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Title: NYC Undercover Stings Expose 'Gun Show Loophole'
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... /10/07/national/a080114D40.DTL
Published: Oct 7, 2009
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2009-10-07 11:24:17 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 156
Comments: 9

(10-07) 08:08 PDT New York (AP) --

New York City officials secretly videotaped dozens of firearm purchases they say were illegal at gun shows in states that have not closed the "gun show loophole."

The sting, described in a city report released Wednesday, was conducted at seven gun shows in Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. Those states are among the many that permit private unlicensed dealers, known as "occasional sellers," to sell weapons at gun shows without conducting background checks.

Gun-control advocates say the loophole makes it easier for criminals to acquire guns and prevents law enforcement from being able to trace those weapons if they are used in crimes.

Nine states, including New York, have passed laws to close the loophole, requiring background checks on at least all handgun purchases at gun shows. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has long campaigned for Congress to close the loophole, and for states to do it on their own if the federal government does not.

Even in states that haven't closed the loophole, federal law bars "occasional sellers" from selling guns to people they have reason to believe would fail a background check.

This is where the Bloomberg operation says 19 out of 30 sellers broke the law during the investigation, in which undercover buyers wore tiny cameras concealed in baseball hats and purses and audio recorders hidden in wristwatches.

In each purchase, the investigator showed interest in buying a gun, agreed on a price and then indicated that he probably could not pass a background check.

Most sellers allowed the purchases anyway, responding in some cases by saying, "I couldn't pass one either," or "I don't care," according to the city's report.

Two assault rifles and 20 semiautomatic handguns were bought this way, the report said.

The 11 who refused sales showed they knew the law.

"Once you say that, I'm kind of obligated not to," said one seller, according to the report. "I think that's what the rules are."

"Fact is, you done told me too much," said another who refused. "I wouldn't sell one to you at all."

The city has no legal authority over the dealers and is using its findings to make a point. A copy of the report is being sent to every member of Congress and the findings will be shared the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"The gun show loophole is a deadly serious problem, and this undercover operation exposes just how pervasive and serious it is," the mayor said in a statement.

The undercover operation took place from about May to August and its $1.5 million cost was paid by city taxpayers. The city hired a team of 40 private investigators from an outside firm to make the purchases.

The sting comes three years after Bloomberg's administration conducted a similar operation focusing on illegal straw purchases at gun shops in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Virginia that authorities believe were responsible for selling guns used in crimes in New York City. (A straw purchase is when one person fills out the paperwork and buys the gun for somebody else.)

Bloomberg's administration brought a civil case against 27 gun dealers targeted in its 2006 investigation.

As a result of the suit, 20 dealers are being monitored by a court-appointed special master. One is out of business, two more are expected to be put under monitoring agreements and three were dropped from the suit. A final dealer settled with the city but the terms did not include a monitor.

Investigators in this year's sting also attempted straw purchases at gun shows, and were successful 16 out of 17 times.

The city said it was not planning civil action this time around.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

The government has no right to require any kind of means check for a person to exercise a right. You are not allowed to be ideologically screened before being "allowed" to buy a book, and you're not required to pass any other means check either.

The "loophole" they keep using as a description, is "liberty".

We're going to buy and sell what we want, when we want.

Get used to it.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-10-07   11:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

The 11 who refused sales showed they knew the law.

And know a cop when they see one.

Redneck vs. cop: Redneck. Cop vs. n-word: Cop. n-word vs. white guilter: n-word. Being a lawyer knocks you down a peg, so redneck lawyer vs. cop and n-word lawyer vs. white guilter are toss-ups. White guilter lawyers are the lowest form of life.
Open season on them.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-10-07   11:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)

The "loophole" they keep using as a description, is "liberty".

Yes, but you must agree, they do speak a different language then the rest of us.

Liberty, most likely has a different meaning to them, unknown to us.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-10-07   11:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: phantom patriot (#3)

Yes, but you must agree, they do speak a different language then the rest of us.

Liberty, most likely has a different meaning to them, unknown to us.

Yes, but...

They misspeak intentionally. They know precisely what they're fighting against. I won't indulge their word games. Liberty is liberty.

What they may call "liberty" in their misspeaking, is the "freedom to enslave others". Which is not liberty.

The onus is on them to use language correctly. Where they do not, I do not cede to them the discussion and use their terms. I force them to identify their terms explicitly in OUR commonly understood and used language.

Yes, I'm a dick. :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-10-07   11:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SonOfLiberty (#4)

Yes, I'm a dick. :)

Good for you!!! I can be as well. And ya know, between you and me, sometimes I enjoy it.:}

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-10-07   11:42:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: phantom patriot (#5)

And ya know, between you and me, sometimes I enjoy it.:}

I always enjoy being a dick in the face of "authority".


Let me get this straight.

Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.

What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo

Critter  posted on  2009-10-08   7:27:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Critter (#6)

I always enjoy being a dick in the face of "authority".

Definitely!!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-10-08   11:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)

I actually bought a rifle at a gun show a few weeks ago without doing the paperwork. Felt really good.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-10-08   11:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Sonovademocrat. shooters here (#8)

Here's a good site for FTF deals -

www.thehighroad.org

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-10-08   12:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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