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Title: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/28157
Published: Oct 11, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-10-11 21:46:43 by gengis gandhi
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Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership Politico Featured Topics: * Barack Obama George's Bottom Line on Tea Parties Play Video ABC News – George's Bottom Line on Tea Parties * Raw Video: Tea party protesters converge on D.C. Play Video Video:Raw Video: Tea party protesters converge on D.C. AP * Protestors Expected in Washington, D.C. Play Video Video:Protestors Expected in Washington, D.C. ABC News Alex Isenstadt Alex Isenstadt – Sun Oct 11, 8:00 am ET While the energy of the anti-tax and anti-Big Government tea party movement may yet haunt Democrats in 2010, the first order of business appears to be remaking the Republican Party. Whether it’s the loose confederation of Washington-oriented groups that have played an organizational role or the state-level activists who are channeling grass-roots anger into action back home, tea party forces are confronting the Republican establishment by backing insurgent conservatives and generating their own candidates — even if it means taking on GOP incumbents. “We will be a headache for anyone who believes the Constitution of the United States … isn’t to be protected,” said Dick Armey, chairman of the anti-tax and limited government advocacy group FreedomWorks, which helped plan and promote the tea parties, town hall protests and the September ‘Taxpayer March’ in Washington. “If you can’t take it seriously, we will look for places of other employment for you.” “We’re not a partisan organization, and I think many Republicans are disappointed we are not,” added Armey, a former GOP congressman. In Florida, where the national party has signaled its preference for centrist Gov. Charlie Crist in the GOP Senate primary, tea party activists are lining up behind former state House Speaker Marco Rubio in reaction to Crist’s public backing for President Barack Obama’s stimulus package. “We were very disappointed with Gov. Charlie Crist when he supported the stimulus, the bailout, and he appeared publicly with President Obama,” said Everett Wilkinson, a South Florida-based organizer for Tea Party Patriots. “The opposition comes from Crist’s support for the largest spending plan ever and the environmental policies he’s pushing on the American people.” Rubio has already made appearances at Florida tea parties, and protesters have been seen waving signs declaring, “Anybody but Charlie Crist.” He also has Armey’s endorsement, and Armey headlined a Dallas fundraiser for him several weeks ago. Wilkinson said that the tax status of his Florida-based group limits what it can do to assist Rubio in the August 2010 primary. But he said the organization would launch an aggressive get-out-the-vote operation and issue a report card grading each candidate appearing on the ballot. Tea party activists are also lining up behind challengers to GOP establishment-backed Senate candidates in Colorado and Connecticut. In California, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina — like Crist, another National Republican Senatorial Committee-favored Senate contender — is the target of tea party animus in her primary against conservative state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore. “My impression is that the support among tea partyers for DeVore is high,” said Mark Meckler, a California-based organizer for Tea Party Patriots. “I hear nothing but praise for the guy.” Tea party organizers say their resistance to Republican Party-backed primary candidates has much to do with what they perceive as the GOP’s stubborn insistence on embracing candidates who don’t abide by a small government, anti-tax conservative philosophy. “It’s an outgrowth of the frustration people have had with the Republican Party,” said Andrew Moylan, director of governmental affairs for the National Taxpayers Union, another group that has played a large role in organizing the tea party movement. “I think a lot of people have been angry at Republicans for betraying our trust.” “I think the GOP establishment has ignored their constituents and the feelings of their constituents for years,” added Meckler. It’s an unusual predicament for the Republican Party, since the conservative-oriented issues that animate Tea Party activists once seemed destined to make the movement a valuable auxiliary to the Republican Party. While there’s little evidence of tea party activist support for Democratic candidates, the specific notion of electing a GOP majority hasn’t ranked high on their agenda either. At the recent “Defending the American Dream Summit,” a conservative event held in Arlington, Va., a breakout session featuring tea party organizers saw panelists peppered with questions ranging from how to start up political action committees and 501(c)(3) organizations to whether it was necessary to hire lawyers. “Nothing is going to change unless we can get politicians elected who can implement fiscally conservative policies,” Teri Adams of the Philadelphia-based Independence Hall Tea Party Association, which will be launching a political arm, told those in attendance. In a handful of states, tea party activists have zeroed in on House Republican incumbents and have launched primary challenges in protest of their past support for the controversial Wall Street bank bailout. One of those activists, Canyon Clowdus, an Army veteran who is taking on third-term conservative Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas), has blasted the incumbent for making “a horrible mistake” in voting for Troubled Asset Relief Program. “He has put a financial burden on my four children that will amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars each,” Clowdus says of Conaway on his campaign website. “I think it was a bad, bad political decision,” Armey said of the 34 Senate Republicans and 91 House Republicans who voted for the TARP bailout, “and if you talk to grass-roots activists, it has become a political test for them.” Moylan agreed that TARP is “really kind of the flash point that started all of this.” “People are paying attention and are willing to hold these people accountable,” he said. For some, supporting insurgent campaigns or waging primary bids just isn’t a strong enough signal to send to a Republican Party that has abandoned core conservative policies. Erick Erickson, founder and editor of the influential conservative blog RedState, has urged tea party activists to “put down the protest signs” and stage takeovers of local Republican parties. “Grass-roots activists need to start infiltrating the party,” said Erickson. “The only way to start getting [the establishment] back is to start pounding them with every fist we have.” Read More Stories from POLITICO
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#57. To: christine (#51)
No reference indicating support of the Darter Snail? Meh. ;-)
Most of the hyperventilating from the left about the tea party movement is based on filtered disinformation. I'm certain that some in the GOP are trying to hijack the movement, but that's a far cry from the movement being an organ of the GOP. That is simply not true. I concur.
