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Title: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/28157
Published: Oct 11, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-10-11 21:46:43 by gengis gandhi
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Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership Politico Featured Topics: * Barack Obama George's Bottom Line on Tea Parties Play Video ABC News – George's Bottom Line on Tea Parties * Raw Video: Tea party protesters converge on D.C. Play Video Video:Raw Video: Tea party protesters converge on D.C. AP * Protestors Expected in Washington, D.C. Play Video Video:Protestors Expected in Washington, D.C. ABC News Alex Isenstadt Alex Isenstadt – Sun Oct 11, 8:00 am ET While the energy of the anti-tax and anti-Big Government tea party movement may yet haunt Democrats in 2010, the first order of business appears to be remaking the Republican Party. Whether it’s the loose confederation of Washington-oriented groups that have played an organizational role or the state-level activists who are channeling grass-roots anger into action back home, tea party forces are confronting the Republican establishment by backing insurgent conservatives and generating their own candidates — even if it means taking on GOP incumbents. “We will be a headache for anyone who believes the Constitution of the United States … isn’t to be protected,” said Dick Armey, chairman of the anti-tax and limited government advocacy group FreedomWorks, which helped plan and promote the tea parties, town hall protests and the September ‘Taxpayer March’ in Washington. “If you can’t take it seriously, we will look for places of other employment for you.” “We’re not a partisan organization, and I think many Republicans are disappointed we are not,” added Armey, a former GOP congressman. In Florida, where the national party has signaled its preference for centrist Gov. Charlie Crist in the GOP Senate primary, tea party activists are lining up behind former state House Speaker Marco Rubio in reaction to Crist’s public backing for President Barack Obama’s stimulus package. “We were very disappointed with Gov. Charlie Crist when he supported the stimulus, the bailout, and he appeared publicly with President Obama,” said Everett Wilkinson, a South Florida-based organizer for Tea Party Patriots. “The opposition comes from Crist’s support for the largest spending plan ever and the environmental policies he’s pushing on the American people.” Rubio has already made appearances at Florida tea parties, and protesters have been seen waving signs declaring, “Anybody but Charlie Crist.” He also has Armey’s endorsement, and Armey headlined a Dallas fundraiser for him several weeks ago. Wilkinson said that the tax status of his Florida-based group limits what it can do to assist Rubio in the August 2010 primary. But he said the organization would launch an aggressive get-out-the-vote operation and issue a report card grading each candidate appearing on the ballot. Tea party activists are also lining up behind challengers to GOP establishment-backed Senate candidates in Colorado and Connecticut. In California, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina — like Crist, another National Republican Senatorial Committee-favored Senate contender — is the target of tea party animus in her primary against conservative state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore. “My impression is that the support among tea partyers for DeVore is high,” said Mark Meckler, a California-based organizer for Tea Party Patriots. “I hear nothing but praise for the guy.” Tea party organizers say their resistance to Republican Party-backed primary candidates has much to do with what they perceive as the GOP’s stubborn insistence on embracing candidates who don’t abide by a small government, anti-tax conservative philosophy. “It’s an outgrowth of the frustration people have had with the Republican Party,” said Andrew Moylan, director of governmental affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, another group that has played a large role in organizing the tea party movement. “I think a lot of people have been angry at Republicans for betraying our trust.” “I think the GOP establishment has ignored their constituents and the feelings of their constituents for years,” added Meckler. It’s an unusual predicament for the Republican Party, since the conservative-oriented issues that animate Tea Party activists once seemed destined to make the movement a valuable auxiliary to the Republican Party. While there’s little evidence of tea party activist support for Democratic candidates, the specific notion of electing a GOP majority hasn’t ranked high on their agenda either. At the recent “Defending the American Dream Summit,” a conservative event held in Arlington, Va., a breakout session featuring tea party organizers saw panelists peppered with questions ranging from how to start up political action committees and 501(c)(3) organizations to whether it was necessary to hire lawyers. “Nothing is going to change unless we can get politicians elected who can implement fiscally conservative policies,” Teri Adams of the Philadelphia-based Independence Hall Tea Party Association, which will be launching a political arm, told those in attendance. In a handful of states, tea party activists have zeroed in on House Republican incumbents and have launched primary challenges in protest of their past support for the controversial Wall Street bank bailout. One of those activists, Canyon Clowdus, an Army veteran who is taking on third-term conservative Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas), has blasted the incumbent for making “a horrible mistake” in voting for Troubled Asset Relief Program. “He has put a financial burden on my four children that will amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars each,” Clowdus says of Conaway on his campaign website. “I think it was a bad, bad political decision,” Armey said of the 34 Senate Republicans and 91 House Republicans who voted for the TARP bailout, “and if you talk to grass-roots activists, it has become a political test for them.” Moylan agreed that TARP is “really kind of the flash point that started all of this.” “People are paying attention and are willing to hold these people accountable,” he said. For some, supporting insurgent campaigns or waging primary bids just isn’t a strong enough signal to send to a Republican Party that has abandoned core conservative policies. Erick Erickson, founder and editor of the influential conservative blog RedState, has urged tea party activists to “put down the protest signs” and stage takeovers of local Republican parties. “Grass-roots activists need to start infiltrating the party,” said Erickson. “The only way to start getting [the establishment] back is to start pounding them with every fist we have.” Read More Stories from POLITICO
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Ted Kennedy Is Now Eligible To Vote In Chicago.
