The bag is a sort of a rucksack attached to one of the astronaut's spacesuit, so any jiggling of the back jiggles his spacesuit and what you are hearing is the rattling of his spacesuit fabric via his own helmet's microphone.
True, and see post 7 about the dust.
This video convinces me more that they were indeed on the moon.
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
This video convinces me more that they were indeed on the moon.
What I don't understand is we first went to the moon in 9 years...now Nasa say's it will be 15-20 years before we can go back?? Heck all the R&D is done why so long?? Heck dust off the old Saturn 5 blueprints and just build another and throw some new computers on it and go.
The bag is a sort of a rucksack attached to one of the astronaut's spacesuit, so any jiggling of the back jiggles his spacesuit and what you are hearing is the rattling of his spacesuit fabric via his own helmet's microphone.
No that is not the case here. Even after he gets the bag off and he starts to open it you can hear it clearly. That is not a space suit making that noise or you would hear it every time they moved and especially when they fell down. That was a distinct noise created by a bag, not a spacesuit.
Second, in order to simulate 1/6 gravity, the recording would have had to be done in slow motion, and the audio would have been voiced over at normal speed. The ambient sounds from suit action and so forth sound completely natural to me and coordinate well with the voices.
I have no dog in this fight except insofar as the propagation of these sorts of stories generates the impression that all unconventional stories on the internet are out there in La-La Land.
This video convinces me more that they were indeed on the moon.
I don't see how. NASA themselves said that the Lunar landing module's thrusters were not heard due to there being no atmosphere on the moon. That is despite the fact that they would have created much more vibrations in their spacesuits than a simple rustling of a bag would. Yet nothing was heard from them. But the bag you can hear loud and clear. I think you are not looking at this video with a critical eye, or you don't understand why it is this couldn't be made on the moon.
The bag has given away that they are not on the moon.
Sorry but the microphones contained within the spacesuits picked upped the vibrations as sound; the microphones are not outside the spacesuits in other words.
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Sorry but the microphones contained within the spacesuits picked upped the vibrations as sound; the microphones are not outside the spacesuits in other words.
Sorry, but the thrusters of the lunar module produced much more vibrations, yet they made no sound according to NASA. I told you the microphones are by their mouths, why you think the microphones are outside the suit is beyond me.
Ricky - Since you are so close to GOD, can you ask him to help you accurately read posts on the Internet? I sense you either have a condition with myopia or maybe Benign Fasciculation Syndrome.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
#19. To: RickyJ, PaulCJ, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Lod, all (#5)
Let's go back to the moon and find out.
That would prove nothing other than the fact that it is possible for man to go to the moon. It would not prove man actually went to the moon in 1969. The recent "lost" original moon footage made me think something is very wrong at NASA. I checked it out further and now I am covinced they faked the whole thing.
I think the one possibility that gets overlooked is that both are TRUE
Yes we did go to the Moon.
And Yes some of the video footage released to the public is fake.
But why both?
If they went to the moon why not release the footage taken there and eliminate the possibility that someone would catch on?
It finally hit me why. There was something, or things, which the elites running the show did now want people to see e.g., that there are surface structures, artificial constructed structures, on the moon. This recognition did not occur to me overnight and is the result of lots of little pieces of information that began to come together much as the picture in jigsaw puzzles forms - piece by piece - and you can generally get a good idea of the puzzle picture long before all the pieces are assembled. Some of the details might be yet missing but you know what the picture is about.
The direction that I come from this goes back, again, to my interest in Archaeology and the awareness of what Michael Cremo (co-author of "Forbidden Archaeology") calls the "Knowledge Filter". The way the Knowledge Filter works is that data, evidence, which does not fit the popular, and officially preferred, theories of human origins and the history of civilization, as taught in colleges and universities, is discarded, derided, or ignored.
Then take into account "The Brookings Report" which was generated for NASA back in 1959-1961 which had as one of its key conclusions that the discovery of artifacts from an advanced civilization would be very disruptive to our current society - that knowledge and awareness of such would upset a lot of apple carts and possibly cause an inferiority complex among scientists in particular.
Back in the 1990's Richard Hoagland did a presentation at the U.N. which was videoed, and which I have a copy of, wherein he demonstrated several things:
1. That there appear to be remnants of ancient structures on the moon - verrrrrrry ancient, and he has the photographs (gotten directly from NASA's own archives and through some of his "contacts" at NASA).
2. Some of the photos appear to have been "adjusted" to remove "inconvenient" details.
3. The photos appear to show some very LARGE structures - reminiscent of Paolo Solari's "Arcology" concept - massive structures that are an entire city in one building.
