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Title: Skiing While the Earth Burns
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index ... 0-skiing-while-the-earth-burns
Published: Oct 10, 2009
Author: Joe Wolverton, II
Post Date: 2009-10-10 16:32:34 by farmfriend
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Written by Joe Wolverton, II In a sure sign that the Earth is, as predicted, warming to the point of human extinction, snowfall in the West has come sooner and heavier than in recorded history. Many school districts have already been forced to close by unseasonable accumulations of snow. "We got dumped on last night, you can see that by looking around here. We weren't quite ready for it. It did cause us some issues in the school district," said Lonnie Barber, the superintendent of schools for Blaine County Idaho. Idaho isn't alone in its reluctance to march into a fiery, iceless demise; in Colorado as well, the snow is falling fast and piling up quickly, to the delight of a state dependent for much of its income on the ski tourism trade. The ski resort at Loveland, Colorado, has opened already, the earliest start to a season in 40 years. It will be joined Friday by the resort at Arapahoe Basin. It seems the owners of ski resorts failed to recognize the climatological chaos that is causing the melting of snow and ice that is in turn setting off an avalanche of impending worldwide doom. Some people will do anything for a buck. Vegas. Sin City. You would expect them to join the party and they have. You've heard the slogan: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." Well, according to the local Fox News affiliate in Las Vegas, what's happening is snow and what's staying is hundreds of skiers getting a welcome early start on the season. The Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard Resort is open for business earlier than ever before and business is booming. Says the resort's Base Operations Manager Craig Baldwin, “There are many skiers and snowboarders who love to jib on our freestyle terrain features, and we expect many families to take advantage of this great opportunity to learn the sport and have fun so early in the season."Again, open rebellion against the stark realities of the inconvenient truth of global warming. Must we brook such insolence and brazen defiance of those Chicken Littles who are doing their best to warn us all of the toasty fate waiting for us just around the corner. While we wait for the alarming rise in global temperatures to melt the ice caps and swell the levels of the oceans, we might as well head out West and ski.
Skiing While the Earth Burns
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#8. To: farmfriend (#0)
Global Warming phenomena does not mean that everywhere is about HELL FIRE&DAMNATION. That is just too amusing to consider. GW phenomena modifies local weather patterns in different ways based upon geography and so forth. I am afraid your article reinforces the idea that GW is a fact.
Sometimes global warming means global cooling and sometimes it means global warming? Is that it? So long as the myth is believed? Whatever works?
GW phenomena is all about the average Earth air temperature rising. And that rate is escalating pretty damned fast. It is rising faster than any time since life as we know it has existed.
That's prolly just your hormones, bucky. There's pills for that.
Really? What kind of pills are going to save me from CO2?
Are you just Googleing to impress me? C'mon wudidiz, you can find some authoritative research from a well known publication can't you?
OOPPSS! From NASA!
Looking at the graph it would certainly appear as though there's been a drastic temperature change in the last 100 years. However, it's only up less than 1 degree. IF (the) data is correct.
Do you know what effect that has on local weather? How about the Arctic and Antartica? Do you understand these two large ice systems are breaking up? That same erosion is based on ice melting; that is a clear indicator that the temperatures are increasing.
LOL sorry the facts don't support that one.
So, Anarctica and the Arctic are increasing ice mass correct?
Antarctica for many years and the arctic over the last few years rapidly replacing the ice lost to wind according to NASA. Part of that ice loss was also due to faulty equipment giving open water readings where ice actually existed. You have to stop paying attention to the propaganda and start watching the real science.
You subscribe to "this" or "that" idea yet you didn't answer my question directly. Are these massive areas losing or gaining ice?
Gaining.
Can you find a reputable scientific link showing that the ice masses have been gaining over the past century or fifty years or even the last decade? And if you can, will you share it with me?
Daily Antarctic Sea Ice Area Anomaly
if your motive doesnt exist, then you have no reason to commit the crime... too bad that, even without global warming, peak oil is motive enough, isnt it?