Truly seems to be the POV of some of the Kool Aide drinkers. For all I know BO may turn out to be the worst president ever. But I really do not understand the notion of: 1) Not voting 2) voting for McCain Its not a perfect system, and I hate as many aspects of it as anyone here. Maybe we can turn it around, maybe we can't, but giving up = FAIL.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Well, I see that you are solidly in the corner with 'Bama and the Warmongers. We well know where you stand. When this futile butchery has gone wherever it is fated to go, many of us will be able to say that we oppposed it before it got off the ground, opposed it while it was being carried out, and opposed it after it came to whatever sad conclusion that finds its way into the history books. We'll also be able to say that we didn't lick the heels of the politicians that prosecuted this war.
At this point, it is not easy to not parody the reflexive response these people are doing consistently. They are trying to make a case of who not to support in a way that makes themselves appear way too unsavory to support or like instead of their target. In a way, it is fitting many of them are taking numbers to see who is the biggest supporter of the empty calorie candidate for 2012, Sarah Palin. Execute a negative campaign of doom and gloom, and you get what your karma deserves as a candidate to represent you.
Tom, if you voted for O or McCain you voted for war, so should the topic come up down the road, take a bow.
A Good Post.
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I get your point JT, and it is in my POV partially valid. I think partially because BO said (yes I know) he was for a pull out, JM was all for escalating. So a bb was shot over the bow of the MIC by OB winning, IMHO. A win for JM would have been a huge win for the MIC. I know a lesser of two evils is still evil. However, a revolution did not seem to be an option last November. Traditionally, from what I can see, is that presidents get captured by the established powers - and often are persuaded by those powers actions that are contrary to the vital interests of the country and compliant to the interests of the powers. In my view, JM would have eagerly embraced (and in fact did) the interests of the established powers. There are a lot of nice, full rice cups here and a lot of institutions are content and are in fact part and parcel of the massive corruption in the MIC. As a bit of a separate observation, the military low end my just rebel, in a few years of this bs, and put a dagger in the heart of the MIC.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I guess I'm at the point where I don't trust what a politician says. Neither candidate was an option and the 3rd party people, altho in line w/my political thought, had no shot. I'm one of 50? million (and growing) non voters because the offerings are liars, thieves, con artists and war mongers. When a true man/woman of peace comes along, who places America first, I'll consider supporting and voting for that person, but I'm not holding my breath.
And damn they should. I am stunned that ANY Republican would dare show thier face at Tea Party.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
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The GOP tried to hi jack the tea parties without really understanding what they were about. The GOP is about as blind as the left leaning media, if what you are doing isn't working, do more of it.
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Can't argue against you.
Why not have the Tea Party to join up all groups, and people, who have lost faith in the one party system. It's new, it's fresh, and it cuts across all party lines. It's millions of pissed-off Patriots.
Jethro Tull posted on 2009-10-11 22:47:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply ToTally Ok with that. Rebellion and voting is where I see the most effective place is to be.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I'm not impressed with the hypocrisy of the tea bag wans. It's just more Right wing fascist - you'll get freedom as long as you agree with us - crap. It is a movement not only not ready for prime time, it represents what it is against better then it articulates what it is for.
Then you have no understanding of what is it really about.
This is a good article. Very fair and straight forward.
I'll never "vote" again because I expatriated from the "federal reserve bank government" in D.C. a long time ago. However, I completely agree with your sentiments as stated above. There are no easy answers to the serious conditions existing in America today. People feel helpless to fight the fascist PTB while also fearing exposure to the wrath of federal goon squads should they even speak out or refuse to financially support these felons. The unity necessary to shut down the system doesn't exist yet, but it will increase as the usurpations of government continue to impact more and more people. It's hard for me to remember a time when we had a "right to be proud" of ourselves. Most of my life the mantra has been America "right or wrong" or America "love it or leave it" ... I am very disappointed that we aren't more unified against fascism but more than that I'm sickened by "party" hacks that will accept this communitarian shit because it appears that a momentary advantage or socialist handout of some sort might be coming their way. Principles that have sustained us for most of our history have been 86'd in favor of government handouts that always have restrictions of liberty attached to them. We are witnessing the disintegration of freedom for the sake of the complacent masses that need the government to babysit them from cradle to grave at the expense of those still willing to produce and contribute taxes to support the very people voting against their freedom. The producers will eventually be suffocated to the extent that the middle class will disappear, and the handout class of parasitic socialists will starve. South Africa is the "perfect" example of our future unless people can unite to be free and self-sufficient.
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
But you clapped like a circus seal when 500,000k illegals marched in LA. You're a socialist, plain and simple.
Actually, it's not fascism to call for less government. What is fascism (in many parts) and socialism (in the remaining parts) are the policies of the current administration. Protesting those policies is *anti-fascism*. Fascism, for the record, is the public direction of the output of private property. The government gets to decide the where, what, why and how, while the private citizen gets to pay the property tax and has no real say. That's this administration's direction thus far, clear and unequivocally.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Turn on GOP? The GOP has never been embraced by the tea partiers, though the GOP has tried damned hard to insinuate itself into the movement, they've been soundly booed at every rally I've ever attended.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Yes, SA is in the cards for us, except those that could, fled to America for a new start. We now live in the Land of the Last Resort, so the unite part of your statement is what we're left with. And with each additional insult, this isn't as far fetched as I thought even a year ago. Small groups of 3, 4, 5 are the way to go, and I'd bet most on this forum could organize that within days. Local cops are no match for that, and with Obama continuing to stick the military in the eye (convening meetings as they beg for help) we might get a percentage of them. The comment Gerald Celente is fond of saying, "when you have nothing to lose, you lose it" has never been more apropos.
