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Title: American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... Afghanistan/article6865359.ece
Published: Oct 8, 2009
Author: Martin Fletcher
Post Date: 2009-10-08 09:57:15 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 7968
Comments: 240

American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taleban.

Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.

“The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division’s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.

“They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,” said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division’s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.” The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.

The base is not, it has to be said, obviously downcast, and many troops do not share the chaplains’ assessment. The soldiers are, by nature and training, upbeat, driven by a strong sense of duty, and they do their jobs as best they can. Re-enlistment rates are surprisingly good for the 2-87, though poor for the 4-25. Several men approached by The Times, however, readily admitted that their morale had slumped.

“We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” said Specialist Raquime Mercer, 20, whose closest friend was shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman last Friday. “I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”

Sergeant Christopher Hughes, 37, from Detroit, has lost six colleagues and survived two roadside bombs. Asked if the mission was worthwhile, he replied: “If I knew exactly what the mission was, probably so, but I don’t.”

The only soldiers who thought it was going well “work in an office, not on the ground”. In his opinion “the whole country is going to s***”.

The battalion’s 1,500 soldiers are nine months in to a year-long deployment that has proved extraordinarily tough. Their goal was to secure the mountainous Wardak province and then to win the people’s allegiance through development and good governance. They have, instead, found themselves locked in an increasingly vicious battle with the Taleban.

They have been targeted by at least 300 roadside bombs, about 180 of which have exploded. Nineteen men have been killed in action, with another committing suicide. About a hundred have been flown home with amputations, severe burns and other injuries likely to cause permanent disability, and many of those have not been replaced. More than two dozen mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles (MRAPs) have been knocked out of action.

Living conditions are good — abundant food, air-conditioned tents, hot water, free internet — but most of the men are on their second, third or fourth tours of Afghanistan and Iraq, with barely a year between each. Staff Sergeant Erika Cheney, Airborne’s mental health specialist, expressed concern about their mental state — especially those in scattered outposts — and believes that many have mild post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). “They’re tired, frustrated, scared. A lot of them are afraid to go out but will still go,” she said.

Lieutenant Peter Hjelmstad, 2-87’s Medical Platoon Leader, said sleeplessness and anger attacks were common.

A dozen men have been confined to desk jobs because they can no longer handle missions outside the base. One long-serving officer who has lost three friends this tour said he sometimes returned to his room at night and cried, or played war games on his laptop. “It’s a release. It’s a method of coping.” He has nightmares and sleeps little, and it does not help that the base is frequently shaken by outgoing artillery fire. He was briefly overcome as he recalled how, when a lorry backfired during his most recent home leave, he grabbed his young son and dived between two parked cars.

The chaplains said soldiers were seeking their help in unprecedented numbers. “Everyone you meet is just down, and you meet them everywhere — in the weight room, dining facility, getting mail,” said Captain Rico. Even “hard men” were coming to their tent chapel and breaking down.

The men are frustrated by the lack of obvious purpose or progress. “The soldiers’ biggest question is: what can we do to make this war stop. Catch one person? Assault one objective? Soldiers want definite answers, other than to stop the Taleban, because that almost seems impossible. It’s hard to catch someone you can’t see,” said Specialist Mercer.

“It’s a very frustrating mission,” said Lieutenant Hjelmstad. “The average soldier sees a friend blown up and his instinct is to retaliate or believe it’s for something [worthwhile], but it’s not like other wars where your buddy died but they took the hill. There’s no tangible reward for the sacrifice. It’s hard to say Wardak is better than when we got here.”

Captain Masengale, a soldier for 12 years before he became a chaplain, said: “We want to believe in a cause but we don’t know what that cause is.”

The soldiers are angry that colleagues are losing their lives while trying to help a population that will not help them. “You give them all the humanitarian assistance that they want and they’re still going to lie to you. They’ll tell you there’s no Taleban anywhere in the area and as soon as you roll away, ten feet from their house, you get shot at again,” said Specialist Eric Petty, from Georgia.

Captain Rico told of the disgust of a medic who was asked to treat an insurgent shortly after pulling a colleague’s charred corpse from a bombed vehicle.

