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Title: Anybody had the swine flu?
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Published: Oct 4, 2009
Author: abraxas
Post Date: 2009-10-04 12:51:03 by abraxas
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Does anybody on 4um believe that they may have had the swine flu? I'm thinking that I have it. It started out like a normal cold, coughing, plugged up head and nose. It seemed to be lasting longer than normal, as I'm generally extremely healthy. However, I have kids in gradeschool, attend college and have been student teaching at the high school. Plenty of places to contract a nasty bug. Precautions had been taken as I upped by vitamin D over a month ago. On Saturday I took a turn for the worse. Chills came on. I ate little breakfast then began to have horrible back pain with stomach cramps. This was awful, to the point where I was laying on the tile floor rolled up in the fetal position. My breakfast and I soon parted ways. I slept for about three hours and then felt a little better. Tried a tiny bit of homemade chicken soup a couple of hours later, but the cramps and back pain returned. Now, I'm afraid to eat a thing. Feeling a tad bit light headed. Still battling the head and chest congestion with a slight fever. Frankly, if this is swine flu, I'm glad to take it on and get it over with, hopefully build some immunity. I know that many 4um folks are highly educated on the swine flu. I'm wondering if my symptoms fit the bill.
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#1. To: abraxas (#0)
Nurse Ratchet wants you in line at the local dispensary for your shot.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I think I had it and am finally over it. All of the symptoms the same as yours except for the extreme stomach issues. I had em for a few days, just not as bad. It took about 3 weeks to get to feeling almost normal again, though I only had a total of 4 or 5 days of real discomfort, where I stayed in bed rather than work.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Only if Nurse Becky takes my temperature. Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo lol......I've been reading One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest again. Ratched is so sadistic. "Miss, I don't like to create trouble. But I don't like to swallow something without knowing what it is, neither. How do I know this isn't one of those funny pills that makes me something I'm not?"
I've heard the sxs come on like a freight train - 6 hours in some cases. I've also heard some kids at the university getting sick, becoming well, only to fall sick again in a week. There seems to be no uniform set of symptoms.
Was that three weeks from the first cold like symptoms? Initially, I really didn't think this was more than a cold. What did your "real discomfort" entail? Fever, chills and minor stomach issues? It's my third day for the stomach and back pain. Friday it was less severe and I merely skipped dinner. I'll be glad to be done with it. : )
Damn - just reading your symptoms made me take another pull of Juice of Wild Oregano and pop a fat curcumin cap. Best wishes on getting well soon.
That's not comforting news Jethro. I'm not going to go get tested, although I know it's in the area. I've never had a flu quite like this one.
Three weeks from the first symptoms. It hit me for a few days, settled down, then came back hard for 4 or 5 days, then trailed off. I just now feel that most symptoms are gone. Real discomfort: fever, diarrhea, aches, chills etc. Lots of sleep really helped I think.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Thanks Lod!! You're so sweet. What is this Juice of Wild Oregano and fat curcumin cap? Does it help when you're already in the belly of the beast?
Thanks Critter. Sounds the same. I've been trying lots of sleep too. Not a problem when I'm not eating anything.
I don't know, but if I felt as crappy as you've been feeling, I'd be willing to try just about anything. The Juice of Wild Oregano is from North American Herb and Spice company. The curcumin is from Doctor's Best company. What little I've learned about natural products has come from listening to thepowerhour.com broadcast on the internet weekdays from 7 - 11am on gcnlive.com which is linked here on the left sidebar. Good luck with it.
Try to suck on ice cubes. Staying hydrated at this point is the priority. Making the cubes from Gatoraid would be even better.
I have never had the flu period.
You a hermit up in the hills????
Umm.. no Cyn. I get out amongst them. I have never taken a flu shot and never had the flu that I know of. My father didn't seem to get the flu bug either, so it must be some family immunity thing.
Best wishes on getting well soon. Don't forget the Vitamin "D" which is a powerful anti-flu preventative, and still works once you have it - as validated by studies in Australia - but of course the AMA/Big Pharma never heard of it - nor the Feral Goobermunt.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Too funny - I'm just returned from popping a thousands units of D3, which is supposed to be the only D that does us any good. We could stock a small drug store here.
Heh, heh, heh. I suspect we are the kind of people that Big Pharma told our Mother's about. ;-)
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
And remember a 60 pound goat produces 12000mg of Vit C of it's own each day. So why our gov thinks a typical adult human can get by on 60mg is beyond me. Many symptoms of "normal" human aging mimic exactly the symptoms of scurvy. AND no other animal species other than fellow Vit C nonproducer primates and guinea pigs, age in a similiar fashion.
You are blessed. I'm generally very healthy but this one has pulled the rug out from under me.