Were there no eggs, tomatoes, or, even, rocks available??
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The cops were around, so we couldn't properly hang them as is required under existing statute.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You are absolutely right on. The two (really one) party system has bled the American Taxpayer's coffers dry. Americans have patiently gone along with the ever increasing corruption/socialism/fascism and police state politics to the point of a necessary rebellion. I don't surf other forums because I couldn't stomach those that support either party in the face of the blatant disregard shown by them for the basic principles, virtues and morality that have served humanity well throughout history. Disregard for these basics have always led to the collapse of society and the chaos that ensues. I find the maturity of most posters here refreshing. There are exceptions and the bozo list makes them sufferable.
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
There is no doubt that the Republican branch of the Fraud is attempting to inflitrate/hijack the Tea Party movement (as if Republicans are new to the federal government and have NEVER had any association with the federal government-- HAHA). If the Republican Frauds are soundly booted from and booed at these meetings, the tea parties shall magically become "fringe lunatic" gatherings subject to the silent treatment from even Faux News.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I went to my local tea party several months ago and I have to honestly say I wasn't impressed then and I'm not impressed now. While there may have been a lot of Ron Paul supporters in the crowd, the majority of the crowd consisted of unrepentant Republicrats. Unrepentant because after eight years of Republicrat big government, these fake conservatives just reelected one of the main ringleaders of the fiasco - Roy Blunt. Not only did they reelect him, they are pushing for him to be Missouri's next Senator when fellow big government Republicrat Kit Bond steps down to become a lobbyist for whichever foreign government has been lining his pockets for the last decade or more. I find the tea bag movement to be a farce. Those same republicrats screaming and hollering at the tea parties today will go right back to treating us small government types as kooks and traitors and calling for our arrest on sedition charges just as soon as their next Republicrat messiah steps into office. While there are some true small government types in the audiences, for the most part tea parties are full of Republicrats throwing temper tantrums because their man is no longer in power and they are afraid that they will no longer be able to dance in the blood of the the American soldier.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
While I agree with your sentiment about the tea baggers, if you want to see hypocrisy you should look in the mirror, where you will see not only hypocrisy, but a face full of dishonesty as well. If you were honest with yourself and the rest of us then you would hail the Bush administration as the biggest liberal success since LBJ. He did everything your kind has been demanding for decades. There is not a single area of government that did not expand by at least half during their reign. An honest, non-partisan liberal would call him your sides best friend. Especially since Obama has so far continued with the exact same policies as Bush, to include siding with them in court over spying on American citizens, among other things. As for your Monsanto picture, that is another area of hypocrisy. You pretend that you are an enemy of big agri-business monstrosities like Monsanto, ADM, etc., yet support a party and a president who are right at this minute trying to decimate the population of the American small farmer in order to decrease competition to these same companies you supposedly dislike. All under the name of "safety." Under the Democan Party, H.R. 2749 will run thousands of small farmers out of business. Then of course their is the NAIS which Obama and friends are also pushing. So much for being for the little guy. You are as much a fraud as your Republicrat counterparts, your claims of not being a Democan notwithstanding. Actions speak louder than words and your continued support of a president and party that has shown itself to be no different than its predecessors speaks volumes.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
That'll leave a mark. Well said. Feral is an unprincipled Statist after all.
I disagree having attended one. Consider these people the first awakening to the bi-partisan sell-out and EXTREMELY distrustful of ALL gubmint-types - INCLUDING Pubbies. Though we may viscerally despise the GOP for its Bush-Regime Big Gubmint expansion, we have either two options: Selectively trust and support those Republicans with whom we feel will turn reverse chunks of rampant Statism - while sh*t-canning RINOs - or work Independent Third Party. Indy-Third Party could have but didn't gain a foothold because Ron Paul chickened-out. At this point it's clear the Dims are going to steamroll us into a Fascist State if unchallenged, so unfortunately pseudo-pragmatic support of real conservative Pubbies is our only option - unless Sarah Palin runs Indy and really shakes things up. Otherwise, a messy CWII become a foregone conclusion.
If the Republican Frauds are soundly booted from and booed at these meetings, the tea parties shall magically become "fringe lunatic" gatherings subject to the silent treatment from even Faux News. You're right about the attempt to infiltrate/hijack the Tea Party Movement by the GOP. Screw 'em until and unless they publicly pledge to support and vote to reduce ALL taxes and spending, AND take Statist-RINOs to task. Not many willing to commit to that extent I suppose... I would cheer them on in THAT case. It'll be interesting to watch FOX's further coverage of the Tea Parties as GOP-pretenders continue to be rejected in their obvious usurpation of the Movement.
There may be a CWII 'reenactment' in a pasture somewhere. If you look at the reality TV-addicted, SSRI-gobbling, majority-obese American public, I think you'll find there is not a critical mass for what you are hankering for. Maybe a TV crew will be on hand to video what goes on in the pasture to make it into a reality TV show. I don't think it'll get very good ratings, though.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
What is SSRI?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
If you look at the reality TV-addicted, SSRI-gobbling, majority-obese American public, I think you'll find there is not a critical mass for what you are hankering for. 1) Both Deecember 6, 1941 and September 10, 2009 were calm, lovely days. 2) Of what issue do you find "critical mass" for anything?? Though it's true the majority remain passive about getting pushed around by a Statist gubmint, even a super-pissed, organized 2% can facilitate a different kind of "Hope & Change." And you're "hankering" for what again??
