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Title: Christianity Is Plummeting In America, While The Number Of Non-Believers Is Skyrocketing
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009 ... ler-christians-americans-gone/
Published: Sep 29, 2009
Author: Bruce Feiler
Post Date: 2009-09-29 15:56:27 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1748
Comments: 102

A shocking new study of Americans’ religious beliefs shows the beginnings of a major realignment in Americans’ relationship with God. The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) reveals that Protestants now represent half of all Americans, down almost 20 percent in the last twenty years. In the coming months, America will become a minority Protestant nation for the first time since the pilgrims.

The number of people who claim no religious affiliation, meanwhile, has doubled since 1990 to fifteen percent, its highest point in history. Non-believers now represent the third-highest group of Americans, after Catholics and Baptists.

Other headlines:

1) The number of Christians has declined 12% since 1990, and is now 76%, the lowest percentage in American history.

2) The growth of non-believers has come largely from men. Twenty percent of men express no religious affiliation; 12% of women.

3) Young people are fleeing faith. Nearly a quarter of Americans in their 20’s profess no organized religion.

4) But these non-believers are not particularly atheist. That number hasn’t budged and stands at less than 1 percent. (Agnostics are similarly less than 1 percent.) Instead, these individuals have a belief in God but no interest in organized religion, or they believe in a personal God but not in a formal faith tradition.

The implications for American society are profound. Americans’ relationship with God, which drove many of the country’s great transformations from the pilgrims to the founding fathers, the Civil War to the civil rights movement, is still intact. Eighty-two percent of Americans believe in God or a higher power.

But at the same time, the study offers yet another wake-up call for religious institutions.

First, catering to older believers is a recipe for failure; younger Americans are tuning out.

Second, Americans are interested in God, but they don’t think existing institutions are helping them draw closer to God.

Finally, Americans’ interest in religion has not always been stable. It dipped following the Revolution and again following Civil War. In both cases it rebounded because religious institutions adapted and found new ways of relating to everyday Americans.

Today, the rise of disaffection is so powerful that different denominations needs to band together to find a shared language of God that can move beyond the fading divisions of the past and begin moving toward a partnership of different-but-equal traditions.

Or risk becoming Europe, where religion is fast becoming an afterthought.

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#17. To: Brian S (#0)

Christianity Is Plummeting In America, While The Number Of Non-Believers Is Skyrocketing

This is not surprising. Try and find a Christain who actually lives by the sermon on the mount. Hypocricy is rampant. It's do as I say, not as I do. This land may be filled with sheep, but even the sheep aren't falling for the dogma of hypocricy. Honestly, if this were truly a Christain nation we wouldn't have 37 million people on food stamps or half a million homeless vets on the streets or one million homeless students in our schools.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-29   20:42:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: abraxas (#17)

Try and find a Christain who actually lives by the sermon on the mount.

You mean you not only expect a second Jesus, but millions of Jesuses?

Wow - you're a tough crowd.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-29   20:53:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#19)

You mean you not only expect a second Jesus, but millions of Jesuses?

lol.......there is only one Jesus delivering the sermon. Do you know any Christains who abide by it? I know a few.....but they call themselves Buddhists.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-29   21:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#20)

there is only one Jesus delivering the sermon. Do you know any Christains who abide by it? I know a few.....but they call themselves Buddhists.

Abide in it 100%? Wouldn't that would make them Christ-like Perfect?

Hey Teach - Are you giving points for 90%-95% or FAILING your students?

I suppose you'd find problems at fine dining establishments with the geometrical arrangement of the sprig parsley on your plate.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-29   21:12:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#22)

Hey Teach - Are you giving points for 90%-95% or FAILING your students

I've yet to find a handful of Christains at 90%. Granted, what is asked is not easy, but the sermon is really is what it means to be Christain in a nutshell.

Aren't you supposed to strive to be Christ-like Perfect? Isn't that the gist of it all? Are you supposed to accept less and act less and do less and be less or are you supposed to give it all you have to give?

Hang out with some mindful Buddhists and you will find that people CAN abide, without a bunch of excuses and without ever claiming to be perfect or even striving for perfection. It's all about living moment to moment by your ACTIONS and not your words.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-29   21:18:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#23)

Hang out with some mindful Buddhists and you will find that people CAN abide, without a bunch of excuses.....

It's all about living moment to moment by your ACTIONS and not your words.

While reading about the events of Lord Buddha's life a few months ago, I was sold on Buddhism.

No hocus pocus, no promises of an afterlife,

Life is what you make it.

Om Mani Padme Hum

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-09-29   21:28:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sizzlerguy (#24)

Life is what you make it.

Om Mani Padme Hum

One moment at a time, sizzlerguy. I love the opening line from the Dhamapada: Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think.