The soldiers complain that rules of engagement designed to minimise civilian casualties mean that they fight with one arm tied behind their backs. “They’re a joke,” said one. “You get shot at but can do nothing about it. You have to see the person with the weapon. It’s not enough to know which house the shooting’s coming from.”

The soldiers joke that their Isaf arm badges stand not for International Security Assistance Force but “I Suck At Fighting” or “I Support Afghan Farmers”.

To compound matters, soldiers are mainly being killed not in combat but on routine journeys, by roadside bombs planted by an invisible enemy. “That’s very demoralising,” said Captain Masengale.

The constant deployments are, meanwhile, playing havoc with the soldiers’ private lives. “They’re killing families,” he said. “Divorces are skyrocketing. PTSD is off the scale. There have been hundreds of injuries that send soldiers home and affect families for the rest of their lives.”

The chaplains said that many soldiers had lost their desire to help Afghanistan. “All they want to do is make it home alive and go back to their wives and children and visit the families who have lost husbands and fathers over here. It comes down to just surviving,” said Captain Masengale.

“If we make it back with ten toes and ten fingers the mission is successful,” Sergeant Hughes said.

“You carry on for the guys to your left or right,” added Specialist Mercer.

The chaplains have themselves struggled to cope with so much distress. “We have to encourage them, strengthen them and send them out again. No one comes in and says, ‘I’ve had a great day on a mission’. It’s all pain,” said Captain Masengale. “The only way we’ve been able to make it is having each other.”

Lieutenant-Colonel Kimo Gallahue, 2-87’s commanding officer, denied that his men were demoralised, and insisted they had achieved a great deal over the past nine months. A triathlete and former rugby player, he admitted pushing his men hard, but argued that taking the fight to the enemy was the best form of defence.

He said the security situation had worsened because the insurgents had chosen to fight in Wardak province, not abandon it. He said, however, that the situation would have been catastrophic without his men. They had managed to keep open the key Kabul-to-Kandahar highway which dissects Wardak, and prevent the province becoming a launch pad for attacks on the capital, which is barely 20 miles from its border. Above all, Colonel Gallahue argued that counter-insurgency — winning the allegiance of the indigenous population through security, development and good governance — was a long and laborious process that could not be completed in a year. “These 12 months have been, for me, laying the groundwork for future success,” he said.

At morning service on Sunday, the two chaplains sought to boost the spirits of their flock with uplifting hymns, accompanied by video footage of beautiful lakes, oceans and rivers.

Captain Rico offered a particularly apposite reading from Corinthians: “We are afflicted in every way but not crushed; perplexed but not driven to despair; persecuted but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.”


Poster Comment:

“The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” ...“They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,”... “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.”...“We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” ...“I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”...Sergeant Christopher Hughes, 37, from Detroit, has lost six colleagues and survived two roadside bombs. Asked if the mission was worthwhile, he replied: “If I knew exactly what the mission was, probably so, but I don’t.”...sleeplessness and anger attacks were common....The men are frustrated by the lack of obvious purpose or progress....“We want to believe in a cause but we don’t know what that cause is.”...To compound matters, soldiers are mainly being killed not in combat but on routine journeys, by roadside bombs planted by an invisible enemy....“Divorces are skyrocketing. PTSD is off the scale. There have been hundreds of injuries that send soldiers home and affect families for the rest of their lives.”...“All they want to do is make it home alive and go back to their wives and children and visit the families who have lost husbands and fathers over here. It comes down to just surviving,”...He said the security situation had worsened because the insurgents had chosen to fight in Wardak province, not abandon it...two chaplains sought to boost the spirits of their flock with uplifting hymns, accompanied by video footage of beautiful lakes, oceans and rivers.

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#21. To: TwentyTwelve, All (#20)

That photo speaks a thousand words and sadly most Americans will see little if anything. We may rest assured that this photo is making the rounds of the Pentagon this morning and there will those demanding heads to roll.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   11:08:20 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Horse (#0)

No oil there, that we know of. It's hard to fire up the public if there's no oil to steal.

And they can't be told the truth.

Well, the pipeline route is public knowledge, but not worthy of $236 billion in "gubmint spending" (estimated cost "in theater" to date).