The part of them that you see above water looks fine and dandy. It's the larger mass unseen about them below the water I have issues with.
The Klamath Falls controversy predates the Tea Party movement by *years*. There are all types showing up here in central Ohio. From nice dressed upper middle class, to middle class to weird-scary to hippy. Nobody seems to care that I'm aware of. Keep in mind that many libertarians dress like hippies, so it's not surprising to see that kind of thing at a rally (here).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
SSRI = Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, prescribed to tens of millions of Americans allegedly to keep them from being depressed. Every now and then you'll hear of one of them going off his meds and literally going ballistic.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Snail darter, Percina tanasi OK, we can talk about it, but first understand it's a fish. It is no snail, it eats them.
Bad guess. I don't own a TV.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
The federal government is no different than it has been for my entire lifetime. It has never failed to grow from decade to decade, probably since shortly after the end of WW II. That's what's so amusing about this suddenly "super-pissed" cohort which has emerged over the last nine months. I didn't see any evidence of them during the previous eight years. Before that, they evidenced their "pissiness" over Bill and Hillary from time to time, but with not quite the same intensity level. It just seems to be that the only time the "pissed" rise to the level of a political movement is whenever the GOPers lose an election. There was one exception and that was the grassroots phenomenon which arose around Ross Perot's candidacy in the summer of '92, but then he was threatened by one of David Rockefeller's henchmen and quickly backed off
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I keep hearing that argument. The proper response is to ask a counter question: Using your assumption as a basis, it is thus fair to assume that prior to 1787, the French were completely happy with their monarchy? Prior to the Russian Revolution, just one year prior, the were the Russians completely happy with their Czar? Prior to 1775, were the Colonists completely happy with the King of England? Because using your assumption one would naturally have to draw these conclusions. The term "critical mass" is the real reason.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I also attended one in my area, which I discussed in my post 31. Consider these people the first awakening to the bi-partisan sell-out and EXTREMELY distrustful of ALL gubmint-types - INCLUDING Pubbies. That may be true in your area, but I have a hard time believing that in my part of the country because of the overwhelming reelection of big government Republicrat Roy Blunt and the very strong local backing he has for his upcoming run for the US Senate. People who are really interested in small government and are awakening to the sell-outs do not reelect people like Roy Blunt after his leadership role within the House of Representatives during the Bush administration. He co-wrote and sponsored the free drugs for geezers legislation. He pushed and voted for literally every big government piece of legislation dreamed up by the Republicrat party and was rewarded handsomely for his betrayal by being reelected. Now the same people who reelected him are protesting big government as tea baggers? really? At this point it's clear the Dims are going to steamroll us into a Fascist State if unchallenged, so unfortunately pseudo-pragmatic support of real conservative Pubbies is our only option - unless Sarah Palin runs Indy and really shakes things up. Otherwise, a messy CWII become a foregone conclusion. Considering that most of Obama's actions consist of continuing Bush Administration policies, what does that say about the Republicrat party? What real conservative pubbies are there in office? Very, very few and the ones there are are pariah's within the GOP establishment and are going exactly nowhere. We had a chance during this last election cycle to replace those who spent eight years stabbing us in the back and yet instead of replacing them with those who actually believe in their party platform, we rewarded the overwhelming majority of them with reelection, first in the Republicrat primaries and then again in the general elections. With all due respect, these are not the actions of people interested in small government.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
A good tea party poster: HYPOCRITS AND IDIOTS VOTE FOR INCUMBENTS
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