Peak oil? LOL.
the PNAC project, kicked off by 9/11, is a joint israeli/israeli american project to gain (a) high ground ---aka the palestinian land in the west bank--- for israel, and (b) control of oil for the israelis and israeli americans bent on benevolent global hegemony through control of energy. apparently the zionists see that control of energy consumption is very likely impossible, so global warming is inevitable, which makes sea level rise inevitable, which threatens israelis, 70% of whom live on land that will be flooded if the ice melts... so they're going for the high ground, just in case the oil acquisition project fails. in the meantime, many of the supposed zionists, who are, in reality, only using israel and the holocaust for protective coloration, are looters, pure and simple, and have no illusions about retiring to israel once they've stacked up a few billion bucks'- worth of loot. nope... they're going for enough cash to buy refuge someplace civilized once the shit hits the fan... which rules out israel.
Your basic assumptions are way off.
How? Just his brief rant about Israel? He is coming back around, now. I think he understands a thread's focus.
His assumptions that AGW is real, unavoidable and that "big oil" is opposed to it.
Why do you think flickervertigo has made assumptions? Can you counter his arguments, at all?
Yes I can, I've done it many time, but I'm not going to. What would be the point? I have too much to do today and can't waist my time on someone who is that far behind in the argument.
you cant dispute the fact that co2 and methane are greenhouse gases. you cant dispute the fact that co2 levels are rising, and have risen by 100 ppm since we've been burning fossil fuels. you cant dispute the fact that polar ice and glaciers are melting. you cant dispute the fact that weather patterns are being disrupted. you cant dispute the fact that the people with the most motive to deny global warming are the world's prime deniers of global warming. you cant dispute the fact that israel must acquire high ground to escape sea level rise before its american protector expires from oil shortages. you cant dispute the fact that PNAC said it needed a new pearl harbor to kick start the land and oil acquisition project.
One should not commit the fallacy the that correlation equates to causation. One should also bear in mind that whatever cooling or warming that has been recorded in modern time bear little relationship with levels of CO2. Let's also not forget that the most significant greenhouse gas of all, H2O, outweighs CO2 by several orders of magnitude.
Set on the political stage is the following: October 9, 2009 | 9:49 p.m. Reporting from Los Angeles and Sacramento - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state legislative leaders broke off talks Friday evening without a deal on upgrading California's water supply and with a looming threat by the governor to veto many of the bills sitting on his desk if there is no agreement by Sunday. Even as the leaders debated asking voters to approve billions of dollars in new debt to strengthen the state's water resources, a top finance official warned that government revenue is already $1 billion short of the amount needed to balance the budget that was passed in the face of a significant deficit less than three months ago. Those complications arose as the governor maintained a threat to veto 700 bills that lawmakers approved near the end of the legislative session last month. Schwarzenegger and his aides made the threat in an attempt to use bills as leverage in the water talks. The governor has until midnight Sunday to sign or veto the measures, or they automatically become law. When negotiations broke up early Friday evening, Assembly GOP leader Sam Blakeslee of San Luis Obispo said that "a dozen or more major issues" were unresolved. Senate leader Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) said there had been progress, but he told reporters that disagreements persisted over how much would need to be borrowed to implement any water plan and about the makeup and funding of a council to address management of the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta. Schwarzenegger's spokesman, Aaron McLear, said that negotiations would continue this afternoon and that the governor would carry out his veto threat if meetings did not produce a deal or something close to one. Schwarzenegger had continued to pressure the legislators Friday, appearing on the Capitol steps with the Latino Water Coalition, an advocacy group. The governor said he and the lawmakers were "on the verge of a historic breakthrough on water" but were not there yet. "I thank that all of you are here today to give the legislators this extra little push that they need to get across the finish line," Schwarzenegger said. "And if they need a little bit more, then you are even ready to give them that hard shove to get across the finish line." As the ralliers cheered, the governor yelled, "We are going to get it done today!" Lawmakers taking part in the talks said there was consensus that the $12 billion in general obligation bonds proposed by Democratic leaders in September was too much to win the two-thirds approval needed in the Legislature. But trimming the borrowing back to $8 billion, as some participants have suggested, for delta restoration and new water