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Title: Cheney accuses Obama of 'libel' against CIA interrogators
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URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl ... of-libel-against-cia-interrog/
Published: Oct 22, 2009
Author: Amanda Carpenter
Post Date: 2009-10-22 08:55:14 by Jethro Tull
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Maintaining his stature as one of the most forceful defenders of the Bush Administration's defense policies former Vice President Dick Cheney accused President Obama of committing "libel" against CIA interrorgators on Wednesday. Mr. Cheney’s criticized the Obama White House in a wide-ranging address on foreign policy matters for abandoning commitments to allies in Poland and the Czech Republic in favor of the Russians, sacrificing American intelligence officials to satisfy the political left and "dithering" on taking action in Afghanistan, among other things. The speech, delivered to the Center for Security Policy, comes as the White House considers U.S. Commander of Afghanistan Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s request for an additional 40,000 troops and struggles with the legal consequences of shutting down Guantanamo Bay. On the domestic front, most of political Washington is consumed with massive health care reform plans moving through Congress. ********** Cheney: Stop the 'dithering' as troops face danger Former Vice President Dick Cheney says Obama must do 'what it takes to win' in Afghanistan (AP) WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday night accused the White House of dithering over the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and urged President Barack Obama to "do what it takes to win." "Make no mistake. Signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries," Cheney said while accepting an award from a conservative national security group, the Center for Security Policy. Cheney disputed remarks by White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel that the Bush administration had been adrift concerning the war in Afghanistan and that the Obama administration had to start from the beginning to develop a strategy for the 8-year-old war. To the contrary, Cheney said, the Bush administration undertook its own review of the war before leaving office and presented its findings to Obama's transition team. "They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt," Cheney said. The strategy Obama announced in March bore a "striking resemblance" to what the Bush administration review had found, the vice president said. Emanuel told CNN on Sunday that the decision regarding what to do in Afghanistan is more complex than whether to send more troops. The U.S. commander there, Gen. Stanley McChrystal, has reportedly asked for as many as 40,000 additional troops to combat the Taliban insurgency and al-Qaida fighters. "When you go through all the analysis, it's clear that basically we had a war for eight years that was going on, that's adrift, that we're beginning at scratch, and just from the starting point, after eight years," Emanuel said. Cheney said the Obama administration seems to be pulling back and blaming others for its own failure to implement the strategy it had embraced earlier in the year. "The White House must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger," the former vice president said. "It's time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity." Cheney criticized Obama's decision to drop plans begun in the Bush administration for missile defense interceptors in Poland and a radar site in the Czech Republic, calling the move "a strategic blunder and a breach of good faith." The administration said it will instead pursue a higher-tech system that is also more cost-effective. "Our Polish and Czech friends are entitled to wonder how strategic plans and promises years in the making could be dissolved just like that with apparently little if any consultation," he said. "President Obama's cancellation of America's agreements with the Polish and Czech governments is a serious blow to the hopes and aspirations of millions of Europeans." Cheney said those who try to placate Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and accede to his wishes will get nothing in return but trouble.
Poster Comment: IMVHO, Cheney is, behind the scenes, actively fostering anti-Obama feelings among the CIA and military. Couple this with the Oath Keepers and we are indeed living in interestering times.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Interesting observation. There is NO other republican espousing any concern as is Cheney. If we disregard whether that is good or bad, we can note other views. The "loyal opposition", republicans, are working hand and glove with the administration as if there was but one party. There has been NO change, there is no leadership from the Congress to halt this slide into financial ruin. We blame Obumski but there are 534 other losers in the beltway that are totally worthless. Ron Paul is still yapping his message to an empty House every week. All of this could be changed next year if it were the will of the people, a total House cleaning is ours for the taking. Perhaps the voters prefer a bloody revolution???
I think a case can be made that Cheney is the wrong guy to cross. Unlike past administrations who have faded away after elections, Cheney is taking an active role on the political stage. This isn't by accident. It's beginning to look like Cheney has rejected New England branch of the Rs, (the Bush Clan in particular) and is attacking, head long, the Kenyan. If Ron Paul were doing this, rather than Cheney, we'd be cheering. My point? Anyone who tries to take down the Marxist is doing god's work. Lets deal w/the mess after we fumigate the People's House from the current occupant.
