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Title: Skiing While the Earth Burns
Source: The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index ... 0-skiing-while-the-earth-burns
Published: Oct 10, 2009
Author: Joe Wolverton, II
Post Date: 2009-10-10 16:32:34 by farmfriend
Ping List: *Agriculture-Environment*     Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*
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Skiing While the Earth Burns

Written by Joe Wolverton, II
Wednesday, 07 October 2009 19:29

In a sure sign that the Earth is, as predicted, warming to the point of human extinction, snowfall in the West has come sooner and heavier than in recorded history.

Many school districts have already been forced to close by unseasonable accumulations of snow. "We got dumped on last night, you can see that by looking around here. We weren't quite ready for it. It did cause us some issues in the school district," said Lonnie Barber, the superintendent of schools for Blaine County Idaho.

Idaho isn't alone in its reluctance to march into a fiery, iceless demise; in Colorado as well, the snow is falling fast and piling up quickly, to the delight of a state dependent for much of its income on the ski tourism trade. The ski resort at Loveland, Colorado, has opened already, the earliest start to a season in 40 years. It will be joined Friday by the resort at Arapahoe Basin. It seems the owners of ski resorts failed to recognize the climatological chaos that is causing the melting of snow and ice that is in turn setting off an avalanche of impending worldwide doom. Some people will do anything for a buck.

Vegas. Sin City. You would expect them to join the party and they have. You've heard the slogan: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." Well, according to the local Fox News affiliate in Las Vegas, what's happening is snow and what's staying is hundreds of skiers getting a welcome early start on the season. The Las Vegas Ski and Snowboard Resort is open for business earlier than ever before and business is booming. Says the resort's Base Operations Manager Craig Baldwin, “There are many skiers and snowboarders who love to jib on our freestyle terrain features, and we expect many families to take advantage of this great opportunity to learn the sport and have fun so early in the season."Again, open rebellion against the stark realities of the inconvenient truth of global warming. Must we brook such insolence and brazen defiance of those Chicken Littles who are doing their best to warn us all of the toasty fate waiting for us just around the corner.

While we wait for the alarming rise in global temperatures to melt the ice caps and swell the levels of the oceans, we might as well head out West and ski. Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*

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#43. To: farmfriend (#42)

You subscribe to "this" or "that" idea yet you didn't answer my question directly. Are these massive areas losing or gaining ice?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-10   21:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: buckeroo (#43)

Are these massive areas losing or gaining ice?

Gaining.

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-10   23:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: farmfriend (#44)

Can you find a reputable scientific link showing that the ice masses have been gaining over the past century or fifty years or even the last decade? And if you can, will you share it with me?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: buckeroo (#45) (Edited)

Can you find a reputable scientific link

There is the rub isn't it? What is a reputable link since many recent studies have been shown to be fraudulent?

Can you find a reputable scientific link showing that the ice masses have been gaining over the past century or fifty years or even the last decade?

I also have to take exception to the way you have things phrased. I don't like being baited. First you ask if it is increasing or decreasing. It is increasing. Then you qualify it with a time frame. It has decreased over all since the little ice age, the time frame you use. But this time frame wasn't included in your original question. You've moved the goal posts. I won't debate anyone who does that. Period.

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-11   13:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: buckeroo (#45)

you know what?

arguing about this is pointless.

the only thing that matters is that israel and the israeli americans are acting as if they believe both peak oil and global warming are the real things.

the consequences of their actions are more important, way more important in the short run, than threats posed by global warming.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: buckeroo (#45)

Daily Antarctic Sea Ice Area Anomaly

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-11   13:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: farmfriend (#46)

it's no coincidence at all that the most vehement deniers of global warming just happen to be the is raeli americans of the AEI and their oil company allies, who see global warming as (a) a threat to israel, and (b) a threat to oil company profits.

they have to deny global warming because global warming was their long-range reason for staging 9/11 to kick off their PNAC project.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: farmfriend (#48) (Edited)

if your motive doesnt exist, then you have no reason to commit the crime...

too bad that, even without global warming, peak oil is motive enough, isnt it?

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: flickervertigo (#49)

they have to deny global warming because global warming was their long-range reason for staging 9/11 to kick off their PNAC project.

You are misinformed and not seeing the bigger picture. The global elites and oil companies are actually on the AGW side not against it. Controlling supply and demand through carbon regulation will only increase oil profits. Follow the money.

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-11   13:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: flickervertigo (#50)

too bad, even without global warming, peak oil is motive enough, isnt it?