Anti-Depressants.
With respect to the National Organic Program, it is my expectation that the FDA will work very closely with the NOP as it implements this bill to ensure there are no such conflicts. There is direction within the bill for the FDA to consider small farms, organic practices and conservation methods, and I trust that this will be followed. The intention of this bill is not to harm farming practices that have existed for centuries with minimal documented health risk." http://www.foodrenegade.com/hr-2749-passes-with-some-reassuring-language/ Ironic you should try to attack on this front. And it's not just because I changed the signature block last night as I do from time to time. I have many friends who like me are into organic gardening and I shop mostly at small organic heavy markets. We had been gathering signatures on petitions against the worst in this bill and by no means am I totally satisfied with all the changes in it. But the bill is not currently as bad as you say. There is more that does need to be done to it before it becomes law. I would also point out that I stopped working all aspects of industrial forestry in 1994, including on wild land fires because of the problems associated with turning the remaining healthy forest primeval into a tree farm. And this happened about the time I became a Green and became a forest activist full time for a long time. Political Party roles are open public information, and me, Michael Joseph McCarthy of Eugene, Oregon is a Pacific Green Party member, and you cover attitudes of some Democrats that caused me to change my lifelong membership in the Democratic Party. And I supported Barack Obama because my worries with the direction generally of the U.S. made it hard to get anywhere on farming and forestry issues because Smirk and Snarl had made things so dangerous for us internationally, it was hard to get people to focus on issues such as you talk about in your post and I nearly died protesting in my fall in 1998 from a tree I was climbing to banner for a demonstration planned the next day. I don't have any argument with you about the bad things in this bill, many of which have been removed, changed of modified because of problems with it. And I didn't spend the time I spent this summer at Red Barn Grocery helping table in front for petition signatures and to inform people about the problems with this bill and other legislation I am concerned with for any other reason then my concern for small organic farmers. We need more of them not less. We need to learn from their example, not to hurt them or put them out of business. Thanks for mentioning this bill by the way, I am heartened by your knowledge and concern about it. However, you are mis-informed if you think I am unaware of the problems with it and if you think I am not extremely concerned about it still.
You seem to know a lot about reality tee-bee. I'm going to guess you are a huge fan of American Idol and Survivor.
Ah, ok, thanks.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You're effin kidding me. Just WOW. And of course you assumed the pro-fascist-Statist Commie will "solve" the problem?
Really? Well I looked and I didn't see any, not even a Hickey. In any event, big words, those one claiming I am an "unprincipled Statist" considering you would love the Feds to ban Islam and banish all Muslims into either a second class citizen status or be removed from the U.S. Seems to me, that is downright oppressive of you and shows no love of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. You great big gregarious fascism lover you. ;-)
The closest this street agitator from Chicago comes to farming is a rare MSM update on his brother in Kenya, the one who lives in a hut and eats mud pies.
I don't know about that SoL. I did notice that Palin's posse drew from the Oath Keepers personal page when I created an account and signed-up to monitor them. Which is why I do this sort of thing. I signed up with Oath Keepers first, then later did so with the Palin group. From experience doing this since the early 1990s, I learned to omit minor facts to see if I could get the system to draw them in from other databases, and this happened with the Palin group sign-up. As far as I am concerned, this makes me very skeptical about the actual motives and goals of Oath Keepers specifically and the Tea Party movement in general. Too many things here are joined at the hip for me not to be cynical about various groups on the right and what they actually trying to do.
And good morning to you Mr. Fuss budget Tom. I hope your day is going well too. ;-)
I didn't see any self proclaimed or advertising "Oath Keepers" at any of the functions around this area. And I've heard and seen Republicans (and Dems) booed with equal vigor at these gatherings, for the same reasons. I suspect that it's a matter of where you're at in the nation. Each area's rally seems to be different than other area's rallies. Nature of the beast when dealing with grassroots.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You're not a physical contortionist then? Big words, those one claiming I am an "unprincipled Statist" considering you would love the Feds to ban Islam and banish all Muslims into either a second class citizen status or be removed from the U.S. In minute numbers, Muslims are as benign as any other dangerous cult... In larger numbers that is NOT the case. Ideally - for America to survive the future without turning into a chaotic Muzzie-infested Europe, Muslim immigration must be restricted. The Cult of Islam is proven NOT to be compatible with ANY civilized, productive, tolerant society. It is oppressive and represents the antithesis of "liberty." As to my assertion that you are nothing but an "unprincipled statist," that you support Islam - an iron-fisted theocracy-by-the sword if ever there was one - proves any one of 100 points I could use to back it up.
Why out themselves?
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order. Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal. In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles). 2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of “writs of assistance,” which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written. We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people. 3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal. The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason. 4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution. Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army. The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people. 5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union. In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty. Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm. Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted. Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government. 6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war. Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason. 7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext. Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example. Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.”NOT on Our Watch!” 8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war. During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people. Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war. We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are. 9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord. Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone. Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people. 10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances. There would have been no American Revolution without fiery speakers and writers such as James Otis, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Sam Adams “setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” you define that as rightwing? i don't understand how any true patriotic American could not be fully supportive of the OathKeepers.