4. NASA has lied, and lied repeatedly, about what they have found and, at the top, acted to bottle up the information and prevent it from becoming public.
So, rhetorical question, if you had structures that you wanted to investigate with the moon landings, but did not want awareness and knowledge of them loose into the public mind, what might you do to accomplish both goals?
Produce phony films purporting to be the moon, for public consumption, while keeping the films of "inconvenient" evidence of a prior civilization hidden. The "why" again goes back to the massive, and pervasive, Psychiatric manipulation of what the general public is allowed to "know" and thus are able to see, think, and talk about. It helps to create the hive-like society being created if people are kept, generally, ignorant and unaware of things which raise questions as to who and what we are, and ultimately may have come from. If you want an ant hive society you don't want the ants questioning the hive.
There is a lot more to this but that's the "thumbnail"
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Second, in order to simulate 1/6 gravity, the recording would have had to be done in slow motion, and the audio would have been voiced over at normal speed. The ambient sounds from suit action and so forth sound completely natural to me and coordinate well with the voices.
I have no dog in this fight except insofar as the propagation of these sorts of stories generates the impression that all unconventional stories on the internet are out there in La-La Land.
See my above, but the short answer is that we had both valid and invalid staged footage. Where the footage did not show "things" we are not supposed to see the originals have been released. Where they did show things, and to prevent the possiblity, staged footage was shot and released.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
This video convinces me more that they were indeed on the moon.
What I don't understand is we first went to the moon in 9 years...now Nasa say's it will be 15-20 years before we can go back?? Heck all the R&D is done why so long?? Heck dust off the old Saturn 5 blueprints and just build another and throw some new computers on it and go.
Not only that - we HAD other Saturn V components that could have been assembled into further missions - they were destroyed.
The short answer, along with my reasoning why I believe it to be the case, is that someone (or one's):
A. Do NOT want us venturing back to the moon.
B. We have already been back via the "Black Space Program" of which little tiny snippets have leaked to suggest very strongly that one exists.
Again it goes back to controlling information and thus controlling what people think or can even think about.
As I have commented before the scale of the mind/information control in our current society is simply beyond comprehension for most people - they have been conditioned not to look, ask, or question. This particularly so among those under 40. The control of the schools, and there curriculum, was really only cemented into place in the early to mid 70's.
Going back to other pieces in the puzzle - it is likely that we have had the means to reach the moon, and very likely Mars and the outer planets, since the late 70's. Again it is conjecture based on little snippets I've picked up over time so if asked to prove the conclusion I cannot, but I can justify it.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
And Yes some of the video footage released to the public is fake.
You are a nut_case.
Because someone ventures an opinion, based on evidence, with which you disagree does not make them a "nut case".
It does suggest though that you are a thoroughly mind controlled robot incapable of sifting through the evidence and thinking for yourself.
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"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
And Yes some of the video footage released to the public is fake.
Considering the pictures we have got through probes and the robots on Mars I don't think anyone really doubts we have got machines there. But getting live people there is a different story and much more difficult considering the raidiation they would have to been subjected to in the very lightly shielded spacecraft and space suits. Alluminum would actually increase the radiation according to experts so it wasn't a shield at all, but rather an amplifier of radiation.
As far as there being structures on the moon. I don't know about that and see no reason for that to be the case. There could be structures there, but I see no evidence of that anywhere. That would be one secret that would be almost impossible to keep even under threat of death. The much more simpler explanation is that they faked the moon landings for M-O-N-E-Y.
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The much more simpler explanation is that they faked the moon landings for M-O-N-E-Y.
What money? These people have all the money they need.
They have as much as they want in the "Black Budget".
No, this is about power and information control to maintain that power.
As well we really do not know what technology is available EXCEPT what we are told is available and by best estimates of those who watch the Black Technology Development what is released for the public to know, at any given time, is at least 20 years behind real capabilities. So, and I think it likely, that those capsules had more radiation shielding than was let on. Doing the entire Moon Program by fraud would have been virtually impossible. Too many really really bright people, and ethical ones, were on the inside. However, a small group could be kept quiet about what was actually up there.
No, what makes more sense is a parallel hidden space program using technology and systems not in the public domain. I think it likely that we had the capability to reach, without rockets, the moon and at least the inner planets out through Mars for at least 20 years if not longer. There are several reasons to suspect that.
The level of funding for the Black Budget - which while a closely guarded number is one that is estimated in the hundreds of billions.
