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Title: 4 SWAT team officers shot in raid on NJ shore home
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Published: Sep 24, 2009
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(09-24) 08:51 PDT Lakewood, N.J. (AP) -- A gunman opened fire early Thursday on a SWAT team that burst into a home during a drug and gun raid, wounding four officers while spraying bullets from atop a staircase, authorities said. One officer was critically wounded. More News Lakewood Patrolman Jonathan Wilson was shot in the face during the raid, and was in critical but stable condition at a local hospital. Authorities said they were optimistic he would survive despite being grievously wounded. "He is in good spirits, and he's communicating," said Ocean County Prosecutor Marlene Lynch Ford. Authorities said Wilson is in danger of losing an eye from the gunshot wound. Wilson is a six-year veteran of the force who is married with four children, including a newborn. Police Chief Robert Lawson said the officer was shot in the forehead. But because the bullet was fired at a downward angle, it did not penetrate his skull, instead exiting through the side of his face. Lt. Greg Meyer was shot in the foot, and was in good condition at the hospital following surgery for bone injuries. Two other Lakewood officers, Sgt. Louis Sasso and Patrolman Leonard Nieves Sr. were shot in their specially reinforced bulletproof vests, sustaining only minor injuries despite being struck in the chest. They were treated and released from the hospital. The suspect, Jamie Gonzalez, 39, was in critical condition after suffering numerous gunshot wounds as police returned fire, Ford said. He was charged with four counts of attempted murder, as well illegal weapons possession and receiving stolen property. The .357 Magnum used to shoot the officers was reported stolen from South Carolina, Ford said. Gonzalez was to be held on $2 million bail once released from the hospital. A second man who was inside the house when the shooting erupted also was in custody, but had not been charged as of mid-day Thursday. First Assistant Prosecutor Ronald DeLigny said it does not appear the second person was involved in the shooting, but may be implicated in the underlying guns and drugs case that brought the multi-agency task force to the house in the first place. At 2:25 a.m., the task force consisting of officers from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, New Jersey State Police, the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office and Lakewood police executed a "no-knock" search warrant at the single family split-level home. They knocked down the door with a battering ram, entered a mid-level landing and were heading upstairs when Gonzalez opened fire on them from atop a staircase, striking the four officers, authorities said. Police returned fire and shot Gonzalez several times. It was not immediately clear how many shots were fired. Authorities were still searching the house Thursday for evidence in the shooting case, as well as the gun and drugs case. Ford would not say whether any drugs or additional weapons were found inside. She would not characterize the underlying drug and weapons case other than to say it was "big enough to attract the attention of the task force." Neighbors said they had noticed numerous cars pulling up to the house then quickly leaving after the occupants entered and left the house. "It's not the same world it used to be, people killing each other all the time," said neighbor Robin Kumar. "Police are here to protect us; why would you do such a thing?" The shooting comes more than two months after Jersey City police Det. Marc DiNardo was shot in the face storming an apartment where two armed robbery suspects were holed up. Four other officers were wounded in the gun battle and the suspects were killed. DiNardo was taken off life support and pronounced dead one day before his 38th birthday. Lakewood was once known as the resort in the pines for wealthy New Yorkers in the 1800s and early 1900s. The Rockefellers and Goulds built mansions there. The township has a large Orthodox Jewish population and has one of the largest yeshivas in the world, Beth Medrash Govoha. In recent decades, the population has become more mixed. Some sections of Lakewood have been plagued by troubles with drugs and gangs.