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
Who knows? Most of the hyperventilating from the left about the tea party movement is based on filtered disinformation. I'm certain that some in the GOP are trying to hijack the movement, but that's a far cry from the movement being an organ of the GOP. That is simply not true.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I honestly have no idea who the Oath Keepers are, but that looks to me like a fine platform. In fact, how could a real leftist oppose that kind of platform?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
BUT you weren't skeptical about the motives and goals of Barry effin 0bama?? (triple eyeball roll)
OK, fair enough. Tell you what, next time a tea party is close enough to where I will be much of this next year in Connecticut dealing with family business, I'll go check it out for myself. I would say that that is the least I can do. Though I'm here to tell you, when I went to the rally at one of the Federal Court Houses in Eugene during the Klamath Water controversy, even though I was an openly myself account holder at Free Republic, they shunned me heavily based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" until I complained and they had to change it. ;-)
No reference indicating support of the Darter Snail? Meh. ;-)
Most of the hyperventilating from the left about the tea party movement is based on filtered disinformation. I'm certain that some in the GOP are trying to hijack the movement, but that's a far cry from the movement being an organ of the GOP. That is simply not true. I concur.
The part of them that you see above water looks fine and dandy. It's the larger mass unseen about them below the water I have issues with.
The Klamath Falls controversy predates the Tea Party movement by *years*. There are all types showing up here in central Ohio. From nice dressed upper middle class, to middle class to weird-scary to hippy. Nobody seems to care that I'm aware of. Keep in mind that many libertarians dress like hippies, so it's not surprising to see that kind of thing at a rally (here).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SSRI = Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, prescribed to tens of millions of Americans allegedly to keep them from being depressed. Every now and then you'll hear of one of them going off his meds and literally going ballistic.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Snail darter, Percina tanasi OK, we can talk about it, but first understand it's a fish. It is no snail, it eats them.
Bad guess. I don't own a TV.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
The federal government is no different than it has been for my entire lifetime. It has never failed to grow from decade to decade, probably since shortly after the end of WW II. That's what's so amusing about this suddenly "super-pissed" cohort which has emerged over the last nine months. I didn't see any evidence of them during the previous eight years. Before that, they evidenced their "pissiness" over Bill and Hillary from time to time, but with not quite the same intensity level. It just seems to be that the only time the "pissed" rise to the level of a political movement is whenever the GOPers lose an election. There was one exception and that was the grassroots phenomenon which arose around Ross Perot's candidacy in the summer of '92, but then he was threatened by one of David Rockefeller's henchmen and quickly backed off
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I keep hearing that argument. The proper response is to ask a counter question: Using your assumption as a basis, it is thus fair to assume that prior to 1787, the French were completely happy with their monarchy? Prior to the Russian Revolution, just one year prior, the were the Russians completely happy with their Czar? Prior to 1775, were the Colonists completely happy with the King of England? Because using your assumption one would naturally have to draw these conclusions. The term "critical mass" is the real reason.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I also attended one in my area, which I discussed in my post 31. Consider these people the first awakening to the bi-partisan sell-out and EXTREMELY distrustful of ALL gubmint-types - INCLUDING Pubbies. That may be true in your area, but I have a hard time believing that in my part of the country because of the overwhelming reelection of big government Republicrat Roy Blunt and the very strong local backing he has for his upcoming run for the US Senate. People who are really interested in small government and are awakening to the sell-outs do not reelect people like Roy Blunt after his leadership role within the House of Representatives during the Bush administration. He co-wrote and sponsored the free drugs for geezers legislation. He pushed and voted for literally every big government piece of legislation dreamed up by the Republicrat party and was rewarded handsomely for his betrayal by being reelected. Now the same people who reelected him are protesting big government as tea baggers? really? At this point it's clear the Dims are going to steamroll us into a Fascist State if unchallenged, so unfortunately pseudo-pragmatic support of real conservative Pubbies is our only option - unless Sarah Palin runs Indy and really shakes things up. Otherwise, a messy CWII become a foregone conclusion. Considering that most of Obama's actions consist of continuing Bush Administration policies, what does that say about the Republicrat party? What real conservative pubbies are there in office? Very, very few and the ones there are are pariah's within the GOP establishment and are going exactly nowhere. We had a chance during this last election cycle to replace those who spent eight years stabbing us in the back and yet instead of replacing them with those who actually believe in their party platform, we rewarded the overwhelming majority of them with reelection, first in the Republicrat primaries and then again in the general elections. With all due respect, these are not the actions of people interested in small government.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
A good tea party poster: HYPOCRITS AND IDIOTS VOTE FOR INCUMBENTS
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The Bill was passed in the HOR on Jul 29, 2009 and according to the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, it is still a very dangerous bill which will have extreme negative consequences upon the small farmers of the nation due to the vagueness of the wording and the FDA's ability to interpret this vagueness in whatever manner it chooses. As you know, the FDA has a history of being a bought and paid for organ of both the pharmaceutical and agri-business companies. And I supported Barack Obama because my worries with the direction generally of the U.S. With the exception of a couple of areas, I haven't been able to see much of a difference between the two or the direction the country is heading. It seems to me that Obamaphiles are so eager to get nationalized health care passed that they are willing to to overlook that which they complained most loudly about prior to the election, i.e, the loss of civil liberties and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of a sudden neither of these issues are important and supposed die hard groups like Code Pink are now even making weak excuses to justify them.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
REPUBLICANS/DEMOCRATS ARE TRAITORS AND IDIOTS THIRD PARTY OR SAME OLD CRAP. YOU DECIDE. END ALL FOREIGN AID. NOW. SAVE LIVES. SAVE MONEY. BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW. OBAMA = BUSH OLBERMANN = HANNITY DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS -- ONE CORRUPT CIRCUS
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Every day is a day in paradise for me. I'm blessed (and not by some witch or warlock). In fact my days get even better when socialists are exposed for what they are.