Looks like the neocons are working on their comeback.
Yes, and this was my argument to anyone who thought an Obama landslide would eradicate the Neos-Rs. They become more effective when they are the minority. The fact that Cheney is leading the charge has some undertones that Obama & company should be very concerned about. It won't be us keyboard commandos who effect change, but rather people like him. And don't think for a moment Rumsfeld is retired and fishing in some remote stream. IMO they are nudging McChrystal and Obama is being forced to respond. This is all about raw power and the ones that currently have it are taking those who lost it a tad too lightly. FWIW.
Not so coincidently, Cheney's eldest daughter, Liz, and William Kristol have just formed a new group, Keep America Safe, to carry on "the work".
and what is that, Mr Cheney? have we won in Iraq? did we win in Viet Nam? what war have we actually won?
Cheney is pissed that Obama won't attack Iran and start WWIII. I don't think he's doing "god's work", more like that of the devil. Hey, give Obama credit when it's due, he's NOWHERE near as bad as McCain would have been, and the polar opposite of Cheney.
Define "winning".
that was my first thought. i've heard and read a number of commentators compare Afghanistan with VN.
Hell, the Soviets couldn't "win" in Afghanistan, and they were a hell of lot more ruthless. Now that we've trained Al'CIADuh, the locals have all the know-how they need to fight a more powerful enemy, and with all the "goodwill" we've generated in that part of the world, I'm sure there's no problem for them in obtaining supplies. Hell, I wouldn't doubt WE are supplying the Taliban and other groups, just to keep the game in play. It's all smoke and mirrors I think.
I disagree. We now have a Marxist in office who will make DOMESTIC policy far worse on us. In terms of foreign policy, we'll do what's best for Israel, despite who is sitting on the throne.
See what best benefits Israel.
have we won in Iraq? did we win in Viet Nam? what war have we actually won The real "dithering' was the first 7 years in Afghanistan under the Bush admin. Multiple commanders asked the Bush admin for more troops and supplies but they were rebuffed because Iraq took center stage.
Do you truly believe McCain would have been better in that regard? Hell, they'd probably already be rounding people up for the trip to "reeducation centers" if he were sitting in the WH. He's just a more flamboyant form of Cheney. Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran, remember that?
After the Valerie Plame case, Cheney is hardly in a position to accuse anyone else of mistreating CIA personell.
I don't vote, and I never pay attention to what politicians SAY. I do pay
attention to what they DO, so any comparison to McCain isn't measurable by any
means you care to use. I reiterate, we have a Marxist in office. If you agree
with that, whoever (and however) He's removed is fine with me. One turd at a
time, with a concentration on who IS IN office, rather than who ISN'T is the
best way to fly.
Cheney has vested interesting in making a hell of a lot of money if the wars continue. Mrs. Cheney is a career Lockheed Martin employee. Dick is raking in the cash on Halliburton, KGB and every other subdivision. They have interests in every aspect of keeping this war going, from mercenaries to water to weapons. Dick is a predictable whore for the military industrial complex, always has been and always will be.
Would you prefer Joe Biden as President? Nancy Pelosi, or Hillary Clinton perhaps?
Agree, and how is that HOPE and CHANGE working for the anti-war folks who chose Obama?
My preference is no president. But let me return you to "one turd at a time." The current Marxist has to go.
Hell, I wouldn't doubt WE are supplying the Taliban and other groups, just to keep the game in play. That is up for debate. In what way are the Soviets more ruthless than the US? Remember the US armed the Taliban to take down the Russians in Afghanistan, using Israel to broker the deal.......that's ruthless. We trained AQ while the Russians were fighting in Afghanistan. AQ was the database of those who were trained by the US. Yes, this is the level of ruthlessness I'm talkin' about.....
Have you heard from the anti-war folks since the election? I haven't heard too much from that crowd as wars continue and troops increase. This once vocal group is now mute for some reason. Do you think that a war profiteer has their tongue? : )
I think in terms of who can do the most damage, Obama is not on top of that list. Look, his hands are tied as he's getting flak from all sides, the military, the neocons, and the people who are against national health care. That's actually a good thing, it keeps him from getting too carried away with any one thing. Look at the Bush presidency, do you think he could have gotten away with all that he did if the people and the military were on his ass like they are on Obama's?