The slip of tongue reported in Aviation Week, made by Senators Jay Rockefeller and Ron Wyden Senators'' Comments Suggest Existence Of Secret Space Program, which revealed the existence of the Black Budget Space Program. The article is still on the website but appears to have been severely "scrubbed" from what was reported in the original but nevertheless the cat was let out of the bag.
Tying into this is the English Hacker who broke into Pentagram files which showed officer transfers and command changes on unknown U.S. Ships. The inference being that this is part of the black program i.e., a secret "Space Navy".
Sightings have been made, all over the U.S., of Triangular craft flying at unreasonalbly slow speeds for their size and shape. This ties to, probably renamed since it leaked, Project Aurora which was the development of advanced "aircraft" which rumors suggest have hypersonic capability as well as possible limited "anti-gravity" systems.
The cryptic, apocryphal, comment attributed to John Northrup (founder of Northrup Aviation) reportedly made at a small side group to a Dinner Party "We have the Stars and they won't let us go". Who the "they" is, is one of the unknowns.
Then factoring in the "Brookings Report", the photographs of apparent structures (which do exist in the NASA PHOTOS and because you personally have not looked at them does not mean they do not exist or have disappeared).
NASA being caught repeatedly manipulating and withholding photographs of the Moon and Mars. Examples would be the contrived color shift on mars photographs, toward the red end of the spetrum, to cover up the existence of plant life on Mars, and to degrade the image of "The Face" (wherein they cut the gray scale and the number of scan lines in the published photos from Mars Surveyor). The "mysterious" silence of key probes, etc., ...
As well is the widespread use of the media to create disinformation, control knowledge flow and dissemination, and to control the public perception via what they are allowed to know, and what you "know" determines what you see (with credit to James Burke).
No, I think labeling the whole moon missions a "hoax" is the fraud and a Red Herring to distract and lead away from what manipulations were actually done and why.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
And Yes some of the video footage released to the public is fake.
That comment isn't an opinion .... that is an authoritive pile of BS and you know it.
And, you can't prove your own "opinion."
Yes, it is my opinion, my considered opinion formed over the last 20 years of following the operations of government, and how they really operate, and to what ends.
By controlling what people know, dumbing down the schools, and generally disabling large segments of the population via drugs, both legal and illegal, the populace from their psychotic point of view is kept under control.
You're a great example of it.
You think the approved thoughts within the designated box.
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Congratulations.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
What aim does the US government have in fooling the people about the space program? Can you lay any claim ... outside of your "considered opinion" that the US government in concert with NASA and BILLIONS of dollars transferred to private industry can pull a hoax off of this magnitude?
The US government doesn't have enough brains or wherewithal to perform the talent you profess.
But you have enough brains so suggest that the US government does. How about that, nut_case.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
If brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose.
Oh c'mon. Everyone knows the moon is made from green cheese and the aliens abducted all the astronauts before they even left the Earth's orbit. Gee Whiz..... get a life as opposed to arguing about something that you can't substantiate or support by rational debate from a passionate perspective or factual content.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
"This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill."--Charles Lindbergh, Sr.
Yet, you can hear the bag the astronaut is trying to change clear as a bell. This was suppose to be happening on the moon, not Earth.
Flapdoodle. You are hearing artifacts in the audio transmissions.
We went to the Moon. I personally worked with the Apollo folks and know some of the astronauts. IMHO it is a slap in the face to America to deny one of its great achievements.
Here are just a couple of “proofs” we went to the moon:
Extremely directional dish antennas were used for communications. 1/2 power = .04 deg beam width. In other words you had to be pointing directly at the target (landing site) not just the Moon. Also a transponder to bounce a signal from the Earth to the Moon and back giving the appearance of being there would not work as well. There would have been a pesky time delay twice as long (speed of light and distance) as predicted that you could not eliminate. Can’t violate physics. Also other countries monitored the transmissions from the Moon- nuff said.
Anything flown, thrown, or even the dust being kicked up follows perfectly ballistic arcs. This is most evident in the lunar rover videos. You can see the plumes of dust falling in a perfectly ballistic arc. No sound stage could ever fake this. (Nor could we build a vacuum chamber large enough (even today) for the rovers. Again there is that pesky thing called physics that shows everything moving in 1/6 g. We cannot fake that. We can create 1/6th g by controlled falling (i.e.; the Vomit Comet), however, that is a pretty short lived phenomenon before you hit the ground.
How come not one picture, not one, of them reassembling the damn thing once they got up there? They seemed to have felt that all kinds of other trivial sh!t was important enough to photograph, but none of that.
Yea. If I cut and paste I will quote and source the original.
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