Last year the wife and I both got what could only be some kind of Swine Flu. Both of us are pretty healthy people. One day the wife got ill, and lost her voice for about 3 weeks. It started like a normal cold, except that immediately all of her glands were enlarged, nose ran, sneezing coughing, upper respiratory congestion, which invariably led to bronchitis. She was also horribly fatigued, tired, achy, and nauseous. This went on for about 3 weeks, and then after wards, the lingering chest cold that wouldn't seem to go away. That took roughly 3 months to finally be completely gone. I had the same thing start up within 3 days of her, lost my voice, got sick, the whole kit and kaboodle. Took me a good 3 months to shake off the nagging cough that would not stop. The wife eventually got anti-biotics for hers, where as I cured myself through nutrition, and avoiding human contact with other people. My thoughts were, that I've had bad flus before, but nothing like this. My heart hurt, and I felt about as bad as I ever had. I actually thought that at one point I was going to be checking out. The wife had the same things. With that said, Swine Flu is no joke if you get it. I wonder how immune I'll be now that it's been nearly a year since I had it.
Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.
Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries * Is Big Pharma trying to heal us or kill us ? Toronto Sun reports : The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses. And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria. “At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark. “But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.” The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany. The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses. Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event. On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. “It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email. The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic. People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted. Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences. While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people. That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created. There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however. “We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred,” said Andraghetti. “And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic.” Baxter hasn’t shed much light — at least not publicly — on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of “just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure.” He said he couldn’t reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process. Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden. “We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were,” she said. “And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. … This is very important.” * Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor writes in Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries : Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The “mistake” (if you can call it that, see below…) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened? …….. Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter — which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world — getting away with saying, essentially, “Oops?”But there’s a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material? Was the viral contamination intentional? The shocking answer is that this couldn’t have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3(Biosafety Level 3) – a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials. As explained on Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf…): “Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features.” * It is bad enough that governments all over the world have been warning about the likely pandemic flu. Now we find out we cannot trust Big Pharma to handle such bio-hazardous material in a safe manner. * Who knows whether it was intentional? But I sure would like to know what really happened? And I sure would like to see the people responsible fired! * Paul J. Watson adds in ‘Accidental’ Contamination Of Vaccine With Live Avian Flu Virus Virtually Impossible : Czech newspapers are questioning if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic. The claim holds weight because, according to the very laboratory protocols that are routine for vaccine makers, mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible. “The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses,” reports the Canadian Press. Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 – otherwise known as the human form of avian flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a 60% kill rate – were received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany, and Slovenia. Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental contamination of a vaccine with a deadly biological agent like avian flu is virtually impossible and the only way it could have happened was by wilful gross criminal negligence. …. According to a compiled translation from Czech newspaper stories, the media over there is asking tough questions about whether the contamination was part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic. “Was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease – as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? – and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops? How could on Earth a virus as H5N1 come to the ordinary flu vaccines? Don’t they follow even basic precautions in the american pharma companies?” states the translation. 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Internal documents prove that after they positively knew that the drug was contaminated, they took it off the U.S. market only to dump it on the European, Asian and Latin American markets, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States. source: socioecohistory.wordpress...als-sent-to-18-countries/
I got it from a flu shot I got in basic training in 1976 while in the Army. It is very nasty flu, I sure don't want it ever again. Especially as I was about 22 then and am 55 now.
Sidebar, but when Mike Adams was on AJ's show last week, he told about relocating to the mountains of Ecuador and being well on his way to complete self-sustainability. It sounded so wonderful.
I'd caution against gatoraid because of its high fructose corn syrup content, in fact the only isotonic I've found where I live (coastal bend) is Quench (which is the store (HEB) brand) that does not list high fructose corn syrup as an ingredient all others list it as the first ingredient. if one is going to ingest high fructose corn syrup they may as well get vaccines, the mercury levels will be comparable.
Paul Newman's lemonade is without the high fructose corn syrup, and is a cheap enough substitute to use for this IMO.
that or any other drink that does not in effect line the pockets of ADM. and unless the product says made from cane sugar one can count on the sugar coming from genetically modified beets.