Cheney gets milage, Paul gets yardage.
Hmmm, you might have a point there... Again, I'm not sure we're on the same page w/Obama. I believe he's a Marxist and if you do also, it would be a mistake to under estimate internationalism.
I don't see Obama as any more of a Marxist as Cheney or any other character at the top of the food chain in DC, in fact, less so.
I give you a 'baptism' of Saul Alinsky, Marshall Davis, Van Jones, Ayres, Dorne, Fr. Pfleger, the Rev. Wright, etc. These folks are coming from the socialist left, and not the Zionist neoconservative perspective.
I would say just as much, but not less. The destintion comes in as to which corporate interests butter the bread, with an overlapping of many interests, such as the bankers. Both administrations implement policies to repay for the cost of getting them elected. Obama isn't any less than Bush while pushing gains for big pharma, Monsanto, insurance etc. This administration is less beholden to oil interests, making up for that in other areas of obvious fascism.
What's worse, a left-wing extremist or a right-wing extremist? As far as the list you gave, I'm sure there's a lot of lists that could be put together on ANY of the chosen few who are selected to run the show... In fact, I think Obama has pissed off his handlers and is not following his orders, that is why he's getting so much heat from those who would normally sit from the sidelines and collect their tributes.
The Neocons aren't right wing. They come to us from the Trotsky wing of international socialism.
;-) yes, he is most certainly the world's most preeminent turd at the moment.
George W. Bush ... => SCREWED. One tick at a time.
My hope is that when Obama is returned to Chi-town in 2012 he will settle into local mob activities and not stick around on the national stage like Cheney, Newt, Clinton .... ad nauseam.
George W. Bush ... => SCREWED. They should all have their batteries pulled upon forced retirement :P
more NEOCON diversionary practices. these people, L/R-Dem/Rep play from the Greater Good script if not simply going along to $get along$. mkKain or obamalamadingdong, the train keeps rolling...
Fabian Socialists in duhhhhhmeriKa should be among the first to burn...
those shit stain excuses of men and women ONLY believe in the Party that makes them feel good about going down the Greater Good path...they'd start a war tomorrow if they thought it would bring the prize one heartbeat closer.
Amen. Neos aren't hard to ID considering most were Ds & the Father of Neoconservatives was Irving Kristol, a Trotskyite.
That's right. So, for those that wish to play the partisan game (HD) it isn't so hard to say that truly, the wing that is historically the nastiest against uSA sovereignty is the RAT wing. Of course, both wings are firmly under Globalist controls...but people would rather play the game. Fucking idiots...
Stalin had one good idea, he was thinning out the Trotsky ranks, one at a time, finally sending olde Leon off to meet his maker. For his efforts "Stalin was branded an anti semetic. Another useful lie.
Any mention of "party" blame on this forum should result in the immediate issuance of a dunce cap and forfeiture of posting capabilities. !
The U.S. Govt is a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
Point taken. But if I had to choose between stalin and trotsky; pick sides as it were, I'd shoot the both of them...
Agreed. It appears that the only hard core partisans that continue to stir the shit pot are coming from the dyed in the wool World Communist wing...D. Few hardened Rs remain.
Correct. I always found it hilarious that the Jews hung the anti semetic rap on stalin because he killed so many people that were trying to eradicate him, and they were mostly Jews. So if you cant win, start whining bout Stalin being anti semetic, some small measure of success. He married three Jew women, his children were Jews, he shot his brother in law for something to amuse himself, what a group.
IMVHO, Cheney is, behind the scenes, actively fostering anti-Obama feelings among the CIA and military. Couple this with the Oath Keepers and we are indeed living in interestering times.
#2. To: Cynicom (#1)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#4. To: lucysmom (#3)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#6. To: Dick Cheney (#0)
Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday night accused the White House of dithering over the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and urged President Barack Obama to "do what it takes to win."