But the main reason they are there is to PREVENT the Taliban from once again engaging in wholesale eradication and destruction of the poppy crops. The hundreds of billions derived from the heroin trade are helping prop up what's left of the Western banks, plus the intel agencies are always taking a huge cut of the narco trade to fund black ops.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-10-08   11:09:21 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Sam Houston. all (#22)

But the main reason they are there is to PREVENT the Taliban from once again engaging in wholesale eradication and destruction of the poppy crops. The hundreds of billions derived from the heroin trade are helping prop up what's left of the Western banks, plus the intel agencies are always taking a huge cut of the narco trade to fund black ops.

Yep.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-10-08   11:22:58 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Sam Houston (#22)

No oil there, that we know of

We are providing security for Chinese building roads in Afghan, that lead to their drilling rigs...FOR OIL.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   11:32:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#4)

“We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” said Specialist Raquime Mercer, 20, whose closest friend was shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman last Friday. “I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”

Cyni, You and I talked about this on a similar thread some time ago.

This is what would have worried me if I had enlisted in my younger days.

I sure do understand how these folks feel. If you don't believe in the cause or feel it's a wasted cause. You can't be an effective soldier.

The jerks that sent them there have no idea how to support them. The troops have to be on top of their game everyday and that takes work not only on their part but the part of those who sent them. Once the soldiers get to this point it's hard to bring them back. Don't you agree?

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-10-08   12:10:46 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#24)

Have you got a link for that?

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-10-08   12:29:08 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Cynicom (#24)

We are providing security for Chinese building roads in Afghan, that lead to their drilling rigs...FOR OIL.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-10-08   12:31:29 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#21)

Thursday, October 8, 2009

Troops in Afghanistan Demoralized

Shame on President Obama. Read about the consequences of electing a president who despises the military and shows them no respect or consideration, via Gateway Pundit:

Stunner... Troop Morale Falling Under President Obama

"How to kill a Great Nation and Its Military in 9 Easy Months,"
By Barack Hussein Obama.

As Told By Bill Ayers

Chapter I: Crushing an Economy

Chapter II: Standing With Dictators While Democracy Protesters Die in the Street

Chapter III: How to Kill Troop Morale

military losing heart

What an absolute shock.
President Obama's indecisiveness is killing troop morale.
The Times Online reported:


'American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taliban.

Many feel that they are risking their lives 52; and that colleagues have died 52; for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.

60;The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,61; said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division57;s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.

60;They feel they are risking their lives for progress that57;s hard to discern,61; said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division57;s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. 60;They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.61; The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.'


Good work, Barack.

UPDATE: Via HotAir- Michael Yon links to an intriguing report from Anthony Lloyd from Afghanistan. Don57;t forget to hit Michael57;s tip jar. We57;re going to need him on the ground more than ever."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-08   12:31:49 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-10-08   12:34:46 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom, Os (#26)


The U.S. and China have formed an uneasy alliance in the effort to build stability in Afghanistan.

In a valley long known as a Taliban haven, American troops live alongside Chinese road workers. The troops put their lives on the line protecting the workers. The workers put their lives on the line building a road the U.S. military desperately wants completed.

"Asphalt is ammunition," says Lt. Col. Kimo Gallahue, commander of the 2nd Battalion of the 87th Infantry Regiment, quoting a phrase popular in the military. "Roads are one of the biggest needs in this province."


Michael M. Phillips/ The Wall Street Journal

U.S. soldiers like Lt. John Donovan, left, provide security for Chinese workers like Wang Shangkeui in Afghanistan.
The Chinese are in Afghanistan mostly to make deals. "This is business -- we can work in Afghanistan or any other country," says Wang Shangkuei, an engineer for China Railway Shisiju Group Corp., a state-owned company with a $50 million contract funded by Italian aid money to grade and pave 33 miles of two- lane road past Momaki village in Wardak province. But, he says, "if there's fighting, we can't do the work."

What's happening in Afghanistan is an extreme example of the way the U.S. and China must work with each other around the globe. China needs the U.S. to protect global trade routes vital to Beijing's export-oriented economy. The U.S. needs China's investment to boost unsteady, but strategically important, economies. Chinese companies were among some of the earliest to re-enter Iraq.

