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Title: LP is Dying (Lament of the remnant.....)
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Published: Sep 29, 2009
Author: reaganisright
Post Date: 2009-09-29 22:04:05 by abraxas
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Title: LP is Dying Source: none URL Source: http://http/na Published: Sep 29, 2009 Author: me Post Date: 2009-09-29 20:38:08 by reaganisright 3 Comments Left my computer on today, came home and the nine hours of new articles didn't fill my screen. You count them, its's not many, I won't. FAIR USE NOTICE: The above may be copyrighted material, and the use of it on LibertyPost.org may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. Such material is made available on a non-profit basis for educational and discussion purposes only. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in 17 USC § 107. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. Post Comment LP is Dying I agree. Extremism is taking over on all accounts and politically wise good people have no side to hang on too anymore. JustUsealittleBrainPower posted on 2009-09-29 20:41:22 ET Reply Trace byeltsin posted on 2009-09-29 20:53:27 ET (1 image) Reply Trace jeremiad posted on 2009-09-29 21:03:18 ET Reply Trace
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3. To: reaganisright (#0) I think that there is a quiet coming over the thought processes of thinking people. They are tired of complaining, tired of the same o same o, and are starting to weigh the costs of action NOT related to elections. IOW, why keep doing the same thing over and over again (electing Republicans or Democrats and expecting honest govt) it is time for real CHANGE, for good or ill.
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#73. To: farmfriend (#57)
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IMO, by the time she got ran through that pencil-gallery led by William Kristol, et al, she would be so watered down that she would most likely be Bush- lite at best (barf!!). I see no hope for America outside of a bloody revolution, Ron Paul was the last gasp of sanity left to us.
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the RNCFR knew who and what madam mukluk was before they tapped her for McInsane's running mate, they had complete control of her from the get go, dupes and pratt house prostitutes are the only ones who call her an outsider.
Beck is a comedian, not a politician. You voted for the asshat who thinks he visited 57 states.
You must be former J2/military. ?? Yes, I've walked the walk.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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The media also attacks Hammity, but he'd be a disaster as POTUS! I don't see it as a comprehensive defense - nothing more that what I said - that the press attacks would seem to be an indicator that she is not on the "short list" of preferred candidates of the criminal cabal currently running the country. How she would actually do as President, in the very unlikely event she was elected, it is an imponderable with insufficient data to base a firm conclusion. I think she would be better than Oh'bummer, or Duhbya, but how much better is not a quantity I'm willing to speculate on. I don't see her as "the Second Coming".
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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Nah, Beck told the sweet 'The View' ladies he was a "commentator." And he only said that because they caught him fibbing about them to such an extreme he could never claim he checks his facts before using them. ;-) George Carlin of course was both a better comedian and commentator then Beck. I have watched very little of Beck myself, as I don't ever do television watching anymore. He's a flash in the pan in any event. As for Obama, give credit where credit's due; I worked on his campaign on the grass roots level, and enjoyed every moment of it. I even spent a few days as a registered Democrat which I once was so I could vote for him in the primary in Oregon too. I have re-registered as a pacific Green however, and working with Demos was enlightening in that I saw that despite we agreed on whom to vote for in November, I really could see definitively why I could never return to that party again. The topic of Barack Obama becomes too personal and so I don't come here to argue about him. I'm not here to do any version of BeAChooser's sort of crusade to stem an overwhelming sentiment of the majority of 4UM posters. I mean, that didn't work for George Armstrong Custer, so I prefer to agree to disagree where we do on Barack Obama and to listen to what you all have to say. I have learned not to come into a forum with such a big head of an ego I can't easily admit when I am wrong on the rare occasion I am, nor to stay angry at most people or to make things too personal. And I am not committed to working for or voting for Obama next time around. I worked the campaign as much for returning to something I used to do allot of and missed, and it was enjoyable and enervating meeting and working with so many folks. And when canvassing I never cut off and shushed anyone dumping angrily on the Demo ticket, because when I do that I want to hear what everyone I talk to has to say. As long as they didn't do any scapegoating of others because Obama upset them that is.
Wise move considering 4um was created by a core group who hold that both the Rs and Ds are vile politicians, unworthy of our support, never mind a vote. I could care less about Beck, although he did do a great job exposing the poison that is Acorn. And that Van Jones pelt on his belt looks cool. I just looked at Drudge. His book is beating Teddy Kennedy's release by 2 to 1. That's remarkable considering how the MSM has pimped Teddy's opus and ignored him.
