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Title: The state owns the rights to body parts of people who are dead or in certain hopeless conditions, and it can remove their organs without asking anyone's permission.
Source: WND
URL Source: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112757
Published: Oct 12, 2009
Author: Aaron Klein
Post Date: 2009-10-13 10:41:20 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 289
Comments: 35

TEL AVIV – President Obama 's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.

Cass Sunstein also has strongly pushed for the removal of organs from deceased individuals who did not explicitly consent to becoming organ donors.

In his 2008 book, "Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth and Happiness," Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler discussed multiple legal scenarios regarding organ donation . One possibility presented in the book, termed by Sunstein as "routine removal," posits that "the state owns the rights to body parts of people who are dead or in certain hopeless conditions, and it can remove their organs without asking anyone's permission."

"Though it may sound grotesque, routine removal is not impossible to defend," wrote Sunstein. "In theory, it would save lives, and it would do so without intruding on anyone who has any prospect for life."

Sunstein continued: "Although this approach is not used comprehensively by any state, many states do use the rule for corneas (which can be transplanted to give some blind patients sight). In some states, medical examiners performing autopsies are permitted to remove corneas without asking anyone's permission."

Sunstein's example of medical examiners removing corneas, however, applies only to patients who are already declared deceased.

After defending the position, Sunstein conceded the "routine removal" approach "violates a generally accepted principle, which is that within broad limits, individuals should be able to decide what is to be done with and to their bodies."

Still, Sunstein did not add that the removal of organs from a living individual should be banned.

Also in the same book, CNS News previously noted Sunstein argued for removing organs from deceased patients who are not registered as organ donors, a policy not without precedent. Spain and some European Union countries have been debating accepting a law of implied consent.

Writes Sunstein: "A policy that can pass libertarian muster by our standards is called presumed consent."

"Presumed consent preserves freedom of choice, but it is different from explicit consent because it shifts the default rule. Under this policy, all citizens would be presumed to be consenting donors, but they would have the opportunity to register their unwillingness to donate, and they could do so easily. We want to underline the word easily, because the harder it is to register your unwillingness to participate, the less libertarian the policy becomes."

Sunstein continues: "Although presumed consent is an extremely effective way to increase the supply of organs available for transplant, it may not be an easy sell politically. Some will object to the idea of 'presuming' anything when it comes to such a sensitive matter. We are not sure that these objections are convincing, but this is surely a domain in which forced choosing, or what is referred to in this domain as mandated choice, has considerable appeal."

Sunstein advocates making it mandatory for all citizens to register either as an organ donor or as unwilling to donate their organs.

"Mandated choice could be implemented through a simple addition to the driver's license registration scheme used in many states. With mandated choice, renewal of your driver's license would be accompanied by a requirement that you check a box stating your organ donation preferences. Your application would not be accepted unless you had checked one of the boxes. The options might include 'yes, willing to donate' and 'no, unwilling to donate.'"

Government must fund abortion

Sunstein is not shy about his view concerning rights to life or abortion.

WND reported that in his 1993 book, "The Partial Constitution," Sunstein argued the government should be required to fund abortion in cases such as rape or incest.

"I have argued that the Constitution ... forbids government from refusing to pay the expenses of abortion in cases of rape or incest, at least if government pays for childbirth in such cases," Sunstein wrote.

The Obama czar asserts that funding only childbirth but not abortion "has the precise consequence of turning women into involuntary incubators."

Sunstein argues that refusing to fund abortion "would require poor women to be breeders," while co-opting women's bodies "in the service of third parties" – referring to fetuses.

Sunstein wrote he has no problem with forcing taxpayers to fund abortions even if they morally object to their money being used for such a purpose.

He wrote: "There would be no tension with the establishment clause if people with religious or other objections were forced to pay for that procedure (abortion). Indeed, taxpayers are often forced to pay for things – national defense, welfare, certain forms of art, and others – to which they have powerful moral and even religious objections."

