#94. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, farmfriend, all (#90)
However, not tonight - I'm pooped. I have been doing a stem to stern cleaning of my humble pad and rearranging everything to be more efficient and create more space.
Organization is the key to efficiency.
Good night.
buckeroo, if I thought it would be productive I'd post some evidence to you.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
... if I thought it would be productive I'd post some evidence to you.
That must be another "considered opinion" right here on this very forum. This is a totally incredible experience that is causing my entire being to say, "yea".
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
I think he meant they said it negated the 1/6 gravity of the moon.
The back packs weighed approx. 100 pounds which would have felt like 16 2/3 pounds on the moon. But, their enitre body weight would have felt like only 1/6 of that on Earth enabling a 200 pound man to feel like a 33 pound man on the moon with the same amount of strength. So, they should have been able to jump very high if they wanted too. They should have been able to push themselves back up with very little effort if they fell down without even using their legs. But, of course they couldn't do that becasue they were on Earth.
But, of course they couldn't do that becasue they were on Earth.
And my thought is that no, because they (and they were), in addition to the 100 lb back packs, in highly constrictive - pondorous even, pressure suits. Not gym shorts. I do so understand your skeptcticism. Seeins as the gov has been so quick to lie on many issues.
In my POV, yes the gov. needs a internal revolution, an external revolution if that doesn't work, but for all that the US put several ships on the moon and Kudos for us for that accomplishment.
Kennedy was a coverup - the Moon landing was not.
Wheather or not it was worth it is a different ?. The US spent itself to death in Vietnam during this same time.
Some historians say that the US moon shot shocked the world that the USA could have achieved such a race remarkable event, as in human race, event- that it was worth the billions invested.
I don't know - IIRC the US was fighting a flawed war in Vietnam at the time.
The evidence says the moon landings were fake. It took me a long time to accept this, but I can't ignore the evidence anymore. No man went to the moon, then, or since then.
#104. To: wudidiz, buckeroo, farmfriend, all (#94)
Organization is the key to efficiency.
Not only that we people are curious creatures in that we feel more comfortable in an orderly environment and when it is disorderly seek to bring order - except for those poor individuals who are pscyotic. I find that I am more productive in an orderly environment simply because it eliminates the dissonance of disorder. It creates a feeling of stability.
buckeroo, if I thought it would be productive I'd post some evidence to you.
Concur. Bucky is just interested in being obstreperous. Evidence is merely a distraction to be ignored. It conflicts with his preferred world view and so makes his head hurt. He doesn't want to be confused with the facts.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
He [buckeroo] doesn't want to be confused with the facts.
I haven't had an opportunity to view your "considered opinion" just yet. When is this information going to be made publick beyond the fact that you think the moon landings were faked?
Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.
No, it is you who hate science because it exposes your lies. Science is not about lies dude. You know nothing about science, you just know how to lie.
You are saying this to a working scientist in his own field with over 30 years of experience. Something a friend of mine used to post comes to mind. You fit this bill in total.
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"In the history of the world, only a tiny fraction of all the people who ever lived have had the opportunity to ask highly qualified scientists direct questions, and learn from their wisdom. Happily, because of the internet, it was possible for people from all walks of life to converse directly with all sorts of scientific experts; we have had physicists, microbiologists, mathematicians, astronomers, and chemists, to specify but a few, roaming these threads, and eager to explain what they know and how they know it to virtually anyone willing to ask an intelligent question. But there is another segment of people on these threads who, instead of asking these learned folks intelligent questions and thus expanding their knowledge and understanding, insist instead upon bludgeoning them with their ignorance, and questioning the patriotism, honesty, and intellect of people who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific knowledge.
I submit that such people are not here to learn anything, but are in fact interested in quite the opposite. I submit they are here to interfere with the dissemination of scientific knowledge that they find offensive. They don't want other people to ask the experts questions and learn from them; no, they are here to attack the experts and cast doubt upon their wisdom, in the desperate hope that others will turn away and not listen to them.
IMHO that is why the same people show up over and over again parroting the same refuted diatribes and misinformation, and spewing the same bogus out-of-context quotes designed specifically to disrupt the dissemination of scientific knowledge. That's why the same people show up over and over again misrepresenting what scientific theories and laws are, despite having had it explained to them 1720th time; they are here to instill confusion and spread their ignorance, not to disseminate knowledge.
The experts [who were once] here on these threads ought to be revered and thanked for sharing with us their insights and explanations of the natural world around us; instead scorn is heaped upon them and their knowledge by the belligerently ignorant. I submit that these purveyors of unknowledge should be treated for the intellectual disruptors that they are. They stare stared the best opportunity any of us will ever have to gain more insight and understanding in the eye, and spit spat in the faces of those who offer and have the knowledge to help make that a reality.
Behold, I give you the belligerently ignorant, the intellectual Luddites of our time. Know them for the anti-knowledge disruptors they are."