The Bill was passed in the HOR on Jul 29, 2009 and according to the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, it is still a very dangerous bill which will have extreme negative consequences upon the small farmers of the nation due to the vagueness of the wording and the FDA's ability to interpret this vagueness in whatever manner it chooses. As you know, the FDA has a history of being a bought and paid for organ of both the pharmaceutical and agri-business companies. And I supported Barack Obama because my worries with the direction generally of the U.S. With the exception of a couple of areas, I haven't been able to see much of a difference between the two or the direction the country is heading. It seems to me that Obamaphiles are so eager to get nationalized health care passed that they are willing to to overlook that which they complained most loudly about prior to the election, i.e, the loss of civil liberties and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of a sudden neither of these issues are important and supposed die hard groups like Code Pink are now even making weak excuses to justify them.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
REPUBLICANS/DEMOCRATS ARE TRAITORS AND IDIOTS THIRD PARTY OR SAME OLD CRAP. YOU DECIDE. END ALL FOREIGN AID. NOW. SAVE LIVES. SAVE MONEY. BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW. OBAMA = BUSH OLBERMANN = HANNITY DEMOCRATS/REPUBLICANS -- ONE CORRUPT CIRCUS
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Every day is a day in paradise for me. I'm blessed (and not by some witch or warlock). In fact my days get even better when socialists are exposed for what they are.
Well, what exactly and specifically would that be? Share it with us. And, do you disagree with any of the ten points in post #51?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
By the way, my comments to you were in no way meant as an attack. I wasn't attacking you at all. Attacking you would be calling you names. I've read what other have posted to you in the past and THAT is attacking you. While I have indeed lost my temper and responded to people in such a way, it is pretty rare and I do not believe I have ever done that to you, in this thread or any other. While I do throw a cuss word or two around, I try real hard not to attack people. Sometimes I fail. Most of the time I do not. I was merely pointing out to you what I consider to be your own hypocrisy.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
HYPOCRITS AND IDIOTS VOTE FOR INCUMBENTS I like it. On a related subject, a couple of days ago a friend of mine gave me a bumper sticker with one picture of Obama dressed as the joker and another picture of Bush dressed as the joker with an equal sign between them. It is sweet. I haven't put it on the car yet due to all the rain we've been having, but I can't wait to put it on!
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
Damn good one!!!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Isn't it though? LOL! He went to some bumper sticker company on the web that lets you make your own bumper stickers. He then bought a dozen of them and gave me one. I think it will be a hit to some and of course it will piss off the partisan members of the two party fraud who actually still try to delude themselves into believing that there is a dimes worth of difference between the two.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
No worries. Your post was highly appropriate and welcome. Thanks for it by the way.
My concern that it is a bait and switch action more concerned with database building was exacerbated by the undeniable evidence it is joined at the hip to the Palin group, Team Sarah that is trying to build a database of supporters for her to run on in 2012. I included the fake middle name on the Oath Keeper sign up, but not on the Palin one. Lo and behold if that middle name didn't appeared at Team Sarah though I had not provided it there as I did on Oath Keepers. The only place I had done that. There were other indicators, but that is one for example. I pay attention how and where they engage people on these sites, the security level they use to try to detect people like me, and other things. Looking at both sites I see obvious similarities in how the pages are built and their features. I also note that they paid attention as to how Barack Obama successfully used the Internet in his successful Presidential campaign and seek to emulate it. And don't be shocked at my ferreting. How else do you think I torpedoed Nader's attempt to get on the Oregon ballot the Bush v. Kerry election? By not knowing what I was doing when I investigated their operation? ;-D
Sort of like Barack Obama wherein we just got a darker Bush III.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Juan McOBush bump
i want one!
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
Socialism / Marxism = Fascism Crappitalism merged with World Socialism / Marxism = Globalism - Totalitarian New Communist World Order The usurpation of sovereignty if complete. "It is finished"...
But that doesn't mean the tea parties are fascist. They are about getting government to adhere to the Constitution plain and simple.
FERRET MIKE the commie freak said: Me, me, me, ... it's alllll about me, me me !!! Fairy Mike is sooooooooooooooo shunnable !!! based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" They should have known Ferret was "COUNTER Intelligence" ...
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
I don't think he is and despite our political differences I like Mike.