Well, what exactly and specifically would that be? Share it with us. And, do you disagree with any of the ten points in post #51?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
By the way, my comments to you were in no way meant as an attack. I wasn't attacking you at all. Attacking you would be calling you names. I've read what other have posted to you in the past and THAT is attacking you. While I have indeed lost my temper and responded to people in such a way, it is pretty rare and I do not believe I have ever done that to you, in this thread or any other. While I do throw a cuss word or two around, I try real hard not to attack people. Sometimes I fail. Most of the time I do not. I was merely pointing out to you what I consider to be your own hypocrisy.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
HYPOCRITS AND IDIOTS VOTE FOR INCUMBENTS I like it. On a related subject, a couple of days ago a friend of mine gave me a bumper sticker with one picture of Obama dressed as the joker and another picture of Bush dressed as the joker with an equal sign between them. It is sweet. I haven't put it on the car yet due to all the rain we've been having, but I can't wait to put it on!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Damn good one!!!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Isn't it though? LOL! He went to some bumper sticker company on the web that lets you make your own bumper stickers. He then bought a dozen of them and gave me one. I think it will be a hit to some and of course it will piss off the partisan members of the two party fraud who actually still try to delude themselves into believing that there is a dimes worth of difference between the two.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
No worries. Your post was highly appropriate and welcome. Thanks for it by the way.
My concern that it is a bait and switch action more concerned with database building was exacerbated by the undeniable evidence it is joined at the hip to the Palin group, Team Sarah that is trying to build a database of supporters for her to run on in 2012. I included the fake middle name on the Oath Keeper sign up, but not on the Palin one. Lo and behold if that middle name didn't appeared at Team Sarah though I had not provided it there as I did on Oath Keepers. The only place I had done that. There were other indicators, but that is one for example. I pay attention how and where they engage people on these sites, the security level they use to try to detect people like me, and other things. Looking at both sites I see obvious similarities in how the pages are built and their features. I also note that they paid attention as to how Barack Obama successfully used the Internet in his successful Presidential campaign and seek to emulate it. And don't be shocked at my ferreting. How else do you think I torpedoed Nader's attempt to get on the Oregon ballot the Bush v. Kerry election? By not knowing what I was doing when I investigated their operation? ;-D
Sort of like Barack Obama wherein we just got a darker Bush III.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Juan McOBush bump
i want one!
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
Socialism / Marxism = Fascism Crappitalism merged with World Socialism / Marxism = Globalism - Totalitarian New Communist World Order The usurpation of sovereignty if complete. "It is finished"...
But that doesn't mean the tea parties are fascist. They are about getting government to adhere to the Constitution plain and simple.
FERRET MIKE the commie freak said: Me, me, me, ... it's alllll about me, me me !!! Fairy Mike is sooooooooooooooo shunnable !!! based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" They should have known Ferret was "COUNTER Intelligence" ...
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
I don't think he is and despite our political differences I like Mike.
I once thought the same way as you regarding Mike. That was, until Obama proved to be the exact opposite of what he claimed to be or what America needs in a President. Unlike those supporters of Bush that failed to recognize him for the "communitarian" fascist that he was prior to (s)electing him, but upon determining this they spoke out against him, Mike continues to spout nonsense in support of the Obama puppet the evidence of his criminality be damned. I suppose Mike should be given the benefit of the doubt regarding his position with respect to Obama, but he claims to be intelligent at the same time, which is an absurdity. Of course, many voted for Bush twice and claimed to be intelligent as well. So maybe being critical of Mike is unfair, and voters in general should be exposed as idiots. In order for "voters" to explain their poor choices (which they generally are on both sides of the political coin) they must resort to age old expressions like "they've always been crooks" or "all politicians lie" "he/she was the lesser of two evils" ... I ask how long should those that are ill effected by the poor choices of voters take it or suffer the fraud condoned by others ? I was actually trying to make a joke about Mike being "counter" intelligence ... meaning stupid not a spy, even though he'd probably volunteer to spy/snitch on Obubba's opposition.
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
How did you get an account at FR? You were banned for life shortly after I signed up there in late 98. RimJob actually let you have an account again?
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo That's how I see it.
I don't think Jim Rob really cares who posts there. As long as no one complains you can go back.
OK, we can talk about it, but first understand it's a fish. It is no snail, it eats them. Then let's talk about it Professor... Is it your position that preserving the habitat of the Snail Darter is worth jeopardizing the standard of living and welfare of millions of human beings?
It just seems to be that the only time the "pissed" rise to the level of a political movement is whenever the GOPers lose an election. True - the gubmint has always grown - but NOT to the the extent of current magnitude in either numbers, control, or intrusion. You HAVE heard of "the straw that broke the camel's back"? I didn't see any evidence of them during the previous eight years. Before that, they evidenced their "pissiness" over Bill and Hillary from time to time, but with not quite the same intensity level. There was "pissiness" over both Bubba AND Dubya's policies by conservatives, but apparently you were asleep at the wheel. The Kenyan has been quite open about its socialist agenda - shall I assume you've been made aware of Janet Napolitano's infamous DHS "leak" as to who should be considered potential "domestic terrorists"? Moreover, have you been THAT oblivious to 0bama's socialist wealth redistribution agenda? Or perhaps you're onboard? Have you not noticed 0bama's clear assault on the Middle Class? OR ON AMERICA ITSELF?? ALL enforced by the 0bomba Administration. There was one exception and that was the grassroots phenomenon which arose around Ross Perot's candidacy in the summer of '92, but then he was threatened by one of David Rockefeller's henchmen and quickly backed off On that we agree...in part. With respect to the Tea Partiers and pissed off conservatives and even moderates about the never ending profligate spending of the Socialist Usurper, what you're seeing IS legit "Grass Roots" - though with no singular leader as of yet a la Perot.