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Anyone who tries to take down the Marxist is doing god's work. Lets deal w/the mess after we fumigate the People's House from the current occupant.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#8. To: christine (#6)
Dick Cheney on Wednesday night accused the White House of dithering over the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and urged President Barack Obama to "do what it takes to win."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#9. To: FormerLurker (#8)
#10. To: christine (#9)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#11. To: FormerLurker (#7)
Hey, give Obama credit when it's due, he's NOWHERE near as bad as McCain would have been, and the polar opposite of Cheney.
#12. To: FormerLurker (#8)
Define "winning".
#13. To: christine (#6)
Former Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday night accused the White House of dithering over the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and urged President Barack Obama to "do what it takes to win." and what is that, Mr Cheney?
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
We now have a Marxist in office who will make DOMESTIC policy far worse on us.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#16. To: FormerLurker (#14)
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
IMVHO, Cheney is, behind the scenes, actively fostering anti-Obama feelings among the CIA and military. Couple this with the Oath Keepers and we are indeed living in interestering times.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
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If you agree with that, whoever (and however) He's removed is fine with me.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#19. To: abraxas (#17)
#20. To: FormerLurker (#18)
#21. To: FormerLurker (#10)
they were a hell of lot more ruthless.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
Agree, and how is that HOPE and CHANGE working for the anti-war folks who chose Obama?
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
If Ron Paul were doing this, rather than Cheney, we'd be cheering
#25. To: abraxas (#21)
In what way are the Soviets more ruthless than the US?
May 1979: CIA Begins Working with Hekmatyar and Other Mujaheddin Leaders Chosen by ISI As the US mobilizes for covert war in Afghanistan (see 1978 and July 3, 1979), a CIA special envoy meets Afghan mujaheddin leaders at Peshawar, Pakistan, near the border to Afghanistan. All of them have been carefully selected by the Pakistani ISI and do not represent a broad spectrum of the resistance movement. One of them is Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a drug dealer with little support in Afghanistan, but who is loyal to the ISI. The US will begin working with Hekmatyar and over the next 10 years over half of all US aid to the mujaheddin will go to his faction (see 1983). Hekmatyar is already known as brutal, corrupt, and incompetent. [McCoy, 2003, pp. 475] His extreme ruthlessness, for instance, his reputation for skinning prisoners alive, is considered a plus, as it is thought he will use that ruthlessness to kill Russians. [Dreyfuss, 2005, pp. 267-268]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#26. To: FormerLurker (#23)
I think in terms of who can do the most damage, Obama is not on top of that list.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#28. To: FormerLurker (#27)
I don't see Obama as any more of a Marxist as Cheney or any other character at the top of the food chain in DC, in fact, less so.
#29. To: FormerLurker (#27)
I don't see Obama as any more of a Marxist as Cheney or any other character at the top of the food chain in DC, in fact, less so.
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: FormerLurker (#30)
What's worse, a left-wing extremist or a right-wing extremist?
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
But let me return you to "one turd at a time." The current Marxist has to go.
Barack H. Obama . => DOOMED ...... J. A. Carter, (#3 Son)
#33. To: iconoclast (#32)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Cheney accuses Obama of 'libel' against CIA interrogators
Barack H. Obama . => DOOMED ...... J. A. Carter, (#3 Son)
#35. To: iconoclast (#34)
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
The Hegelian Dialectic lives strong...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
The Neocons aren't right wing. They come to us from the Trotsky wing of international socialism.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#38. To: abraxas (#22)
Have you heard from the anti-war folks since the election? I haven't heard too much from that crowd as wars continue and troops increase. This once vocal group is now mute for some reason.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#39. To: Rotara (#37)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)
Neos aren't hard to ID considering most were Ds & the Father of Neoconservatives was Irving Kristol, a Trotskyite.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#41. To: Rotara (#40)
Of course, both wings are firmly under Globalist controls...but people would rather play the game.
#42. To: Rotara (#38)
(Edited)
#43. To: Cynicom (#41)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#44. To: noone222 (#42)
Any mention of "party" blame on this forum should result in the immediate issuance of a dunce cap and forfeiture of posting capabilities. !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#45. To: Rotara (#43)
But if I had to choose between stalin and trotsky; pick sides as it were, I'd shoot the both of them...
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