I have seen a lot of "evidence" that is easily explained by not so common knowledge of space physics, which I am not an expert in in any means, but do have a little understanding of.
I have looked at all the contrary evidence against a moon landing and have found the physics wanting.
The US put a number of men on the moon, it was a huge acheviment, so far a nearly worthless endeavor but a huge Hoo Haa for the US.
#114. To: Dr_Tron, Original_Intent, Cynicom, Tom007, RIckyJ, christine, Itistoolate, all (#109)
Scientists in general (many - not all) have lied (intentionally) or been dishonest about countless things. Independant critical thinkers are wise to this and much credibility has been lost on the part of Scientists. This is not the fault of the independant thinkers in general.
I'd write more, but I think you get the gist.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Scientists in general (many - not all) have lied (intentionally) or been dishonest about countless things.
You are not talking to one of those.
"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791
Any human looking for anything beyond earned respect has a character flaw, likewise any human revering another human has a character flaw. The lesser man is the one that reveres.
Fear, love, hate and respect are totally normal human traits, inherent to all of us, reverence is not, it is the result of ones own weakness, whether giving or desiring.
Fear, love, hate and respect are totally normal human traits, inherent to all of us, reverence is not, it is the result of ones own weakness, whether giving or desiring.
I am not going to continue to argue for or against someone who is not here.
However, my post stands on its own merit. You can nitpick a single word out of it all you want but the general gist is still valid.
You can nitpick a single word out of it all you want but the general gist is still valid.
Your entire post is carried by one word...revere...
On it lies your entire argument foundation.
The word revere has always been known for its negative connotation, one of human weakness, another is the word idolize, again not a human trait.
Seekers of such, fortunately are few, givers are legion. Earned respect, voluntarily given is one thing, universal respect for a title, position etc is yet another human failing.
One does his best, accepts what is given, to go forth seeking is shameful.
What about Global warming for instance? Nasa has some things to say about that.
Global warming is occurring. The cause OTOH is the sticky wicket. There are natural cyclical variations in the Earth's mean temperature over long periods of time.
Will we see another ice age? IMHO, absolutely; in our lifetimes - nope.
Is global warming the dire threat looming over us and assuring that we are doomed? Again IMHO (and this is a laymans view - I am not nor have ever been a climate scientist) we are not.
Over my slightly less than 60 odd years of existing on this planet, I have seen many predictions of looming disasters. E.g., Y2K, nuclear war, overpopulation, mass starvation, meteors, comets, cats and dogs sleeping together, etc.
Is global warming an issue we need to look at rationally? - Yes. Run around like Chicken Little? -No.
Why did the hammer and feather take twice as long to hit the deck as the bag that fell in the first vid? And from approx the same height?
I looked at both vids very carefully. "G" appears to be the same for both events. One had already accelerated by the time we started counting (i.e. bounced out. And the other accelerated from a standstill. slow the vids down and look at the two falls. You will see what I am saying.
Scientists in general (many - not all) have lied (intentionally) or been dishonest about countless things.
"Scientists" have even lied about being scientists to make a buck. You will find money is more important to many so-called scientists than the truth. Of course in many professions it is the same way. The buck means more than integrity to most. NASA is a joke, they killed Grissom, a true astronaut and lover of science, not a actor like Armstrong and the rest that claimed to land on the moon, just to make money. More and more are realizing the NASA landings on the moon were faked. You just don't lose original footage of such an event. You copy the heck out of it and store the originals in a fort knox type facility. They were on Earth, where I don't know and don't care. The bag gave them away 100%.
The truth hurts doesn't it. It shouldn't for you though, because you tend to ignore it when there is no money in it for you. You are a pitiful little NASA apologist that lies for a few peunuts they cast your way. You are lowest of the low, a defender of the elite for practically nothing. Even the elite laugh at you.
Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to for me to put a finger on it. Hard to ascertain what to believe about the moon landing at this point. Makes my brain hurt.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to for me to put a finger on it. Hard to ascertain what to believe about the moon landing at this point. Makes my brain hurt.
that's my feeling at this point. the loss of the "original" film is very, very, very suspicious.
does anyone know if there is film showing the lunar module reconnecting to the mothership to get the astronauts back to earth?
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
What aim does the US government have in fooling the people about the space program?
I believe they did it (the hoax) to beat the Russians-demoralize them. In terms of keeping it secret really no problem because the astronuts were all ex servicemen officers. Handpicked men who would keep a secret because of national security. These men were the cream of the crop...men with excpetional ideals.
The stealth fighter was being assembled in the late 70's and not announced to the public until the early 1990's. How did they keep all those 1000's of citizen assembly line workers quiet???
If the US came out now and said the moon landing was fake the credibility of our gov't would be nill--might actually start a revolution within the country.
Hence the Nasa comment that we will not be able to go back to the moon for another 15-20 years.
My opinion on the moon landing?? 65-70% we went there. 30-35% I have some doubt- not sure.I was at 100% at one time but seeing what my gov't can do or would do makes me unsure at this point.