The anti-Big Gubmint Outrage is "awakening" as I asserted and obviously not yet as widespread as it needs to be. BUT, it's growing. Either Blunt has a very weak Dim opponent or has merely played his cards right to a constituency that hasn't been hurt much yet by Big Gubmint policies. People who are really interested in small government and are awakening to the sell-outs do not reelect people like Roy Blunt after his leadership role within the House of Representatives during the Bush administration. He co-wrote and sponsored the free drugs for geezers legislation. He pushed and voted for literally every big government piece of legislation dreamed up by the Republicrat party and was rewarded handsomely for his betrayal by being reelected. Now the same people who reelected him are protesting big government as tea baggers? really? Firstly, you've clearly been watching too much Olbermann and MSNBC ("Teabaggers"??) Secondly, maybe Blount's constituency IS "geezers" and socialist-leaning moderates. Thirdly, maybe he's getting fed by the RNC. Considering that most of Obama's actions consist of continuing Bush Administration policies, what does that say about the Republicrat party? What real conservative pubbies are there in office? Very, very few and the ones there are are pariah's within the GOP establishment and are going exactly nowhere. WHO is defending the GOP? I agree - far too many of them promote federalism and should be shunned and rejected. But remember - the corrupt NWO-infested RNC controls the "right" GOP candidates to begin with, and NOT conservative pubbies. As to the assertion 0bama is merely an extension of Bush's Admin policies, uummm...NOT quite. NWO-tool Dubya may have jacked-up Statist policies, but 0bama's have flagrantly, openly, and obtrusively declared war on America to the point that NOTHING he does benefits the country, but rather overtly helps destroy it. We had a chance during this last election cycle to replace those who spent eight years stabbing us in the back and yet instead of replacing them with those who actually believe in their party platform, we rewarded the overwhelming majority of them with reelection, first in the Republicrat primaries and then again in the general elections. With all due respect, these are not the actions of people interested in small government. We had ZIP chance because the sheeple were still in the dark about the true intentions and agenda of most of the (R)s or as in the case of McStain, The Fix was in. The RINO-Globalist RNC leadership must be purged and made to walk the plank. THIS time around should be a different story, but then again the RNC may have already inserted too many RINOs into too many elections.
Yeah, but back during the klamath thing, he did care, no?
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Jim Rob has never cared. I knew this right after Klamath when the Sawgrass rebellion was taking shape. This was an offshoot of Klamath and he killed any property rights activism on the board in favor of re-electing Jeb Bush.
Add that "credential" to JR's killing off forum support for the Minutemen over Dubya Bush's "vigilante" comment at FR. Mercenary GOP Shill.
Which Minutemen? There is more than one group and one well known one was nothing but a scam.
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Tom, if you voted for O or McCain you voted for war, so should the topic come up down the road, take a bow.
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"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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I guess I'm at the point where I don't trust what a politician says. Neither candidate was an option and the 3rd party people, altho in line w/my political thought, had no shot. I'm one of 50? million (and growing) non voters because the offerings are liars, thieves, con artists and war mongers. When a true man/woman of peace comes along, who places America first, I'll consider supporting and voting for that person, but I'm not holding my breath.
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It's just more Right wing fascist - you'll get freedom as long as you agree with us - crap.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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“Grass-roots activists need to start infiltrating the party,” said Erickson. “The only way to start getting [the establishment] back is to start pounding them with every fist we have.”
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I guess I'm at the point where I don't trust what a politician says. Neither candidate was an option and the 3rd party people, altho in line w/my political thought, had no shot.
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I'm not impressed with the hypocrisy of the tea bag wans. It's just more Right wing fascist - you'll get freedom as long as you agree with us - crap.
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South Africa is the "perfect" example of our future unless people can unite to be free and self-sufficient.
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, they've been soundly booed at every rally I've ever attended.
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The GOP has never been embraced by the tea partiers, though the GOP has tried damned hard to insinuate itself into the movement, they've been soundly booed at every rally I've ever attended.
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I'm not impressed with the hypocrisy of the tea bag wans.
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As for your Monsanto picture, that is another area of hypocrisy. You pretend that you are an enemy of big agri-business monstrosities like Monsanto, ADM, etc., yet support a party and a president who are right at this minute trying to decimate the population of the American small farmer in order to decrease competition to these same companies you supposedly dislike. All under the name of "safety." Under the Democan Party, H.R. 2749 will run thousands of small farmers out of business. Then of course their is the NAIS which Obama and friends are also pushing. So much for being for the little guy.
#34. To: Hayek Fan (#31)
I find the tea bag movement to be a farce. Those same republicrats screaming and hollering at the tea parties today will go right back to treating us small government types as kooks and traitors and calling for our arrest on sedition charges just as soon as their next Republicrat messiah steps into office.
#35. To: wbales (#30)
There is no doubt that the Republican branch of the Fraud is attempting to inflitrate/hijack the Tea Party movement (as if Republicans are new to the federal government and have NEVER had any association with the federal government-- HAHA).