Last question first - I'm more or less neutral on her and don't care one way or the other. It has interested me only because of the obvious attempts to kill her political career. I'm more or less a student of such manipulations. Since I like logic it kind of pops out at me. As far as turning things around that is a tall order. We are still at Step 0 - getting enough people aware enough to begin to do something. For now it is still a holding action by continuing to expose the lies and deceit AND very very importantly naming the names of those actually running the show e.g., Jacob Rothschild and Jay Rockefucker.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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Isn't it more obvious that she did this herself when she quit the position she was elected to serve prior to the term ending? And, why? Because she couldn't take the heat. That doesn't add any merit to her ability to serve when/if elected, in fact, it speaks to the contrary. Hitching her wagon to McCain didn't do much for her politically either. Basically, it said that she would cow tow to any doctrine for the opportunity to further her political ambitions. That move was self-manipulation. She fooled some folks, but many were not so gullible. When shall we expect Sarah Palin to account for her own actions and not fall for this victim card?
Ah, an overt homosexual reference by liberator. What a...surprise. I'm truly sorry Goldi dashed your hopes of being her 'go to goy' by revealing her true feelings for Christians on that thread (of which I'm sure the Founders would have been proud) concerning Obama's penis. Your very public breakup was humiliating for you, I'm sure. To further rub salt (kosher, of course) in your wounds, none of your other buds that comprise the LP Brain Trussed showed up to get your back, not even the ever-present, loyal, if not usually lucid BTS. To add a priceless, if surreal icing on the cake, witness Goldi not grasping the irony of accusing Christians of being malarky fairy-tale believing bible thumpers all the while claiming to be a blood-lineal descendant and adherent (dream revealed, IIRC) of a primitive religion whose covenant with God involves, among other things, rainbows and cutting the tips off their dicks.
i haven't seen or heard her say one thing that convinces me that she's not a neocon--war on terror advocate to the hilt--an advocate of mcCain's amnesty-- travels to the UN meeting accompanied by randy scheumann. if she's a true conservative, why not hitch her wagon to the Pauls and Peter Schiff and any other independents or Rs of that ilk?
Core group? Yes, people don't like to call cliques cliques. So it goes. I know as well that 4UM is for free speech, and that like it or not, people who are both R and D do not partake the process with a sinister purpose. Many who run things perhaps, but I don't have problems with those working any side of the main political party route. Strong arming and manipulating people not to exercise their political prerogatives. now that is scary. I would rather defend another's right to say have a love fest over Sarah Palin than to take away their right to do so. That is one of my strongest political beliefs; the right to free speech, and the right to exercise the political efficacy of one's choice. As for your 'core group,' it doesn't bother me like the pet political poodles Goldi has cultivated at el pee do. The posting here is far superior to what is spewed in Goldi's mess. But to the extent any group shuns or suppresses other points of views is the degree at which the group think is going to be wrong in general as they size up the political world in general and on specific issues. And that's true of any forum's 'core group' anywhere on the Internet, not just here.
A core group began this forum after we left FU. Can you tell me any other forum where this isn't the case?
Isn't it more obvious that she did this herself when she quit the position she was elected to serve prior to the term ending? And, why? Because she couldn't take the heat. That doesn't add any merit to her ability to serve when/if elected, in fact, it speaks to the contrary. Actually I think her decision to resign the Governorship was possibly an astute move as it took her out of the crosshairs and made her a more difficult target. As Governor she would have been tied down and harried by any little misstep she made. It also got her even more national exposure - particularly with all the speculations. I think the Sarah Palin who accepted the nod from McNutz is not now the same Sarah Palin neophyte on the national scene. She was basically a local NeoCon little known outside of her own state. The national exposure of being on the ticket is what made her a National Figure. I also think it was a bit of a wake-up call for her in that she seems to have caught on quickly that she and McNutz were supposed to lose - were programmed to lose to foster the impression of a dynamic win by Oh'bummer. She appears to have not been too fond of the idea of being set-up as a patsy and thus started speaking out of school - which got her in trouble with the McNutz "handlers" who started calling her a "loose cannon" - off the record of course. There is more going on here than immediately meets the eye. The old "wheels within wheels" routine.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I speak only of a sort of closed mindedness any group has to guard against. Defensiveness is not needed. I remember the start of this forum and the early days at el pee. Pretty much every forum I know has evolved from groups like you say, or from smaller forums started at free hosting sites like ezBoard.com used to be. Thy this is even so of scoundrels such as the clown posse when they were around. And this was a group that relished being a clique, and this embrace of their dark side is one thing that helped do them in.