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#37. To: Liberator (#28)
It has been determined by the courts on several occasions that it is not the job of the police to protect the citizenry. See the following: Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (no federal constitutional requirement that police provide protection) Calogrides v. Mobile, 475 So. 2d 560 (Ala. 1985); Cal Govt. Code 845 (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Calogrides v. Mobile, 846 (no liability for failure to arrest or to retain arrested person in custody) Davidson v. Westminster, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185, Cal. Rep. 252; 649 P.2d 894 (1982) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Stone v. State 106 Cal.App.3d 924, 165 Cal Rep. 339 (1980) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Morgan v. District of Columbia, 468 A.2d 1306 (D.C.App. 1983) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C.App 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Sapp v. Tallahassee, 348 So.2d 363 (Fla. App. 1st Dist.), cert. denied 354 So.2d 985 (Fla. 1977); Ill. Rec. Stat. 4-102 (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Keane v. Chicago, 98 Ill. App.2d 460, 240 N.E.2d 321 (1st Dist. 1968) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Jamison v. Chicago, 48 Ill. App. 3d 567 (1st Dist. 1977) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Simpson's Food Fair v. Evansville, 272 N.E.2d 871 (Ind. App.) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Silver v. Minneapolis, 170 N.W.2d 206 (Minn. 1969) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Wuetrich V. Delia, 155 N.J. Super. 324, 326, 382, A.2d 929, 930 cert. denied 77 N.J. 486, 391 A.2d 500 (1978) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Chapman v. Philadelphia, 290 Pa. Super. 281, 434 A.2d 753 (Penn. 1981) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Morris v. Musser, 84 Pa. Cmwth. 170, 478 A.2d 937 (1984) (no liability for failure to provide police protection) Again - broadbrushing all LEOs as tools of the State is not honest, nor is it beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws. I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning. Have you ever been in one of these types of neighborhoods, or do you think you'd survive a day in one? I graduated from John Mcdonogh High School in New Orleans. I was one of three white people in a school of about 1200. The rest of the school consisted of inner city blacks from the "Dirty-D" (Desire)and Florida projects, all who hated whitie and walked around with chips on their shoulders. During this time period (I graduated in 1983) New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the country and the Desire projects was the most dangerous place in the city.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
That sorta used to be the way stuff was taken care of...both in rural AND urban America. There were indeed neighborhood "enforcers." And the police "looked the other way." Some people aren't pussies. No, I'm not suggesting you are.:) Lol...The Law obviously has been altered to deliberately neuter its citizenry both psychologically and physically.
NOT when the recipients of the "no knock" are illegal invading scum or sh*tting all over my town.
LEOs = "Peace Officers." We can argue for weeks about the definition of their function, or legal cases which may or may not be bullsh*t. CAN LEOs be "tools of the State"?? Sure - no one is stating otherwise, but you're still broadbrushing individual LEOs, cases and missions. As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning. There ya go again. Theoretically? Yes. In practical terms? Yes. Are there rogue LEOs and MOs? of course. But it is patently unfair and untruthful to claim they are nothing more than a Tool of the State.
Were you by chance the High School basketball team center? 8^P That is amazing. So you attended a virtual Kenyan High School? Were it a yankee high school I don't know that you would have survived... Now imagine the vibe of those natives now that 0bama is Prez....
It's ususally protected and served by your local pd
I'd agree with the implications of your question except for the asset forfeiture laws. Otherwise I agree that most calmly do their duty and in most situations are helpful. Caveat: On average, they are more motivated psychologically by getting the perp than helping people. And most importantly, the white ones that don't know they're white will all figure that out eventually.
When a whole society keeps saying "It's not about race," the person who BELIEVES that will be seen as an idiot. Even by children. Even by ILLITERATE children.
That is amazing. So you attended a virtual Kenyan High School? Were it a yankee high school I don't know that you would have survived... Now imagine the vibe of those natives now that 0bama is Prez.... Nope. Never played basketball. My dad was in the Air Force and was an ROTC instructor at the University of New Orleans at the time. We lived in a shitty part of the city because he wanted to be close to the university and that was all we could afford. It sucked ass real bad. I survived by fighting (and getting my ass kicked a lot - but not always) just about every single day that I was there.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
LEOs = "Peace Officers." We can argue for weeks about the definition of their function, or legal cases which may or may not be bullsh*t. CAN LEOs be "tools of the State"?? Sure - no one is stating otherwise, but you're still broadbrushing individual LEOs, cases and missions. As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning. There ya go again. Theoretically? Yes. In practical terms? Yes. Are there rogue LEOs and MOs? of course. But it is patently unfair and untruthful to claim they are nothing more than a Tool of the State. We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
I went to a Catholic HS in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, beginning in 1963. We
traveled to school on the city bus/train system and never left school without
at least a half dozen other (mostly white) kids. It was tough stuff and until
that point in my life, I had never known racial hatred.
Wrong. LEO stands for Law Enforcement Officer. Peace Officer is just a warm and fuzzy phrase that the media uses to make them sound "peaceful" and nothing more than gentle guys who love everyone and want to keep everyone safe. Many of them are sadistic psychos, and simply love the power the badge and the gun provide. The REAL sickos become Special Weapons And Tactics team members, where they get to play Army with the same armament infantry teams use, although their "targets" are US citizens rather than foreign enemy forces. Law Enforcement Officers enforce the laws of the state, right or wrong. So no, they are NOT "Peace Officers", far from it in fact.