#36. To: Liberator (#34)
Otherwise, a messy CWII become a foregone conclusion.
#37. To: Sam Houston (#36)
#38. To: Sam Houston (#36)
There may be a CWII 'reenactment' in a pasture somewhere.
#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
What is SSRI?
#40. To: Hayek Fan (#32)
"The bill before us includes important language that would exempt from registration and from fees on-farm processors who sell more than half of their product by value directly to consumers or who process grain for sale to other farms. I believe these two provisions go a long way to satisfying the kinds of concerns being expressed. However, I realize there are other small farms or small local processors who will not fit under these exemptions who may face a hardship and I promise to work with my colleagues to address these concerns as the bill moves into conference.
#41. To: Sam Houston (#36)
Maybe a TV crew will be on hand to video what goes on in the pasture to make it into a reality TV show. I don't think it'll get very good ratings, though.
#42. To: Liberator (#39)
#43. To: Ferret Mike, Hayek Fan (#40)
(Edited)
I supported Barack Obama because my worries with the direction generally of the U.S. made it hard to get anywhere on farming and forestry issues...
#44. To: Liberator (#33)
"That'll leave a mark."
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
I supported Barack Obama because my worries with the direction generally of the U.S. made it hard to get anywhere on farming and forestry issues...
#46. To: SonOfLiberty (#24)
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#45)
#48. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
#49. To: Ferret Mike (#44)
Really? Well I looked and I didn't see any, not even a Hickey.
#50. To: SonOfLiberty (#48)
I didn't see any self proclaimed or advertising "Oath Keepers" at any of the functions around this area.
#51. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
#52. To: Liberator (#50)
#53. To: Jethro Tull, Ferret Mike (#45)
The closest this street agitator from Chicago comes to farming is a rare MSM update on his brother in Kenya, the one who lives in a hut and eats mud pies.
#54. To: christine (#51)
#55. To: Ferret Mike (#46)
As far as I am concerned, this makes me very skeptical about the actual motives and goals of Oath Keepers specifically and the Tea Party movement in general.
#56. To: SonOfLiberty, farmfriend (#48)
#57. To: christine (#51)
you define that as rightwing? i don't understand how any true patriotic American could not be fully supportive of the OathKeepers.
#58. To: SonOfLiberty (#52)
#59. To: SonOfLiberty (#54)
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
#61. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
#62. To: Liberator (#57)
"No reference indicating support of the Darter Snail?"
#63. To: Liberator (#41)
I'm going to guess you are a huge fan of American Idol and Survivor.
#64. To: Liberator (#38)
#65. To: Sam Houston (#64)
#66. To: Liberator (#34)
(Edited)
I disagree having attended one.
#67. To: Hayek Fan (#66)
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
But the bill is not currently as bad as you say.
#69. To: All (#67)
(Edited)
#70. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#71. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
(Edited)
It's the larger mass unseen about them below the water
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
Ironic you should try to attack on this front.
#73. To: wbales (#67)
A good tea party poster:
#74. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
with one picture of Obama dressed as the joker and another picture of Bush dressed as the joker with an equal sign between them.
#75. To: wbales (#74)
Damn good one!!!!
#76. To: Hayek Fan (#72)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
Greater Good bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#78. To: wbales (#71)
(Edited)
#79. To: Ferret Mike (#78)
My concern that it is a bait and switch action
#80. To: wbales (#79)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#81. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
#82. To: wbales (#79)
Sort of like Barack Obama wherein we just got a darker Bush III.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#83. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Though I'm here to tell you, when I went to the rally at one of the Federal Court Houses in Eugene during the Klamath Water controversy, even though I was an openly myself account holder at Free Republic, they shunned me heavily based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" until I complained and they had to change it.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#84. To: farmfriend (#83)
(Edited)
Though I'm here to tell you, when I went to the rally at one of the Federal Court Houses in Eugene during the Klamath Water controversy, even though I was an openly myself account holder at Free Republic, they shunned me heavily based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" until I complained and they had to change it.
#85. To: noone222 (#84)
They should have known Ferret was "COUNTER Intelligence" ...
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#86. To: farmfriend (#85)
I don't think he is and despite our political differences I like Mike.
#87. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Let me get this straight.
#88. To: noone222 (#86)
and voters in general should be exposed as idiots.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#89. To: Critter (#87)
How did you get an account at FR? You were banned for life shortly after I signed up there in late 98. RimJob actually let you have an account again?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#90. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
Snail darter, Percina tanasi
#91. To: Sam Houston (#64)
The federal government is no different than it has been for my entire lifetime. It has never failed to grow from decade to decade, probably since shortly after the end of WW II. That's what's so amusing about this suddenly "super-pissed" cohort which has emerged over the last nine months.
#92. To: Hayek Fan (#66)
I have a hard time believing that [awakening to the bi-partisan sell-out and EXTREMELY distrustful of ALL gubmint-types - INCLUDING Pubbies] in my part of the country because of the overwhelming reelection of big government Republicrat Roy Blunt and the very strong local backing he has for his upcoming run for the US Senate.
#93. To: farmfriend (#89)
Let me get this straight.
#94. To: Critter (#93)
Yeah, but back during the klamath thing, he did care, no?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#95. To: farmfriend, Critter (#94)
Jim Rob has never cared. I knew this right after Klamath when the Sawgrass rebellion was taking shape. This was an offshoot of Klamath and he killed any property rights activism on the board in favor of re-electing Jeb Bush.
#96. To: Liberator, critter (#95)
JR's killing off forum support for the Minutemen
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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