storage would cut funding for regional projects such as recycling and groundwater cleanup. That could whittle support for the measure. Borrowing would also need approval from voters, who may be wary if state finances do not improve. Controller John Chiang reported Friday that income tax receipts have fallen 11% below what lawmakers and Schwarzenegger expected when they agreed to a patchwork budget plan during the summer. Sales and corporate taxes have also slid below expectations. "The recession continues to drag state revenues down," Chiang said in a statement. Policymakers were already bracing for a big budget deficit next year. The Department of Finance has projected a $7.4-billion deficit in 2010-11 -- a conservative estimate, as lawsuits have either tied up or reversed some planned budget cuts. Finances are not the only sticking point in a water deal. Bay Area water agencies are seeking protections -- opposed by environmentalists -- against the loss of some of their delta supplies. Protecting the delta ecosystem could require keeping more water there. And an agreement could help pave the way for a canal to divert water from the Sacramento River around the delta to pumps that would send it to San Joaquin Valley farms and Southern California cities. "Northern California is going to be served as the turkey at the celebratory dinner" if the water legislation passes as written, complained Randy Kanouse of the East Bay Municipal Utility District. Agricultural interests that pump groundwater don't like a proposed requirement for statewide monitoring of groundwater usage. And Central Valley lawmakers representing areas with some of the highest urban water use in California are trying to weaken a mandate to cut the state's per capita water use by 20%. Environmentalists have warned that if those provisions are weakened too much, they will balk. State lawmakers, meanwhile, anxiously awaited the fate of their legislation. Assembly Majority Leader Alberto Torrico (D-Newark) accused the governor on Thursday of "coming perilously close to extortion" and committing a crime by linking his review of pending bills to a water deal. But on Friday, state Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown, also a Democrat, largely dismissed that claim in a letter to Torrico and state Sen. Jeff Denham (R-Atwater). Brown, a former governor of California who is campaigning to get that job back, did not offer an official legal opinion. He suggested, however, that horse-trading is normal in the governing process and called the veto "a powerful weapon for shaping policy." "Compromise in the rough-and-tumble legislative process," Brown said, "is not achieved by doilies and tea." michael.rothfeld@latimes.com bettina.boxall@latimes.com Times staff writers Shane Goldmacher and Patrick McGreevy contributed to this report. The once mighty Central Valley of California has no water, pal.
What's that got to do with the subject of this thread? And who says I'm your pal??
H20 ... is about to go into government wars over private property rights, pal. It all about over consumption and ignorance of and about the environment around us. Natural resources are declining, pal.
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#10. To: buckeroo (#8)
GW phenomena modifies local weather patterns in different ways based upon geography and so forth.
#12. To: wudidiz (#10)
#14. To: buckeroo (#12)
It is rising faster than any time since life as we know it has existed.
#16. To: randge (#14)
There's pills for that.
#18. To: buckeroo (#16)
Duh Deux...
#19. To: wudidiz (#18)
#23. To: buckeroo (#19)
#25. To: wudidiz (#23)
I could probably cut and paste a dozen credible links refuting that.
#27. To: buckeroo (#25)
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#30. To: wudidiz (#27)
However, it's only up less than 1 degree.
#40. To: buckeroo (#30)
How about the Arctic and Antartica? Do you understand these two large ice systems are breaking up?
#41. To: farmfriend (#40)
#42. To: buckeroo (#41)
#43. To: farmfriend (#42)
#44. To: buckeroo (#43)
Are these massive areas losing or gaining ice?
#45. To: farmfriend (#44)
#48. To: buckeroo (#45)
#50. To: farmfriend (#48)
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#52. To: flickervertigo (#50)
too bad, even without global warming, peak oil is motive enough, isnt it?
#54. To: farmfriend (#52)
#76. To: flickervertigo (#54)
apparently the zionists see that control of energy consumption is very likely impossible, so global warming is inevitable,
#82. To: farmfriend (#76)
Your [flickervertigo] basic assumptions are way off.
#97. To: buckeroo (#82)
How?
#104. To: farmfriend (#97)
His assumptions that AGW is real, unavoidable
#106. To: buckeroo (#104)
Can you counter his arguments, at all?
#109. To: farmfriend (#106)
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#111. To: flickervertigo (#109)
you cant dispute the fact that co2 levels are rising, and have risen by 100 ppm since we've been burning fossil fuels.
#113. To: randge (#111)
Let's also not forget that the most significant greenhouse gas of all, H2O
State leaders fail to reach water accord If there is no deal by Sunday, governor says, he will veto many of the 700 legislative bills awaiting his signature. By Michael Rothfeld and Bettina Boxall
#114. To: buckeroo (#113)
#115. To: randge (#114)
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