It's pretty amazing what's happened to NJ. We skipped it by, going from Staten Island to Washington Crossing, PA years ago. When there, we'd go to Trenton for Italian food, but from what I'm hearing that's all crips and bloods now. Believe me what I tell you gangs wouldn't be allowed to roam the streets in their colors, harassing citizens, years ago. They either hide or get their asses kicked. Cops today are more concerned with tickets and road blocks than taking back the streets.
Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy. Get in, do the deed, and get out quick before swat gets there. That sorta used to be the way stuff was taken care of...both in rural AND urban America. There were indeed neighborhood "enforcers." And the police "looked the other way." Some people aren't pussies. No, I'm not suggesting you are.:) Lol...The Law obviously has been altered to deliberately neuter its citizenry both psychologically and physically. I agree with you. I don't know if you follow that show but that is exactly where they are in a small town with meth dealers. It just seemed appropriate to sorta compare. But in reality the actions of swat teams is not always appropriate. Remember that Mayor? I think citizens can make better judgements sometimes, I really do.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
i love that show!
Yeah, I'm kinda addicted. It reminds me of my younger days. Not the extreme violence but we sure use to take care of bad guys with the cops approval. There were only 3. They took advantage of the help. Same kinda small town thing.
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
great plot and characters. katey sagal is especially good in it.
Oh absolutely, Peggy Bundy is a pretty bad....., well you know.:)
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
It's ususally protected and served by your local pd More often than most people would admit, you're probably right.
I'd agree with the implications of your question except for the asset forfeiture laws. And specifically Eminent Domain laws. Otherwise I agree that most calmly do their duty and in most situations are helpful. Caveat: On average, they are more motivated psychologically by getting the perp than helping people. It's admittedly a mixed bag figuring out what motivates LEOs, ain't it? Yep - Chasing down the bag guys is what fundamentally motivates those who are interested in law enforcement. And most importantly, the white ones that don't know they're white will all figure that out eventually. Oh, I think most have been acutely aware of what color they are and that a mirror reinforces the notion that they are inherently "racist." Just how that "indictment" manifests itself eventually is yet to be seen.
Just kiddin' ya, you slow movin' low-leapin' White Boy ;-) My dad was in the Air Force and was an ROTC instructor at the University of New Orleans at the time. We lived in a shitty part of the city because he wanted to be close to the university and that was all we could afford. It sucked ass real bad. I survived by fighting (and getting my ass kicked a lot - but not always) just about every single day that I was there. That's a tough upbringing... Did you have any siblings? Other than having to defend yourself an inordinate portion of your childhood, would you consider any of your childhood in the positive? Did you resent your folks because of it? Did your folks realize the crap you had to go through?
I do understand some of your points.
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Geez - Bedford Stuy? Even back in '63 it was that rough that escorts were required? I was a luckier - grew up in a Newark, NJ suburb at the edge of Zoo-Territory. My town's PD took NO sh*t from the Invaders. Of course these days Newark has bled into the burbs and every business center of Essex County is overrun. Our local blacks were fine, and were treated fairly. I played ball with several of them.... The day I found out my brand new bicycle was brazenly ripped off of my front porch by a couple of future ACORN execs was the day I realized there was problem.
I have two brothers. My next youngest brother has been in the Air Force for 21 years now and is an E-8. He's stationed at Andrews AFB in DC. I was in the army for 15 years. My "baby" brother works for the city government in a small town in Oklahoma. My Dad was in the Air Force for 30 years. There is good and bad in growing up as an Air Force brat. The good is that I've lived all over the world and met literally thousands of people from all sorts of cultures. I believe this has made me real good at reading people. The bad, of course, is that we were always moving, so every few years we had to leave all of the people we had made friends with. That was pretty tough and I would be lying if I said that it had no effect on me. When we were in New Orleans, my parents knew what we were going through, but there wasn't a whole lot they could do. We couldn't afford private schools. Besides, it may have been rough, but it taught me how to stand up for myself, to learn that pain only hurts for a little while, and that I have a lot of intestinal fortitude.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
LEO stands for Law Enforcement Officer. Peace Officer is just a warm and fuzzy phrase that the media uses to make them sound "peaceful" and nothing more than gentle guys who love everyone and want to keep everyone safe. Of course I realize "Peace Officer" is a fuzzy phase, but that is supposed be one of their primary roles. Many of them do take that role seriously, some don't. Many of them are sadistic psychos, and simply love the power the badge and the gun provide. The REAL sickos become Special Weapons And Tactics team members, where they get to play Army with the same armament infantry teams use, although their "targets" are US citizens rather than foreign enemy forces. Sure - the power trip and abuse of that power is certainly one of the reasons to be a LEO for some of these guys. We've all had experience dealing with these A-holes and jackasses. But some of these guys are actually busting their @ss and trying to be fair. We can't indict them all. Law Enforcement Officers enforce the laws of the state, right or wrong. Yeah...And some of them are conflicted about enforcing sh*tty, petty laws and treating D-bags with white gloves (no pun intended.)