Peak oil? LOL.

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-11   13:31:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: farmfriend (#52)

Peak oil already occurred while the ice masses have significantly declined. Don't you see the obvious correlation?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: farmfriend (#52)

the PNAC project, kicked off by 9/11, is a joint israeli/israeli american project to gain (a) high ground ---aka the palestinian land in the west bank--- for israel, and (b) control of oil for the israelis and israeli americans bent on benevolent global hegemony through control of energy.

apparently the zionists see that control of energy consumption is very likely impossible, so global warming is inevitable, which makes sea level rise inevitable, which threatens israelis, 70% of whom live on land that will be flooded if the ice melts... so they're going for the high ground, just in case the oil acquisition project fails.

in the meantime, many of the supposed zionists, who are, in reality, only using israel and the holocaust for protective coloration, are looters, pure and simple, and have no illusions about retiring to israel once they've stacked up a few billion bucks'- worth of loot.

nope... they're going for enough cash to buy refuge someplace civilized once the shit hits the fan... which rules out israel.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: flickervertigo (#47)

you know what?

Could be, doc!

arguing about this is pointless.

Whom is arguing? I am asking questions.

the only thing that matters is that israel and the israeli americans are acting as if they believe both peak oil and global warming are the real things.

Well, there are few more things to consider about life all around us. Take for example: I have an ingrown wart on the bottom of my big toe. God, that thing hurts.

the consequences of their actions are more important, way more important in the short run, than threats posed by global warming.

How do you know? Are you the messiah?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: buckeroo (#55)

which is more likely to happen first?

global nuke war started by israelis and/or israeli americans?

or catastrophic sea level rise?

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:46:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#57. To: flickervertigo (#56)

Beats me. I left my crystal ball back at the gym.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#58. To: farmfriend, flickervertigo, *Global Climate Change* (#52)

too bad, even without global warming, peak oil is motive enough, isnt it?

Peak oil? LOL.

coyoteprime-runningcausei...o-real-shortage-ever.html

freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/

chemtrails

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   13:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: farmfriend, flickervertigo (#51)

The global elites and oil companies are actually on the AGW side not against it. Controlling supply and demand through carbon regulation will only increase oil profits. Follow the money.

Yes.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   13:54:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#60. To: wudidiz (#58)

Peak oil already occured. There is no doubt about it. The days of olde Jed Klampett shooting a bullet in the ground and Texas-T rising are over.

Today, oil harvesting requires BILLIONS of dollars for capitalized equipment sometimes going into the sea at depths of miles. At today's consumption rates the supplies will be limited to government only controls for national security purposes.

"Driving the USA in a Chevrolet" days are all over.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#61. To: wudidiz (#59)

They are running their game like the quasi-monopoly they are.

A monopoly always wants to sell you less and charge you more for it.

randge  posted on  2009-10-11   13:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#62. To: wudidiz (#58) (Edited)

how come israelis and israeli americans and their exxon allies are acting as if peak oil was the real deal?

i guess maybe this whole PNAC project could be about israel and israel only, huh?

but then why would exxon join up with the israeli americans (see comments) unless the plan to secure israel had something to do with oil?

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   13:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#63. To: randge (#61)

A monopoly always wants to sell you less and charge you more for it.

Sounds like all governments in the US: federal, state, county and local governments. But there are reasons: they need to pay the HUGE retirement and healthcare that they promised to bureaucrats.

The promised money does nothing for the world around us today.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   14:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#64. To: buckeroo (#63)

The promised money does nothing for the world around us today.

Does little for you and me either.

randge  posted on  2009-10-11   14:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#65. To: randge (#64)

Does little for you and me either.

Actually, in a sense it does. Here is why: with dwindling natural resources and a climbing population base, the government may continue it rape and pillage of and about the taxpayer base. They have an excuse to expand government rule and so-called "services" so as to mask the complexity of the problems already created.

You are looking into an abyss caused by government fraud, waste and outright tyranny. And what do you hear today? Sustained methodology approaches. It pours off the lips of every congress-critter that attempted to entertain their consitutents last Summer with the 0bamaCare plan.

It is all about increasing government control over our lives. Still, the science is staring us in the face showing the real manifestations of over-population. We have let government control us to the point that even your personal trash bag is scrutinized for waste by-products that are illegal.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   14:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#66. To: flickervertigo, buckeroo, randge, farmfriend, all (#62)

how come israelis and israeli americans and their exxon allies are acting as if peak oil was the real deal?

i guess maybe this whole PNAC project could be about israel and israel only, huh?

but then why would exxon join up with the israeli americans (see comments) unless the plan to secure israel had something to do with oil?