This month, the Afghan foreign minister visited China to generate interest in oil, gas and iron-ore concessions. He and his Chinese counterpart agreed to study ways to open up commercial traffic on their 47-mile shared border -- located in a remote mountain region and largely inaccessible -- such as building a road through the area.

China's biggest foray into its neighbor's economy so far is a $3 billion deal for two Chinese companies to develop the huge Aynak copper deposit in Logar province, south of Kabul.

As part of the deal, China Metallurgical Group and Jiangxi Copper Group agreed to build schools, clinics, markets, mosques and a power plant. The Chinese companies say they will also build a railway expected to link Afghanistan with China, via Pakistan, and open a rail route to the north from the mine. The Afghan government predicts the project will generate 6,000 jobs.

"It is very safe to conduct the project in Afghanistan because the Americans are guarding us," says Pan Qifang, board secretary of Jiangxi Copper.

The Afghan Ministry of Mines recently said it will seek bidders to explore for oil or gas in northern Afghanistan and to exploit an estimated 1.8 billion-ton iron-ore deposit in the Hajigak mountains, located west of Momaki along the road that is now under construction. The Chinese are expected to be among the bidders.

As of 2008, Chinese companies had 33 infrastructure projects valued at $480 million under way in Afghanistan, not including the big copper mine, according to Chinese Commerce Ministry data.

Eleven Chinese aid and commercial workers have been killed in the country since 2004, scaring off some Chinese companies, according to the Commerce Ministry. Chinese exports to Afghanistan measured $152 million in 2008, down 10.4% from a year earlier.

China Railway Shisiju started work in 2006 on the new road past Momaki.

As the Taliban-led rebellion intensified last year, militants had free run of the valley. In June 2008, they kidnapped a Chinese engineer, who was rescued by Afghan forces after nearly a month in captivity.

The Chinese stopped work for almost three months because of the security situation, built a little more, then stopped again for the winter.

In February, a company of Lt. Col. Gallahue's men -- the first wave of the coming troop surge -- entered the snowy valley and established a fragile peace.

Part of that mission means keeping the valley safe enough for road work to continue. "This road will provide easy access to Kabul," says Capt. Matthew Thom, 31 years old, from Beaverton, Ore. The paved surface will also make it harder for the insurgents to plant bombs, the soldiers hope.

A platoon of U.S. soldiers occupies a hilltop outpost overlooking the Chinese compound, whose walls were chipped by bullets during an insurgent attack last year. The soldiers can keep an eye on the Chinese company's quarry and offices.

"We work on the days when the security situation allows us to, and if it doesn't allow us to, we stop work," says Mr. Wang, the Chinese engineer. So far, the company has finished just 11 of the project's 33 miles.

He says American officers call periodically to urge the engineers to speed up.

"They've got their end-state, and we've got our end-state," Lt. Col. Gallahue says of the Chinese. "They may not be exactly the same, but they're not working against us. At least not yet."

U.S. and China Work Together to Rebuild Afghanistan - WSJ.com

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-08   12:35:48 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Horse (#0)

American troops in Afghanistan losing heart

Let's pray they don't lose their lives or minds as well.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up.
I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

iconoclast  posted on  2009-10-08   12:40:50 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TwentyTwelve (#29)

ALL

Get the hell out of Afghanistan and all the other 100+ shit holes we're busybodying around in.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up.
I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

iconoclast  posted on  2009-10-08   12:44:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

They feel they are risking their lives for progress that's hard to discern,

Translation:

We're dying for nothing

Ted Kennedy Is Now Eligible To Vote In Chicago.

Flintlock  posted on  2009-10-08   12:47:43 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: iconoclast (#32)

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up. I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

welcome back, iconoclast. it takes alot of character to admit error. ;)

"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.

christine  posted on  2009-10-08   12:48:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Sam Houston (#26)

Sam...

It was on here two or three weeks ago.

MY memory fails on source.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   12:50:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#34)

If you go to times story there is a second photo available of Capt Rico.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   12:51:59 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

What this illustrates is that when you are living in a tyrannical empire, you should NEVER volunteer to be one of its storm troopers.