Which life story did you read? I've read several. Depok Chopra wrote a good one and I'm also fond of 'Old Path White Clouds' by Thich Nhat Hanh. Actually, I like all of Thich Nhat Hanh works.

Buddhism is more of a philosophy of life than a religion, IMO. I think all faiths could benefit from the teachings on controling emotions, living in the moment, learning discipline and taking responsibility.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-29   21:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#27)

I think all faiths could benefit from the teachings on controling emotions, living in the moment, learning discipline and taking responsibility.

The Bible already addresses ALL of the above.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-29   21:42:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator (#31)

The Bible already addresses ALL of the above.

I've found it there, but rarely do I find Christians living by the book. In Buddhism it's all laid out numerically, perhaps to help people apply the knowledge from day to day.

For instance, we discuss sins and you opt for the sin/repent scenario. That's not a taking responsibility approach, that's not a disciplined approach to sin alleviation in life. Is this sin/repent scenario condusive to emotional control or more condusive to self gratifcation?

It's the application that I question, Lib, because, honestly, I don't see many of these attributes prevelant in the Christain flock today. Although, I have seen it within some sects from time to time.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-29   21:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#34)

I've found it [Bible addressing living] there, but rarely do I find Christians living by the book. In Buddhism it's all laid out numerically, perhaps to help people apply the knowledge from day to day.

Brax, but by what Biblical standards and degree others do or don't abide in has no bearing on mine or your life, your eternal soul, and your mission here. If they want to be hypocrites and roll the dice with respect to the Afterlife, let them. Christ has already warned them that he will spit them out ("I never knew you.")...Hasn't He?

In Buddhism it's all laid out numerically, perhaps to help people apply the knowledge from day to day.

Again - Buddhism may be a good coping device for dealing with the frailties of mortal life, but there IS something beyond nothingless and numbness of the soul - why accept a Lie that The Almighty did not provide the road to Eternal Salvation? IF you believe in a Reason, if you believe in Logic, if you believe in the Prophecies and you believe in Christ's own words - keep-your-eyes-on-the-ultimate-Grand-Prize. Fugetabout "Religion."

For instance, we discuss sins and you opt for the sin/repent scenario. That's not a taking responsibility approach, that's not a disciplined approach to sin alleviation in life. Is this sin/repent scenario condusive to emotional control or more condusive to self gratifcation?

Great questions...

Our nature is to "sin." We're greedy, stupid, reactionary, lusty, lazy - and we lie to other and ourselves - you get the picture. Total discipline and self-control is NOT possible. Oh, some of us try more than others and with varying degrees of success.

Sin is innately an emotional and spiritual process (Satan constantly tugs on our weaknesses and subconscious...."Yeah, go ahead and DO IT if it feels good, you profit, you get your rocks off.") We all battle - even Billy Graham who even went as far as NOT sharing elevators with woman if he was alone with them. Sounds silly or even absurd, but...he recognized a weakness of his. We can't give up battling till the end.

Hopefully you, I, we will on that day we exit our mortal existence be greeted with, "WELL DONE my child! I've been waiting for you - WELCOME TO PARADISE!!"

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-30   10:26:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Liberator (#52)

Again - Buddhism may be a good coping device for dealing with the frailties of mortal life, but there IS something beyond nothingless and numbness of the soul - why accept a Lie that The Almighty did not provide the road to Eternal Salvation? IF you believe in a Reason, if you believe in Logic, if you believe in the Prophecies and you believe in Christ's own words - keep-your-eyes-on-the-ultimate-Grand-Prize. Fugetabout "Religion."

Again, you do not understand Buddhism. There is no rule that one must give up or discard any previous beliefs. Christians, Hindus, Muslims and all others are welcome. There is no inherent lie because Buddhism doesn't teach that it is the way to salvation or the way to heaven. The teaching is a way to end suffering by understanding suffering and alleviation of suffering for all sentient beings. This teaching can also be found in the Bible. Buddhism offers a path, not the only path and not a path to assist people in a quest for security in the aferlife, but rather to assist them to live right here and right now. This would surely help many Christians to follow the teachings of the Sermon on the Mount. That is all about living in this life, not the afterlife.

Lib, you keep referring to "your life" and "your eternal salvation" and "your mission" but I'm not so concerned for the self as you are. There were twelve diciples all seeing the world quite differently, but still offering the same message. So, I don't expect all of us to agree on anything, especially religion.

Within the Sermon on the Mount, you will find many Buddhist teachings. For instance, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecut you...For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?