My point with oil being abiotic is that peak oil is a myth.

So is global warming.

Of course PNAC is about Israel and Israel only.

More about money/power than oil I suppose.

The lie is perpetuated for that purpose.

"By way of deception."

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: buckeroo, all (#65)

It is all about increasing government control over our lives. Still, the science is staring us in the face showing the real manifestations of over-population. We have let government control us to the point that even your personal trash bag is scrutinized for waste by-products that are illegal.

It is all about increasing government control over our lives. Still, the science junk science is staring us in the face showing the real manifestations myth of over-population. We have let government control us to the point that even your personal trash bag is scrutinized for waste by-products that are illegal.

Edited at no charge by wudidiz

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#68. To: wudidiz (#66)

please post production figures from abiotic oil fields.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:07:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#69. To: wudidiz (#67)

You confuse me. Are you saying there is an infinite supply of natural resources here on the planet? And are you also saying that as a result there can an infinite number of people using those same resources without any ramifications at all?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#70. To: flickervertigo (#68)

Uh-huh.

They're all abiotic.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#71. To: wudidiz (#66)

please explain why oil companies are spending billions of dollars to drill 200 miles offshore, in 10,000 feet of water and 20,000 feet of dirt under that, to find oil that's a hundred miles from the nearest pipeline.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#72. To: buckeroo (#69)

You confuse me. Are you saying there is an infinite supply of natural resources here on the planet? And are you also saying that as a result there can an infinite number of people using those same resources without any ramifications at all?

I'm making a sincere effort here to alleviate your confusion.

I'm saying that oil is abiotic, peak oil is a myth, global warming is a myth and the world is far from overpopulated.

I have posted many links with information to you to support this before.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:11:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#73. To: flickervertigo (#71)

please explain why oil companies are spending billions of dollars to drill 200 miles offshore, in 10,000 feet of water and 20,000 feet of dirt under that, to find oil that's a hundred miles from the nearest pipeline.

To get the oil?

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:12:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#74. To: All (#73)

It doesn't make sense that oil is made from fossils.

It does make sense that there are remnants of fossils found in oil.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#75. To: wudidiz (#73) (Edited)

ah...

"to get the oil"

why dont they drill in the suburbs of houston? ...wouldnt that be handier than drilling 200 miles offshore in a couple miles of water? ...and you can find abiotic oil anywhere, cant you?

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#76. To: flickervertigo (#54)

apparently the zionists see that control of energy consumption is very likely impossible, so global warming is inevitable,

Your basic assumptions are way off.

"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-10-11   15:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#77. To: flickervertigo (#75)

why dont they drill in the suburbs of houston? ...wouldnt that be handier than drilling 200 miles offshore in a couple miles of water? ...and you can find abiotic oil anywhere, cant you?

According to the theory, ALL oil is abiotic.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#78. To: wudidiz (#74) (Edited)

the exxon stockholders are gonna be plenty pissed off when they discover that their company is wasting billions of dollars drilling in such godawful places when they could be drilling for cheap abiotic oil in the outskirts of houston, arent they?

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#79. To: flickervertigo (#78)

Is this what they call a 'circular argument'?

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#80. To: wudidiz (#79) (Edited)

you seem to be ready to admit that the abiotic oil argument is pointless, just like the global warming argument.

if abiotic oil is so scarce that oil companies have to drill hundreds of miles offshore in a couple miles of water, then it really doesnt make much difference where the oil comes from...

...the main fact is, we're using it up faster than we're finding it, and it makes no difference how it was formed.

flickervertigo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:30:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#81. To: flickervertigo (#78)

the exxon stockholders are gonna be plenty pissed off when they discover that their company is wasting billions of dollars drilling in such godawful places when they could be drilling for cheap abiotic oil in the outskirts of houston, arent they?

I doubt that many stockholders would believe that oil is abiotic.

I'm not sure how you figure that because oil is abiotic that it is any cheaper.

I'm not sure how you have concluded that because it's not made from fossils that it can be found anywhere else than it already is.

"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-10-11   15:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#82. To: farmfriend (#76)

Your [flickervertigo] basic assumptions are way off.

How? Just his brief rant about Israel? He is coming back around, now. I think he understands a thread's focus.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-11   15:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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