I once thought the same way as you regarding Mike. That was, until Obama proved to be the exact opposite of what he claimed to be or what America needs in a President. Unlike those supporters of Bush that failed to recognize him for the "communitarian" fascist that he was prior to (s)electing him, but upon determining this they spoke out against him, Mike continues to spout nonsense in support of the Obama puppet the evidence of his criminality be damned. I suppose Mike should be given the benefit of the doubt regarding his position with respect to Obama, but he claims to be intelligent at the same time, which is an absurdity. Of course, many voted for Bush twice and claimed to be intelligent as well. So maybe being critical of Mike is unfair, and voters in general should be exposed as idiots. In order for "voters" to explain their poor choices (which they generally are on both sides of the political coin) they must resort to age old expressions like "they've always been crooks" or "all politicians lie" "he/she was the lesser of two evils" ... I ask how long should those that are ill effected by the poor choices of voters take it or suffer the fraud condoned by others ? I was actually trying to make a joke about Mike being "counter" intelligence ... meaning stupid not a spy, even though he'd probably volunteer to spy/snitch on Obubba's opposition.
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
How did you get an account at FR? You were banned for life shortly after I signed up there in late 98. RimJob actually let you have an account again?
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo That's how I see it.
I don't think Jim Rob really cares who posts there. As long as no one complains you can go back.
OK, we can talk about it, but first understand it's a fish. It is no snail, it eats them. Then let's talk about it Professor... Is it your position that preserving the habitat of the Snail Darter is worth jeopardizing the standard of living and welfare of millions of human beings?
It just seems to be that the only time the "pissed" rise to the level of a political movement is whenever the GOPers lose an election. True - the gubmint has always grown - but NOT to the the extent of current magnitude in either numbers, control, or intrusion. You HAVE heard of "the straw that broke the camel's back"? I didn't see any evidence of them during the previous eight years. Before that, they evidenced their "pissiness" over Bill and Hillary from time to time, but with not quite the same intensity level. There was "pissiness" over both Bubba AND Dubya's policies by conservatives, but apparently you were asleep at the wheel. The Kenyan has been quite open about its socialist agenda - shall I assume you've been made aware of Janet Napolitano's infamous DHS "leak" as to who should be considered potential "domestic terrorists"? Moreover, have you been THAT oblivious to 0bama's socialist wealth redistribution agenda? Or perhaps you're onboard? Have you not noticed 0bama's clear assault on the Middle Class? OR ON AMERICA ITSELF?? ALL enforced by the 0bomba Administration. There was one exception and that was the grassroots phenomenon which arose around Ross Perot's candidacy in the summer of '92, but then he was threatened by one of David Rockefeller's henchmen and quickly backed off On that we agree...in part. With respect to the Tea Partiers and pissed off conservatives and even moderates about the never ending profligate spending of the Socialist Usurper, what you're seeing IS legit "Grass Roots" - though with no singular leader as of yet a la Perot.
The anti-Big Gubmint Outrage is "awakening" as I asserted and obviously not yet as widespread as it needs to be. BUT, it's growing. Either Blunt has a very weak Dim opponent or has merely played his cards right to a constituency that hasn't been hurt much yet by Big Gubmint policies. People who are really interested in small government and are awakening to the sell-outs do not reelect people like Roy Blunt after his leadership role within the House of Representatives during the Bush administration. He co-wrote and sponsored the free drugs for geezers legislation. He pushed and voted for literally every big government piece of legislation dreamed up by the Republicrat party and was rewarded handsomely for his betrayal by being reelected. Now the same people who reelected him are protesting big government as tea baggers? really? Firstly, you've clearly been watching too much Olbermann and MSNBC ("Teabaggers"??) Secondly, maybe Blount's constituency IS "geezers" and socialist-leaning moderates. Thirdly, maybe he's getting fed by the RNC. Considering that most of Obama's actions consist of continuing Bush Administration policies, what does that say about the Republicrat party? What real conservative pubbies are there in office? Very, very few and the ones there are are pariah's within the GOP establishment and are going exactly nowhere. WHO is defending the GOP? I agree - far too many of them promote federalism and should be shunned and rejected. But remember - the corrupt NWO-infested RNC controls the "right" GOP candidates to begin with, and NOT conservative pubbies. As to the assertion 0bama is merely an extension of Bush's Admin policies, uummm...NOT quite. NWO-tool Dubya may have jacked-up Statist policies, but 0bama's have flagrantly, openly, and obtrusively declared war on America to the point that NOTHING he does benefits the country, but rather overtly helps destroy it. We had a chance during this last election cycle to replace those who spent eight years stabbing us in the back and yet instead of replacing them with those who actually believe in their party platform, we rewarded the overwhelming majority of them with reelection, first in the Republicrat primaries and then again in the general elections. With all due respect, these are not the actions of people interested in small government. We had ZIP chance because the sheeple were still in the dark about the true intentions and agenda of most of the (R)s or as in the case of McStain, The Fix was in. The RINO-Globalist RNC leadership must be purged and made to walk the plank. THIS time around should be a different story, but then again the RNC may have already inserted too many RINOs into too many elections.