I HOPE they have low morale. It would prove that maybe there's a hint of a conscience left in anyone who does.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-10-08   12:54:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#35)

Jethro provided the proof. I believe it now, although it sounds like the oil and gas is more a hoped-for than a given, but the copper deposits are for real.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-10-08   12:56:22 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: iconoclast, Jethro tull, christine, All (#32)

Get the hell out of Afghanistan and all the other 100+ shit holes we're busybodying around in.

Icon...

Everyone badmouths MacArthur but...

Did you know in 1945 that Mac had his first run in with Truman because...

Mac made a public statement that the United States should stay in Japan for ONLY one year, then take the troops home and let the UN administer Japan. That was in 1945, sixty four years ago and we are still there.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   12:56:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom, christine (#36)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-10-08   12:57:32 ET  (1 image) [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Sam Houston, Jethro Tull (#38)

Sam...

No, the Chinese bet on sure things only, they do not bore dry holes. So far they have spent millions on exploration and now drilling.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   12:58:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

China's biggest foray into its neighbor's economy so far is a $3 billion deal for two Chinese companies to develop the huge Aynak copper deposit in Logar province, south of Kabul.

Jeebus, China the last entrepreneurial nation left on earth?

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up.
I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

iconoclast  posted on  2009-10-08   12:58:52 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve, christine, Jethro Tull (#40)

Thank you for the photo...

This young man needs the thanks of all of us here and all Americans. He is finished in the military but he has a higher calling.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   13:00:04 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Horse (#0)

The soldiers joke that their Isaf arm badges stand not for International Security Assistance Force but “I Suck At Fighting” or “I Support Afghan Farmers”.

Also "I Saw Americans Fighting", referring to the general military uselessness of other NATO soldiers.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-10-08   13:00:14 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#34)

welcome back, iconoclast. it takes alot of character to admit error. ;)

Thanks, christine.

Never too late (I hope) to learn.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up.
I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

iconoclast  posted on  2009-10-08   13:02:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#43)

This young man needs the thanks of all of us here and all Americans.

He is very brave.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-10-08   13:02:51 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: TwentyTwelve (#46)

He is very brave.

There will be the die hards that will want to crush this young man for standing up front and speaking the truth. The truth that Americans do not want to hear.

We owe this young man big time, he has shaken the government more than we will ever know.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   13:06:01 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TooConservative (#44)

This is because the European countries delegated all warmongering to the Americans after WW II.

That was really what NATO was and is all about. You can tell how lost this Satanic organization (NWO enforcement arm, basically) is by how far the Khyber Pass is from the North Atlantic.

None of the yurpeens wants to be there to begin with. I don't blame them. They've observed Uncle Sam bankrupt itself with these useless trumped-up, inside job-generated wars for this entire decade. Why would they want any part of that? Most of Yurp knows 9/11 was an inside job anyhow.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-10-08   13:09:31 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Sam Houston, ALL (#37) (Edited)

What this illustrates is that when you are living in a tyrannical empire, you should NEVER volunteer to be one of its storm troopers.

. Recruiters report that they are seeing older walk-ins as a result of a battered economy. Changes in recruitment rules — the Army, for example, in 2006 raised its enlistment age limit from 35 to 42 — are also behind interest from older candidates.

http://www.america.gov/st/peaces...0.1622583.html&distid=ucs

We may finally exhaust our supply of boys and girls, older poor, jailbirds, and half-wits. We have also considered (don't know if implemented) recruiting foreigners with top of the list citizenship as bait. The depression is, of course, helping the recruiters now and will in future.

The troops may be losing enthusiasm, but things are looking good for jingoistic, old-fart politicians and ambitious officers.

The majority of the poor goobers over there joined for employment and/or BS training promises.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Boy, when I fuck up, I really fuck up.
I learned a good lesson though, never cast a vote based on hate and disgust

iconoclast  posted on  2009-10-08   13:32:44 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Cynicom (#17)

Photo was posed for maximum effect, hidden face, black minority, bibles in prominance for PARENTS AND WIVES TO SEE.

I just saw a soldier praying until you pointed out his race.

Obviously I need to sharpen my racial profiling skills.