I think "core" group is more accurate than clique. A clique implies a popularity contest and if there is one thing most of the people who post here are not doing is trying to win "Miss Congeniality". A clique implies also a closed group and I don't think 4um is a closed group. More voices are welcome. While I like the people here cross fertilization of ideas and being challenged to think is one of the plus points of attending a forum. Freeptardia and El Pee are becoming monotones and thus monotonous. Besides Goldi-Pox and Rimjob's hypocrisy rub me the wrong way - I despise hypocrites. I think JT's comment the closer approximation of reality - a lot of the obstreperous and cantankerous people who post here while they are diverse do a share majority view that as far as the R's and D's go - "A pox upon both their houses".
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Good post, just remember I didn't use the word to label the group, All groups have to guard against clique-like behavior and trapping, which was essentially my point. Irony and even dry humor are hard to get across in a text post, and I'm especially bad with dry humor at that. I have no ax to grind nor problem with '4UM pioneers.' ;-)
Aaaw, are poor widdle US_GRANT's posts limited by Goldi? Bwaahaa! Tssk...As a recycled sh*t-stirring Leftist AGENT_PROVOCATEUR at Liberty Post, how's that working out for ya, Cupcake? Geez, and you just returned. You would think licking 0bama's nuts over there would be appreciated a bit more. Btw - loooove your painstakingly detailed critique of the several LP posters of whom you've whined about earlier on this thread (boo-hoo.) Who hurt you again? "Snuffy, Celeste, Danko, Itzl, e_type_jig, et al...Murron"? Oh, and of course - liberator. Will you ever forgive me for smackin' you around? "I'm truly sorry Goldi dashed your hopes of being her 'go to goy' by revealing her true feelings for Christians on that thread (of which I'm sure the Founders would have been proud) concerning Obama's penis. Your very public breakup was humiliating for you, I'm sure." I am truly flattered knowing that you have slavishly paid that much attention to my posts in that thread (my, I'm blushing.) Oh, yeah - the "public breakup." I guess that means there's chance for you, Cupcake. Just like the old days, eh? Lol...
Irony and even dry humor are hard to get across in a text post, and I'm especially bad with dry humor at that. I have no ax to grind nor problem with '4UM pioneers.' ;-) Thank you and got it. Yes sometimes humor can be hard to convey in a typewritten post where intonation and a wry twist just don't come across too easily. I've experienced the same thing - intending to be humorous and vice versa and being taken vice versa or the other way around.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I guess we all ought to embrace a White-Hating Marxist-Fascist and his Leftist supporters whose agenda is to destroy (aka "fundamentally change") the USA, eh Mikey? How close-minded of us.
You really are good. Please advise Libby how to post an image as his tagline. Thanks.
Not that you want to be bombastic or anything like that.
Hey, it's kinda' quiet tonight, where's buckeroo
I don't know. Maybe he's shooting nutria down at the Salton Sea dreaming of stiff drinks and soft strippers. Just be assured, wherever Buck is, he's there.
You were the one suggesting "close-mindedness" was a characteristic that had to be "guard[ed] against," but now I'm considered "bombastic" for pointing out the dangers of blindly worshiping accepting the Marxist rhetoric of 0bama?
Down at the Animal Shelter filling out the paperwork for adopting 50 or so cats....Before that was his trip to ACE Hardware for 50 burlap sacks. :-)
Freddy, I dunno what you've been guzzling today, but I'm impressed by your stamina.
You're good. LOL Fred Mertz posted on 2009-09-30 11:38:51 ET #99. To: Samuel Gray (#88) You really are good... Fred Mertz posted on 2009-09-30 22:13:40 ET That "good," eh Freddy? Easy on the bed springs big fella.
I like that one. And I totally agree.
Well now, your well worn and preposterous rhetoric was amusing to me. And I myself am known on occasion to be a wee bit bombastic, so how could I not offer the professional courtesy of a complement to you? In fact, I would say it was the least I could do.
hehehehehe. while i agree with you, i had to laugh at your two descriptors. ;)
In fact, I would say it was the least I could do. Silly me - here I was being feted.... (Is this where I get hit by a cream pie?)
