LEOs to protect the citizenry and maintain the peace.

It has been determined by the courts on several occasions that it is not the job of the police to protect the citizenry. See the following:

Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection)

Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody)

Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection)

Again - broadbrushing all LEOs as tools of the State is not honest, nor is it beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws.

I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.

Have you ever been in one of these types of neighborhoods, or do you think you'd survive a day in one?

I graduated from John Mcdonogh High School in New Orleans. I was one of three white people in a school of about 1200. The rest of the school consisted of inner city blacks from the "Dirty-D" (Desire)and Florida projects, all who hated whitie and walked around with chips on their shoulders. During this time period (I graduated in 1983) New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the country and the Desire projects was the most dangerous place in the city.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   15:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: phantom patriot (#29) (Edited)

Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy. Get in, do the deed, and get out quick before swat gets there.

That sorta used to be the way stuff was taken care of...both in rural AND urban America. There were indeed neighborhood "enforcers." And the police "looked the other way."

Some people aren't pussies. No, I'm not suggesting you are.:)

Lol...The Law obviously has been altered to deliberately neuter its citizenry both psychologically and physically.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   15:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Critter (#30)

If they are enforcing a 'no knock" warrant, they deserve whatever they get. This is America, not communist China or Soviet Union.

NOT when the recipients of the "no knock" are illegal invading scum or sh*tting all over my town.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   16:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Hayek Fan (#37)

I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.

LEOs = "Peace Officers."

We can argue for weeks about the definition of their function, or legal cases which may or may not be bullsh*t.

CAN LEOs be "tools of the State"?? Sure - no one is stating otherwise, but you're still broadbrushing individual LEOs, cases and missions.

As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.

There ya go again. Theoretically? Yes. In practical terms? Yes. Are there rogue LEOs and MOs? of course.

But it is patently unfair and untruthful to claim they are nothing more than a Tool of the State.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   16:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Hayek Fan, Jethro Tull (#37)

I graduated from John Mcdonogh High School in New Orleans. I was one of three white people in a school of about 1200. The rest of the school consisted of inner city blacks from the "Dirty-D" (Desire)and Florida projects, all who hated whitie and walked around with chips on their shoulders. During this time period (I graduated in 1983) New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the country and the Desire projects was the most dangerous place in the city.

Were you by chance the High School basketball team center? 8^P

That is amazing. So you attended a virtual Kenyan High School? Were it a yankee high school I don't know that you would have survived...

Now imagine the vibe of those natives now that 0bama is Prez....

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-24   16:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator (#12)

when a meth lab moves next door to you

It's ususally protected and served by your local pd

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-09-24   16:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator (#10)

and why assume ALL LEOs are Evil Stormtroopers?

I'd agree with the implications of your question except for the asset forfeiture laws.

Otherwise I agree that most calmly do their duty and in most situations are helpful. Caveat: On average, they are more motivated psychologically by getting the perp than helping people.

And most importantly, the white ones that don't know they're white will all figure that out eventually.

When a whole society keeps saying "It's not about race," the person who BELIEVES that will be seen as an idiot. Even by children. Even by ILLITERATE children.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-09-24   16:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#41)

Were you by chance the High School basketball team center? 8^P

That is amazing. So you attended a virtual Kenyan High School? Were it a yankee high school I don't know that you would have survived...

Now imagine the vibe of those natives now that 0bama is Prez....

Nope. Never played basketball. My dad was in the Air Force and was an ROTC instructor at the University of New Orleans at the time. We lived in a shitty part of the city because he wanted to be close to the university and that was all we could afford. It sucked ass real bad. I survived by fighting (and getting my ass kicked a lot - but not always) just about every single day that I was there.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   16:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#40)

I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.

LEOs = "Peace Officers."

We can argue for weeks about the definition of their function, or legal cases which may or may not be bullsh*t.

CAN LEOs be "tools of the State"?? Sure - no one is stating otherwise, but you're still broadbrushing individual LEOs, cases and missions.

As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.

There ya go again. Theoretically? Yes. In practical terms? Yes. Are there rogue LEOs and MOs? of course.

But it is patently unfair and untruthful to claim they are nothing more than a Tool of the State.

We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-09-24   16:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Liberator (#41)

I went to a Catholic HS in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, beginning in 1963. We traveled to school on the city bus/train system and never left school without at least a half dozen other (mostly white) kids. It was tough stuff and until that point in my life, I had never known racial hatred.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-24   17:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Liberator, Hayek Fan (#40)

LEOs = "Peace Officers."

Wrong.

LEO stands for Law Enforcement Officer.

Peace Officer is just a warm and fuzzy phrase that the media uses to make them sound "peaceful" and nothing more than gentle guys who love everyone and want to keep everyone safe.

Many of them are sadistic psychos, and simply love the power the badge and the gun provide. The REAL sickos become Special Weapons And Tactics team members, where they get to play Army with the same armament infantry teams use, although their "targets" are US citizens rather than foreign enemy forces.

Law Enforcement Officers enforce the laws of the state, right or wrong.

So no, they are NOT "Peace Officers", far from it in fact.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-09-24   17:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator (#7)

Believe me - it's not "America" - it's been hijacked. The perps in this case were Third World amalgam of mutants.

It's pretty amazing what's happened to NJ. We skipped it by, going from Staten Island to Washington Crossing, PA years ago. When there, we'd go to Trenton for Italian food, but from what I'm hearing that's all crips and bloods now. Believe me what I tell you gangs wouldn't be allowed to roam the streets in their colors, harassing citizens, years ago. They either hide or get their asses kicked. Cops today are more concerned with tickets and road blocks than taking back the streets.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-09-24   18:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Liberator (#38)

Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy. Get in, do the deed, and get out quick before swat gets there.

That sorta used to be the way stuff was taken care of...both in rural AND urban America. There were indeed neighborhood "enforcers." And the police "looked the other way."

Some people aren't pussies. No, I'm not suggesting you are.:)

Lol...The Law obviously has been altered to deliberately neuter its citizenry both psychologically and physically.

I agree with you. I don't know if you follow that show but that is exactly where they are in a small town with meth dealers. It just seemed appropriate to sorta compare.

But in reality the actions of swat teams is not always appropriate. Remember that Mayor?

I think citizens can make better judgements sometimes, I really do.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   18:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: phantom patriot (#29)

Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy.

i love that show!

christine  posted on  2009-09-24   18:19:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: christine (#50)

i love that show!

Yeah, I'm kinda addicted. It reminds me of my younger days. Not the extreme violence but we sure use to take care of bad guys with the cops approval. There were only 3. They took advantage of the help.

Same kinda small town thing.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-09-24   18:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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