TooConservative  posted on  2009-10-08   13:39:55 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Horse (#0)

American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned...

Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them.

'Operation: DESTROY AMERICAN MILITARY MORALE' is working to perfection...

Of course our guys realize they've been hung out to dry by the Commie Street Organizer who despises them. At least Dubya acted as though he cared about whatever the fake missions and stategery were, and actually inspired the troops. Let's put it THIS way: Barry Soetoro will NOT be serving Turkey in A-Stan or A-Rock this Thanksgiving.

Oh...and the NWO continues to call ALL the shots...and have since 9/11.

Liberator  posted on  2009-10-08   13:57:40 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#17)

There is MUCH to be gleaned here other than the intended message to Obama and this corrupt government.

This was arranged for the BRITISH media, not American, THAT TELLS US AND OBAMA MUCH.

Photo was posed for maximum effect, hidden face, black minority, bibles in prominance for PARENTS AND WIVES TO SEE.

This is the very bottom of the Army speaking the only way they know how.

This has to shake Obama and the top of the military to the core.

Note the AF and Navy are saying nothing, because they are not dying and bleeding.

Niiiice analysis.

Liberator  posted on  2009-10-08   13:59:26 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

"How to kill a Great Nation and Its Military in 9 Easy Months," By Barack Hussein Obama.

As Told By Bill Ayers

Chapter I: Crushing an Economy

Chapter II: Standing With Dictators While Democracy Protesters Die in the Street

Chapter III: How to Kill Troop Morale

Brilliant, brilliant post.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-10-08   14:07:24 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Sam Houston, all (#22)

The main reason they are there is to PREVENT the Taliban from once again engaging in wholesale eradication and destruction of the poppy crops. The hundreds of billions derived from the heroin trade are helping prop up what's left of the Western banks, plus the intel agencies are always taking a huge cut of the narco trade to fund black ops.

Plausible - even partially a reason for their presence in A-Stan, but I believe it's far more nefarious than that; IMO US troop are in A-Stan TO BE RIDICULED and chopped to pieces...(it sure doesn't help that they realize their mission may be that of merely protecting a drug industry.)

This is Barry's and the NWO Elite's version of the Bataan Death March in order to neuter the morale and emasculate reputation of the US military - THE symbol of American Might.

Liberator  posted on  2009-10-08   14:10:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

There ya go. BINGO.

QUESTIONS:

IF/WHEN do the Patriots in high places within the American Machine realize their 50 pieces of Silver just aren't worth selling their souls over?

Who will be the American von Stauffenberg?

Liberator  posted on  2009-10-08   14:16:12 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

"How to kill a Great Nation and Its Military in 9 Easy Months," By Barack Hussein Obama.

As Told By Bill Ayers

Chapter I: Crushing an Economy

Chapter II: Standing With Dictators While Democracy Protesters Die in the Street

Chapter III: How to Kill Troop Morale

Are you implying Bush was a co-author??

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-08   14:23:28 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Liberator (#52)

Niiiice analysis.

I have more than a passing interest in photo analysis.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   14:35:33 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: TooConservative (#50)

I just saw a soldier praying until you pointed out his race.

If you look closely you will see the black soldier has his arms wrapped around his face to ensure there is NO identification.

That is NOT a normal posture for praying.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-08   14:37:13 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: TwentyTwelve (#40)

Captain Sam Rico, chaplain on the reason for low morale:

"The troops feel like sitting ducks."

Ya think??

If Bush's RoE were unreasonably restrictive - and they were - the Street Thug-in-Chief's RoE are suicidal....BY DESIGN.

Liberator  posted on  2009-10-08   15:53:47 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Cynicom, All (#58)

I took a break from my sewing a short while ago and was quite surprised to see a discussion on FoxNews regarding this article. Matter of fact, Judith Miller, who used to work for NY Times, specifically stated, "The President has to do something about this NOW." My, my ... and to think that came out of the mouth of a liberal!!! She further added that the POTUS had too often compromised on other decisions and hoped he wouldn't do so with this issue.

Phant2000  posted on  2009-10-08   16:00:29 ET  [Locked]   Trace   Private Reply  



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