I think my kids have it this week. My 18 year old is pretty well on the mend. The 13 year old is doing better but I need to get more stuff down her. We have and are using the following Colloidal Silver-Natural Antibiotic helps immune system. I make my own. Acidophiles-To make sure they still have good bacteria in their bodies Star Anise-The active ingredient is Tami-flu without all the garbage. Hyssop Oil-Great for the lungs. I put it on their chest and pillows at times. The other day when my son said his lungs hurt I steamed it for him along with some peppermint. He got the junk out and felt better within a few hours. Cayenne Fruit-I get this in pill form at Walmart. It raises the body temperature and helps the immune system. Vitamin D-3- I have it on order. I don't have any yet. Best of luck. I hope you feel better soon. We really need to learn to take care of ourselves and not rely on doctors or the pharmaceutical industry. Even if someone could get you some peppermint, cayenne fruit, and vitamin D3 I believe it will help you some. Especially steaming the peppermint for congestion and if you can get some hyssop oil from the vitamin store it really helps also. I also put it on my youngest pillow when she has a cough and lung junk. It quiets her cough down for the night. I am attempting something with my Thyroid to kick it in. I have had an under active Thyroid for years. The FDA is playing games with the company that makes Amour Thyroid (a natural thyroid) They want everyone on the synthetic thyroid. There are shortages all over the country of natural thyroid. I had to order my last prescription from a Walmart in another state. What I am attempting to do can be dangerous as if my thyroid or the other natural stuff kicks in my thyroid it can cause a heart attack. I am blessed in the fact that I have some muscle relaxers and as I had to do yesterday can take one if my heart starts (as it did yesterday) beating rapidly. Today I will lower my dose of the thyroid medicine or attempt to take none at all. I know with cholesterol they had put my husband on Staten drugs. After hearing what the Staten drugs did to the liver we changed and put him on Red Yeast Rice and Fish Oil. His level of cholesterol was VERY high but since he has been taking the Red Yeast Rice and Fish Oil he is fine without killing his liver. Get Well SOON!
Great information, thanks. I put a dab of either spearmint or peppermint oil under each nostril to clear things up.
Your welcome. Peppermint is really good for clearing stuff up.
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Thank you MircleRose!! Earlier today I attempted to take my Vid D and could only hold it down a couple of hours, then came the horrible cramps with back ache. I couldn't keep it down. That's the problem I'm facing right now. Anything that I try to take creates this reaction. I'm having trouble holding water. I'll try the peppermint in the humidifier though. That sounds good to assist with coughing. One other remedy that seems to be helping is Vicks on the bottoms of my feet with warm socks. Sounds strange, but it really helps. I'm making a list to have the remedies you shared on hand if my girls come down with this. You're assistance is greatly appreciated. : ) My father has that CPOD and some cancer in the lungs. Would Hyssop Oil be helpful for him as well? He's on the oxygen and keeps getting holes in the lung, which is very painful.
I hear that Glenn Beck uses that remedy in real time on his show with FOX.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Dang - this is serious. Have you tried a blend of whiskey, honey and cinnamon? We've got to get you over the hump on this one. One last one that some folks swear by - the coffee enema?
oh boy. that sounds horrible. nausea is the absolute worst malady for me. i just want to commit hari kari. from all i've read, your symptoms fit the bill, but i understand a doctor has to test to differentiate between swine and the usual seasonal flu.
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
same here. i don't think i've ever had the flu and i can't remember the last time i was even sick. looking for wood to knock on.
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
Decaf or regular?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" My aunt got it a couple of months ago, and she recovered fairly rapid, no hospitalisation and certainly no Tamilflu.
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#2. To: abraxas (#0)
Let me get this straight.
#3. To: buckeroo (#1)
Nurse Ratchet wants you in line at the local dispensary for your shot.
Let me get this straight.
#4. To: buckeroo (#1)
Nurse Ratchet wants you in line at the local dispensary for your shot.
#5. To: abraxas (#0)
#6. To: Critter (#2)
It took about 3 weeks to get to feeling almost normal again, though I only had a total of 4 or 5 days of real discomfort, where I stayed in bed rather than work.
#7. To: abraxas (#0)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
I've also heard some kids at the university getting sick, becoming well, only to fall sick again in a week. There seems to be no uniform set of symptoms.
#9. To: abraxas (#6)
Let me get this straight.
#10. To: Lod (#7)
Best wishes on getting well soon.
#11. To: Critter (#9)
#12. To: abraxas (#10)
Does it help when you're already in the belly of the beast?
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#14. To: abraxas (#11)
Thanks Critter. Sounds the same. I've been trying lots of sleep too. Not a problem when I'm not eating anything.
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#16. To: Julz (#15)
I have never had the flu period.
#17. To: Cynicom (#16)
You a hermit up in the hills????
#18. To: Lod (#7)
Damn - just reading your symptoms made me take another pull of Juice of Wild Oregano and pop a fat curcumin cap.
#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)
#20. To: Lod (#19)
#21. To: Lod (#12)
Good luck with it.
#22. To: Julz (#15)
I have never had the flu period.
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#27. To: mininggold, abraxas (#14)
Try to suck on ice cubes. Staying hydrated at this point is the priority. Making the cubes from Gatoraid would be even better.
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
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#29. To: Ferret Mike (#28)
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
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#32. To: Lod (#31)
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#35. To: abraxas (#34)
One other remedy that seems to be helping is Vicks on the bottoms of my feet with warm socks.
#36. To: abraxas (#34)
I'm having trouble holding water.
#37. To: abraxas (#0)
This was awful, to the point where I was laying on the tile floor rolled up in the fetal position. My breakfast and I soon parted ways.
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#39. To: Lod (#36)
One last one that some folks swear by - the coffee enema?
#40. To: abraxas (#0)
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