Well Hayek, I'm glad you had company - your bros - under the circumstances... Bottom line? Being too insulated from struggles don't help later in life; And if you can look back at your childhood and your service days and know you endured and emerged stronger, it wasn't all bad; Probably ain't much that rattles you, and that's a good thing.
It has been said that Learned Hand was the greatest American Judge to never set on the Supreme Court. I wonder why? "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Staten island? Geez, youze guys keep on bailing ship, moving down the shore, and bustin' our chops - stay the hell there and hold the fort, d@mmit ;-) Trenton. Great Italian Food. Still. But not worth the trip into the jungle. Yeah, it's TOTALLY OCCUPIED these days. Gangs are systematically moving into towns all over Joisey and establishing toesholds - like in Lakewood, NJ. Just in the last few years I've seen a HUGE influx of these types on the roads and mini-invasions sprinkled within county neighborhoods - probably paid for through Section 8 housing. Cops today are more concerned with tickets and road blocks than taking back the streets. And that sucks....Hear ya @ gangs getting their asses kicked BEFORE establishing beachheads in neighborhoods and towns back in the day. It's all about job security and liability and sensitivity training these days. Kickin' @ss like the old days in protecting the citizenry from the savages has been seriously curtailed by lawsuits and rats.
Decent analogy. But in reality the actions of swat teams is not always appropriate. Remember that Mayor? Which Mayor? Barry of DC?? I think citizens can make better judgements sometimes, I really do. I agree. The PTB opposes citizen involvement though, don't they?
Yes, but surprisingly Al Bundy was NOT cast as her gruff biker dude hubby in the series. :-(
no, The Beast was. ;)
De Lorenzo's tomato pies...good golly miss Molly they the best. Then Conti's for dinner. It's hard to fool a New Yorker with imitation Italian food.
Lol, yep, I remember he was The Beast. Peg's actually a pretty good actress. Bundy's busy doing some sitcom that's gonna be canceled in about two more weeks.
Aye-e-e, o-o-o-h -- Right - You can't fool a New Yawkah's wit fake "Ah-med-ee-gan" food and gravy :-P My son's favorite pizza (yeah, aka "tomato pie") till this day was from da Bronx after gramma's funeral (no, can't remember the place.) You had the routine in Trenton down, eh? Are those places all still there?
That's why America is so fucked. Too many are willing to let the gov't break the rules when it appears to be to their benefit.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Hmmm...illegals with drugs and guns versus the jackbooted thugs? I suppose you can only hope for as many casualties as possible.
That's why America is so fucked. Too many are willing to let the gov't break the rules when it appears to be to their benefit. So you believe allowing invading scum to keep on sh*tting all over my town, county, state AND country is to our "benefit"? If the gubmint was enforcing the border to begin and unloading these parasites and new Marxist-demographic, this particular no-knock situation doesn't happen. Neither does 30 illegal helping bankrupt the system. THAT is why we're so screwed.
I suppose you can only hope for as many casualties as possible. Except some of the JBTs actually care about cleaning out the illegal vermin and restoring order to its own citizenry. If not them, who will do it?
I'm pretty suspicious of SWAT team tactics and philosophy. Peace officers are getting rarer.
In a Nation governed by super geniuses like Barney Fag, George Bushwhacker, et al., it's a very simple concept to put into place a temporary worker program. All of the nonsense being spewed by these parasite puppets is spoon fed to them by their BANKSTER OWNERS.
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
Now the question is whether you feel a local militia is needed and/or armed enough to repel the MS-13 and Mexican Gangs infesting this Lakewood, NJ town, or whether professional constitutionally deputized LEOs to protect the citizenry and maintain the peace.
#38. To: phantom patriot (#29)
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Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy. Get in, do the deed, and get out quick before swat gets there.
#39. To: Critter (#30)
If they are enforcing a 'no knock" warrant, they deserve whatever they get. This is America, not communist China or Soviet Union.
#40. To: Hayek Fan (#37)
I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.