Then I am amply rewarded for my attempt at humor. "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Astute only if you buy into this silly victim mentality. I don't. More difficult target? Not really, no matter what she does she enjoys the glare of the spotlight she so desparately desired and that's not always the best light. When you put yourself and your family in the spotlight, prepare for the glare. That's a no-brainer. Had she been astute, she would have bit her lip and shut her mouth instead of calling a press conference and more media attention to matters she deemed frivolous. No wonder that strategy failed miserably and continues to fail. As governor, she would be tied to HER RESPONSIBILITY to serve the people who elected her at an ugly time when her state has lost a lot of revenue. She had work to do......obviously that work was too difficult to endure with all the media scrutiny (excuse me while I cry a tear). She faced a rough re-election with no petro dollars flowing into Alaska to pay the constituents. Some conservative........NOT. She whines as if she is the only governor ever to endure media scrutiny, but she need only look into the POS Gov. Gibbons in NV to find that she is NOT the lone ranger. BTW, conservatives aren't victims who quit when the going gets tough. How can you fall for this victim routine, OI? An astute move.......lol
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#74. To: Eric Stratton (#69)
Allow me to sum up however by asking what, specifically, do you see Palin doing as POTUS that would turn us back in the right direction to a relevant extent?!
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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#76. To: X-15 (#74)
#77. To: mininggold (#35)
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
#78. To: Ferret Mike (#61)
#79. To: Eric Stratton (#67)
PsyOps is right.
#80. To: Original_Intent (#79)
#81. To: Eric Stratton (#71)
Do you think that's smart/wise in seeming comprehensive defense of her?
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#83. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
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#84. To: Ferret Mike (#83)
The topic of Barack Obama becomes too personal and so I don't come here to argue about him. I'm not here to do any version of BeAChooser's sort of crusade to stem an overwhelming sentiment of the majority of 4UM posters.
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#87. To: Original_Intent (#85)
It has interested me only because of the obvious attempts to kill her political career.
#88. To: Liberator (#30)
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#89. To: abraxas (#87)
#90. To: Jethro Tull (#84)
#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)
Core group? Yes, people don't like to call cliques cliques. So it goes.
#92. To: abraxas (#87)
It has interested me only because of the obvious attempts to kill her political career.
Hitching her wagon to McCain didn't do much for her politically either. Basically, it said that she would cow tow to any doctrine for the opportunity to further her political ambitions. That move was self-manipulation. She fooled some folks, but many were not so gullible. When shall we expect Sarah Palin to account for her own actions and not fall for this victim card?
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#91)
#94. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#90)
#95. To: Original_Intent (#94)
#96. To: Samuel Gray, aka US_GRANT, aka Cupcake (#88)
#97. To: Ferret Mike (#95)
Good post, just remember I didn't use the word to label the group, All groups have to guard against clique-like behavior and trapping, which was essentially my point.
#98. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull (#93)
I speak only of a sort of closed mindedness any group has to guard against.
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#100. To: Liberator (#98)
#101. To: Ferret Mike, buckeroo (#100)
bombastic
#102. To: sizzlerguy (#101)
#103. To: Ferret Mike (#100)
Not that you want to be bombastic or anything like that.
#104. To: sizzlerguy, buckeroo (#101)
Hey, it's kinda' quiet tonight, where's buckeroo
#105. To: Fred Mertz (#99)
Please advise Libby how to post an image as his tagline. Thanks.
#106. To: Fred Mertz, US_GRANT, aka Cupcake (#99)
#34. To: Samuel Gray (#13)
#107. To: Eric Stratton (#73)
As I like to use as an analogy, the two-party system is like a sailboat that tacks into the wind. The overall direction is the same, say north, but sometimes the sailboat moves NE, sometimes it moves NW, but all in all at the end of the day, week, month, year, decade, millenium, it's due north from where it began.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#108. To: Liberator (#103)
#109. To: Original_Intent (#94)
I think JT's comment the closer approximation of reality - a lot of the obstreperous and cantankerous people who post here while they are diverse do a share majority view that as far as the R's and D's go - "A pox upon both their houses".
#110. To: Ferret Mike (#108)
I myself am known on occasion to be a wee bit bombastic, so how could I not offer the professional courtesy of a complement to you?
#111. To: christine (#109)
i had to laugh at your two descriptors. ;)
#112. To: Original_Intent (#92)
Actually I think her decision to resign the Governorship was possibly an astute move as it took her out of the crosshairs and made her a more difficult target. As Governor she would have been tied down and harried by any little misstep she made. It also got her even more national exposure - particularly with all the speculations.
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