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Title: Thousands attend dueling rallies at Crawford
Source: MSNBC
URL Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9075811/
Published: Aug 28, 2005
Author: MSNBC News Services
Post Date: 2005-08-28 02:14:01 by robin
Keywords: Thousands, Crawford, dueling
Views: 320
Comments: 14

Thousands attend dueling rallies at Crawford
Bush supporters hold rally to counter Cindy Sheehan's anti-war vigil

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 1:06 a.m. ET Aug. 28, 2005

CRAWFORD, Texas - Thousands of Iraq war supporters and protesters held competing rallies Saturday outside President Bush's Texas ranch as he warned Americans to brace for additional sacrifice in Iraq.

With almost 1,900 U.S. troops killed in the Iraq war, Bush's job approval rating has plummeted to new lows. He is under increasing pressure from critics to finish training a new Iraqi security force and bring the soldiers home.

But in his weekly radio address, Bush acknowledged there was more work ahead for American soldiers in Iraq.

"Our efforts in Iraq and the broader Middle East will require more time, more sacrifice and continued resolve," said Bush, who has spent most of August on vacation at his 1,600- acre ranch.

Camp Casey movement
Cindy Sheehan, whose son Casey was killed in Iraq last year and has camped outside Bush's ranch seeking a second meeting with him to press for the withdrawal of troops, said her efforts would ultimately lead to the end of the war in Iraq.

"I know that the Camp Casey movement is going to end the war in Iraq," she said after folk singer Joan Baez led supporters in singing "Amazing Grace." Rally organizers estimated the crowd in the sweltering heat was more than 2,000, although it appeared smaller.

"How many more (soldiers) are you willing to sacrifice before you say enough is enough? How many more are we willing to sacrifice for lies and deception and bullcrap?" Sheehan asked, followed by chants of "Not one more!"

She plans to briefly join a three-week bus tour starting late next week to press her message with lawmakers.

Bush has said withdrawing the troops now would embolden insurgents who have sought to derail the drafting of a constitution with attacks on U.S. and Iraqi security forces.

"As Iraqis stand up, Americans will stand down," Bush said. "And when Iraqi forces can defend their freedom by taking more and more of the fight to the enemy, our troops will come home with the honor they have earned."

Pro-Bush, anti-Cindy
Across town in Crawford, other parents of soldiers who are serving or have died in Iraq countered Sheehan with their own raucous rally that started with a prayer.

The pro-Bush caravan was coordinated by Move America Forward, a group led by former California Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian and Republican strategist Sal Russo.

Organizer Howard Kaloogian accused Sheehan of "giving hope and encouragement to our enemies."

The crowd, which organizers said topped 3,000 but appeared closer to 1,500, chanted "Cindy, Go Home" and compared her to Jane Fonda, whose visit to a North Vietnamese gun site in 1972 earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane."

"Cindy-Hanoi Jane," read one of the signs at the rally.

A few Bush supporters went to the edge of the anti-war camp on Saturday, trying to remove some of the hundreds of white crosses bearing fallen soldiers’ names. They had a list from families who did not want their sons’ or daughters’ names associated with Sheehan’s group.
Sheriff’s deputies said they could remove the name tags but not the crosses, so the group removed a few tags and left without incident.

In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters, cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs. A police officer rushed the group to safety.

Bush called a key Shiite leader this week to press for a deal to finish Iraq's constitution, a goal seen as a step toward a more-stable Iraq that would allow U.S. soldiers to eventually withdraw.

Negotiations on a constitution have been deadlocked for weeks but are continuing.

"What is important is that Iraqis are now addressing these issues through debate and discussion -- not at the barrel of a gun," Bush said.

Bush's message was part of renewed push to counter critics of his Iraq war policy. But the latest Gallup poll showed that just two in five Americans approved of the job he was doing while 56 percent disapproved of his performance.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

The crowd, which organizers said topped 3,000 but appeared closer to 1,500, chanted "Cindy, Go Home" and compared her to Jane Fonda, whose visit to a North Vietnamese gun site in 1972 earned her the nickname "Hanoi Jane."