Yeah, but back during the klamath thing, he did care, no?
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Jim Rob has never cared. I knew this right after Klamath when the Sawgrass rebellion was taking shape. This was an offshoot of Klamath and he killed any property rights activism on the board in favor of re-electing Jeb Bush.
Add that "credential" to JR's killing off forum support for the Minutemen over Dubya Bush's "vigilante" comment at FR. Mercenary GOP Shill.
Which Minutemen? There is more than one group and one well known one was nothing but a scam.
you define that as rightwing? i don't understand how any true patriotic American could not be fully supportive of the OathKeepers.
#58. To: SonOfLiberty (#52)
#59. To: SonOfLiberty (#54)
#60. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
#61. To: SonOfLiberty (#37)
#62. To: Liberator (#57)
"No reference indicating support of the Darter Snail?"
#63. To: Liberator (#41)
I'm going to guess you are a huge fan of American Idol and Survivor.
#64. To: Liberator (#38)
#65. To: Sam Houston (#64)
#66. To: Liberator (#34)
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I disagree having attended one.
#67. To: Hayek Fan (#66)
#68. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
But the bill is not currently as bad as you say.
#69. To: All (#67)
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#70. To: Ferret Mike (#47)
#71. To: Ferret Mike (#59)
(Edited)
It's the larger mass unseen about them below the water
#72. To: Ferret Mike (#40)
Ironic you should try to attack on this front.
#73. To: wbales (#67)
A good tea party poster:
#74. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
with one picture of Obama dressed as the joker and another picture of Bush dressed as the joker with an equal sign between them.
#75. To: wbales (#74)
Damn good one!!!!
#76. To: Hayek Fan (#72)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#70)
Greater Good bump
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#78. To: wbales (#71)
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#79. To: Ferret Mike (#78)
My concern that it is a bait and switch action
#80. To: wbales (#79)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#81. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
#82. To: wbales (#79)
Sort of like Barack Obama wherein we just got a darker Bush III.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#83. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Though I'm here to tell you, when I went to the rally at one of the Federal Court Houses in Eugene during the Klamath Water controversy, even though I was an openly myself account holder at Free Republic, they shunned me heavily based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" until I complained and they had to change it.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#84. To: farmfriend (#83)
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Though I'm here to tell you, when I went to the rally at one of the Federal Court Houses in Eugene during the Klamath Water controversy, even though I was an openly myself account holder at Free Republic, they shunned me heavily based on my very counter culture appearance, and even posted a picture in the FR piece on it of me calling me a "suspected Earth liberation Front member" until I complained and they had to change it.
#85. To: noone222 (#84)
They should have known Ferret was "COUNTER Intelligence" ...
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#86. To: farmfriend (#85)
I don't think he is and despite our political differences I like Mike.
#87. To: Ferret Mike (#56)
Let me get this straight.
#88. To: noone222 (#86)
and voters in general should be exposed as idiots.
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#89. To: Critter (#87)
How did you get an account at FR? You were banned for life shortly after I signed up there in late 98. RimJob actually let you have an account again?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#90. To: Ferret Mike (#62)
Snail darter, Percina tanasi
#91. To: Sam Houston (#64)
The federal government is no different than it has been for my entire lifetime. It has never failed to grow from decade to decade, probably since shortly after the end of WW II. That's what's so amusing about this suddenly "super-pissed" cohort which has emerged over the last nine months.
#92. To: Hayek Fan (#66)
I have a hard time believing that [awakening to the bi-partisan sell-out and EXTREMELY distrustful of ALL gubmint-types - INCLUDING Pubbies] in my part of the country because of the overwhelming reelection of big government Republicrat Roy Blunt and the very strong local backing he has for his upcoming run for the US Senate.
#93. To: farmfriend (#89)
Let me get this straight.
#94. To: Critter (#93)
Yeah, but back during the klamath thing, he did care, no?
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
#95. To: farmfriend, Critter (#94)
Jim Rob has never cared. I knew this right after Klamath when the Sawgrass rebellion was taking shape. This was an offshoot of Klamath and he killed any property rights activism on the board in favor of re-electing Jeb Bush.
#96. To: Liberator, critter (#95)
JR's killing off forum support for the Minutemen
"If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791
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