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#5. To: Hayek Fan (#0)

Writes Sunstein: "A policy that can pass libertarian muster by our standards is called presumed consent."

Do these people use any words correctly?

Christ almighty, that's the exact opposite of libertarian muster. Libertarian muster would include actual consent, not some bureaucrat assuming consent on your behalf where no wishes were expressed by you to affirm their assumption.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-10-13   11:04:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

Do these people use any words correctly?

He's a lawyer and as such has been trained in the twisting of words to mean whatever it is he wants them to mean. You know, like the Democans are liberal and the Republicrats are conservative. Both liberal and conservative now mean the same thing: Leviathan, nanny state government.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-13   11:15:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Hayek Fan (#8)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-10-13   12:48:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn, Elliote Jackalope (#14) (Edited)

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder...

by the way, Elliote Jackalope stole that line from me...

Did he? He didn't mention that when I asked him if I could use it as a tagline. I will make the appropriate changes.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-14   12:02:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Hayek Fan (#17)

Wait a minute. I do not recall "stealing" that line from ghostdog. Can we do a look back in the archives to see who came up with that first? I make a point of NOT using other people's work without proper attribution. If I am, in fact, wrong about this then I want to know.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-10-14   12:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Elliott Jackalope, ghostdogtxn (#18) (Edited)

Wait a minute. I do not recall "stealing" that line from ghostdog. Can we do a look back in the archives to see who came up with that first? I make a point of NOT using other people's work without proper attribution. If I am, in fact, wrong about this then I want to know.

That is between you and ghostdogtxn. I'm not making any accusations at all. Other than to search through every single post you and ghostdogtxn have ever made, which I am not up to doing, I have no idea how to see who came up with the quote first.

I tell you what, I will attribute the quote to both of you.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-14   12:19:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Hayek Fan, ghostdogtxn, Elliott Jackalope (#19)

A DB search shows that the first occurrence of the exact quote

"The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder"
here on 4um is in

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=91418, comment #5 & 6 by Elliott Jackalope & Hayek Fan respectively.

The search was case insensitive, but any spelling differences on any earlier postings would not turn up a match.

Pinguinite  posted on  2009-10-14   13:46:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Pinguinite (#22)

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2009-10-14   14:44:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: ghostdogtxn, Pinguinite, Hayek Fan (#25)

I was pretty sure that I did, in fact come up with that quote, and here's why: I came up with a really good idea a couple of decades ago. I put together a team of engineers, and we worked on securing funding while pooling our resources to build a prototype. In the process we ended up talking with certain "venture capital" people, and ended up doing "due diligence" with them. They raked us over the coals for weeks, picking our brains for every single bit of information they could, then told us they "were not interested".

Three months later they publicly announced the creation of a new company, doing exactly what we were trying to do. We got to spend the next five years pursuing the matter in court. In the process we discovered that they had the advantage over us every single step of the way during those proceedings. Eventually we were quite literally forced by the courts to accept a truly miserly settlement (compared to the value of what was taken from us) and they got to keep what they stole.

Imagine being in a position where you go to rob a bank, and get away with 100,000 dollars. You get caught, and as your "punishment" you are told by the courts to repay ten dollars and you get to keep the rest. That's roughly comparable to what was done to us. To this day I can't even think about it too much without getting extremely upset. What really sucked was not how badly we were ripped off by the wealthy and well-connected, the worst part of it all was how routine it all is. Believe me, that quote came at a very high price.

Anyways, this is why I go out of my way to not do to others what was done to me in any way whatsoever, and also why I tend to get rather defensive and proactive whenever anyone accuses me of doing any kind of intellectual property theft of any kind whatsoever.

Hayek Fan, you can go back to using that quote with the proper attribution, which is to me. Neil, thank you very much for sorting this out. Ghostdog, apology accepted. Please do not ever accuse me of taking anything ever again without being darn sure about it.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-10-14 16:55:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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