#41. To: Hayek Fan, Jethro Tull (#37)
I graduated from John Mcdonogh High School in New Orleans. I was one of three white people in a school of about 1200. The rest of the school consisted of inner city blacks from the "Dirty-D" (Desire)and Florida projects, all who hated whitie and walked around with chips on their shoulders. During this time period (I graduated in 1983) New Orleans had the highest murder rate in the country and the Desire projects was the most dangerous place in the city.
#42. To: Liberator (#12)
when a meth lab moves next door to you
#43. To: Liberator (#10)
and why assume ALL LEOs are Evil Stormtroopers?
#44. To: Liberator (#41)
Were you by chance the High School basketball team center? 8^P
#45. To: Liberator (#40)
I disagree. What else are they but tools of the state? As for being beneficial to enforcing legitimate laws, the police undermine their own authority without my help whatsoever by condoning the tyrannical actions we read about on a daily basis. And keeping quiet about known abuses equates to condoning.
#46. To: Liberator (#41)
#47. To: Liberator, Hayek Fan (#40)
LEOs = "Peace Officers."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: Liberator (#7)
Believe me - it's not "America" - it's been hijacked. The perps in this case were Third World amalgam of mutants.
#49. To: Liberator (#38)
#50. To: phantom patriot (#29)
Do it just like the Sons Of Anarchy.
#51. To: christine (#50)
i love that show!
#52. To: phantom patriot (#51)
#53. To: christine (#52)
great plot and characters. katey sagal is especially good in it.
#54. To: sizzlerguy (#42)
when a meth lab moves next door to you
#55. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#43)
and why assume ALL LEOs are Evil Stormtroopers?
#56. To: Hayek Fan (#44)
Never played basketball.
#57. To: Hayek Fan (#45)
We'll just have to agree to disagree my friend.
#58. To: phantom patriot (#21)
#59. To: Jethro Tull (#46)
I went to a Catholic HS in Bedford Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, beginning in 1963. We traveled to school on the city bus/train system and never left school without at least a half dozen other (mostly white) kids. It was tough stuff and until that point in my life, I had never known racial hatred.
#60. To: Liberator (#56)
Did you have any siblings? Other than having to defend yourself an inordinate portion of your childhood, would you consider any of your childhood in the positive? Did you resent your folks because of it? Did your folks realize the crap you had to go through?
#61. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Wrong.
#62. To: Hayek Fan (#60)
I have two brothers....I was in the army for 15 years...My parents knew what we were going through, but there wasn't a whole lot they could do. We couldn't afford private schools. Besides, it may have been rough, but it taught me how to stand up for myself, to learn that pain only hurts for a little while, and that I have a lot of intestinal fortitude.
#63. To: Hayek Fan (#27)
Judges are normally members in good standing of the two party fraud. Their job is to side with government over the individual and use whatever legal weasel words they can think of to justify their decisions. You will never see people like Andrew Napolitano at the federal level of the judicial system.
Over and over again Courts have said there is nothing sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich and poor, and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands. Taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. to demand more in the name of morals is mere cant.
Honorable Learned Hand, US Appeals Court Justice There are two systems of taxation in our country: one for the informed and one for the uninformed.
Honorable Learned Hand, US Appeals Court Justice
#64. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
It's pretty amazing what's happened to NJ. We skipped it by, going from Staten Island to Washington Crossing, PA years ago. When there, we'd go to Trenton for Italian food, but from what I'm hearing that's all crips and bloods now. Believe me what I tell you gangs wouldn't be allowed to roam the streets in their colors, harassing citizens, years ago. They either hide or get their asses kicked.
#65. To: phantom patriot (#49)
I agree with you. I don't know if you follow that show but that is exactly where they are in a small town with meth dealers. It just seemed appropriate to sorta compare.
#66. To: christine, phantom patriot (#52)
great plot and characters. katey sagal is especially good in it.
#67. To: Liberator (#66)
#68. To: Liberator (#64)
#69. To: christine (#67)
no, The Beast was. ;)
#70. To: Jethro Tull (#68)
(Edited)
De Lorenzo's tomato pies...good golly miss Molly they the best. Then Conti's for dinner. It's hard to fool a New Yorker with imitation Italian food.
#71. To: Liberator (#39)
NOT when the recipients of the "no knock" are illegal invading scum or sh*tting all over my town.
Let me get this straight.
#72. To: Brian S (#0)
#73. To: Critter (#71)
NOT when the recipients of the "no knock" are illegal invading scum or sh*tting all over my town.
#74. To: TooConservative (#72)
Hmmm...illegals with drugs and guns versus the jackbooted thugs?
#75. To: Liberator (#74)
#76. To: Liberator (#73)
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