Hey, they are only off by 100%, just like Bush was with the WMD in Iraq. Freepers claim 3000+, must be the new Bush math.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-28   2:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters, cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs. A police officer rushed the group to safety.

So who were these people then? And which group did the police lead to saftey?

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-28   2:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

A few Bush supporters went to the edge of the anti-war camp on Saturday, trying to remove some of the hundreds of white crosses bearing fallen soldiers’ names. They had a list from families who did not want their sons’ or daughters’ names associated with Sheehan’s group. Sheriff’s deputies said they could remove the name tags but not the crosses, so the group removed a few tags and left without incident.

In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters, cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs. A police officer rushed the group to safety.

I see that the "defenders of morality" are acting in their usual civilized manner.

alpowolf  posted on  2005-08-28   6:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

In one heated moment, members of the pro-Bush crowd turned on what they mistakenly thought were a group of anti-war protesters, cursing them, threatening them and tearing down their signs. A police officer rushed the group to safety.

We brought civil war to Iraq and now it's coming to our shores. Thank goodness Bush is a uniter, not a divider.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-28   6:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

"Painfully aware as I am that no camp in America's endless verbal war is free of sin, I have had to cross-examine myself in light of the all-out assault from the right on Cindy Sheehan."

"From the talk shows to the columns to those downright chilling blogs, Bush loyalists who've never come within a country mile of a combat zone have carpet- bombed a bereaved mother whose worst offense is embarrassing the president about a supreme sacrifice when he's trying to relax."

Sheehan as food for thought

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2005-08-28   8:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Arete (#5)

To pick at the consistency or judiciousness of her remarks when she is challenging a foreign policy that is built upon non sequiturs and falsehoods is nothing short of desperate.

Good article - thanks for the linkage.

Lod  posted on  2005-08-28   10:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Arete (#5)

"Cindy-Hanoi Jane," read one of the signs at the rally.

Dear God, Jane Fonda never lost a son to a war based on lies. There's no low low enough for these heartless creeps to stoop.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-28   10:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Arete (#5)

It is not as if Sheehan or her supporters should be surprised. Suffering, along with certified valor, did not spare John McCain, John Kerry or Max Cleland from ruthless personal assaults when those men inconvenienced the Bush forces; and indeed no critic of this commander-in-chief is afforded noncombatant status as long as he or she hits the media radar. And it's not principle, it's politics; you can get away with murder, rhetorically speaking, if you're a useful televangelist.

More from "Sheehan as food for thought." Yep, always politics over principle with these bushies.

If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home.

Here Without You

christine  posted on  2005-08-28   10:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#7)

Dear God, Jane Fonda never lost a son to a war based on lies. There's no low low enough for these heartless creeps to stoop.

And Condy never propped herself up in an AA gun and smiled for the cameras in a nation the US was at war with.

But the Bots are lost in the Vietnam war. Thinking if they can crush enough disent, that will somehow counter-balance the idiocy of the Generals and politicans. 2nd verse, same as the first.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2005-08-28   10:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

Condy

Edit: Cindy.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2005-08-28   11:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Arete (#5)

Painfully aware as I am that no camp in America's endless verbal war is free of sin, I have had to cross-examine myself in light of the all-out assault from the right on Cindy Sheehan."

"From the talk shows to the columns to those downright chilling blogs, Bush loyalists who've never come within a country mile of a combat zone have carpet- bombed a bereaved mother whose worst offense is embarrassing the president about a supreme sacrifice when he's trying to relax."

Sheehan as food for thought

Richard W.

EXCELLENT COMMENTARY~!!

Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...

siagiah  posted on  2005-08-28   11:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Arete, All (#5)

Would I dismiss a Gold Star mother as a shill or a kook for speaking out in favor of staying the course?

Good article, thanks.

Sheehan as food for thought

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-28   11:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#7)

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-28   15:39:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#7)

"Each man must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn't." - Mark Twain -

Victory and Energy cartoon animations.

robin  posted on  2005-08-28   15:40:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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