When you claim that you do not care about others who are not Christian in the way that you perceive Christian to be, you are not abiding by the teaching of Christ spoken in his own words. Love is the fulfilling of the law, Lib. I think a deeper inate flaw of humans is not so much sin as the inability to love. This is the true battle within the spirit, IMHO.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-30   13:00:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#55)

Again, you do not understand Buddhism. There is no rule that one must give up or discard any previous beliefs. Christians, Hindus, Muslims and all others are welcome. There is no inherent lie because Buddhism doesn't teach that it is the way to salvation or the way to heaven.

This is the crux, Brax...

We have only one Master. One Way. One Truth.

If we get sidetracked to an alternative "truth," we are lost - at least in the context of what's commanded of us Biblically.

Lib, you keep referring to "your life" and "your eternal salvation" and "your mission" but I'm not so concerned for the self as you are. There were twelve diciples all seeing the world quite differently, but still offering the same message. So, I don't expect all of us to agree on anything, especially religion.

Fair enough, but that message to and from the Disciples wasn't about "religion." It was about maintaining inspiration, hope and focus on the Truth and the Good News - aka Christ's Gospel for everlasting life.

Within the Sermon on the Mount, you will find many Buddhist teachings. For instance, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecut you...For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?

Yes, and that is to be respected undoubtedly...

But if God had a reason for this life (and if He's God he indeed does), and Justice and Reward, he's addressed it with His path and plan for salvation and Heaven. ANY distraction (including Buddhism) derails us.

When you claim that you do not care about others who are not Christian in the way that you perceive Christian to be, you are not abiding by the teaching of Christ spoken in his own words. Love is the fulfilling of the law, Lib. I think a deeper inate flaw of humans is not so much sin as the inability to love. This is the true battle within the spirit, IMHO.

I respect what you have to say...

I DO care about others who are not Christian. We are commanded to love even out enemies. Do I fall short? Yes. I am a sinner. The Law is never properly fulfilled.

With respect to "loving" our fellow human beings, it forever has been an obvious problem and a battle for EVERYONE, hasn't it? Sometime the best we have to offer is in not hating them unfortunately.

You are right when you mention the "battle within the spirit" - it's a 24/7 thing between the Holy Spirit and Satan. One want to devour our souls, the other save it.

Free Will makes victory in this spiritual battle solely our own decision. NOT the responsibility of any singular "religion," Priest, Pastor, Imam, Rabbi, or Monk.

Liberator  posted on  2009-09-30   13:28:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#56)

Fair enough, but that message to and from the Disciples wasn't about "religion." It was about maintaining inspiration, hope and focus on the Truth and the Good News - aka Christ's Gospel for everlasting life.

That's the message of Buddhism too and, like I've said, it's not a religion so much as a philosophy that applies to any life, no matter the religion. It is the everyday practice of taming the ego, nurturing compassion and becoming the inspiration that you seek from Christianity or any other religion. If you read the Dhammapada with a comparative analysis to the Sermon on the Mount, the similarities are quite striking, each is the "nutshell" of the doctrine.

I have to disagree that training yourself to become the most compassionate and aware being from moment to moment is a distraction to the teachings of any religion, in fact, I would argue that this would be of great benefit.

We agree on the battle. All I'm sharing is that Buddhism offers many tools and practices to win the battle(s). You look at it as an alternative teaching, but really it should be viewed as a tandem teaching. One could argue that the Sermon on the Mount offers this in a nutshell as well, but I am always perplexed that Christians, for the most part, do not partake in the day to day practice of the teaching. One can only change their ways with diligence and discipline, from moment to moment. If one simply says, "I'm a sinner and have this repent loop-hole, so I can fall back on this crutch," that doesn't evoke the necessary changes to live as commanded by any religious docrine.

For the record, Buddhism is all about free-will, taking responsibility for our actions and the impact of our actions on others. It is very easy to love selectively, but it is another story to look upon your enemy as your teacher and a blessing because they reveal your own shortcomings. It's like learning the secret of suffering, that it is truly the spiritual shaping necessary for humans to break down the ego. Even today, many Christians view loss or death as "God's will" rather than their blessing to appreciate people in their lives for the time they are with them and the impact they make.

You mention Satan. I wonder how much Satan really has to do when humans are so inclined to self-destruction and live only for their own ego gratification, instead of working to be of service to all those around them. It seems that Satan is often used to take the place of responsibility for free will. That ol' "The devil made me do it" scenario.

abraxas  posted on  2009-09-30   15:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: abraxas (#59) (Edited)

look upon your enemy as your teacher and a blessing because they reveal your own shortcomings.

Oh so true. I learned long ago, from a relative who was a habitual liar that speaking the "truth" is much more simple than trying to lie thru life.

This cousin of mine (deceased, contracted cancer in prison after killing someone in a car wreck while drunk) absolutely couldn't tell the simple truth about anything.

I never said anything about it to him, but he had a lot of trouble trying to keep track of his constant lies.

From the day he arrived in my town, I knew that I NEVER wanted to be like him.

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