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Title: Limbaugh Falls For A Hoax About The President's College Thesis
Source: Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/ ... /10/23/obama_thesis/index.html
Published: Oct 24, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-10-24 12:45:41 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 24523
Comments: 199

On Friday, it seemed for a moment -- at least to Rush Limbaugh's listeners -- that the right had finally found the smoking gun to prove that President Obama secretly hates the U.S., its founders and even the Constitution.

Limbaugh read his radio audience an excerpt from what he said was Obama's senior thesis, which he wrote while at Columbia University. After more than a year shrouded in secrecy by the Obama campaign and a compliant media, the thesis had finally emerged, and it was even worse than some had feared.

The excerpt read by Limbaugh:

[T]he Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.

Limbaugh was, naturally, up in arms about this, calling the college-aged Obama a "little boy," and saying, "he still shares those same feelings."

Only not so much. As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh, Obama didn't technically write a thesis at Columbia -- at the time, Columbia didn't really have senior theses -- though he did write a thesis-length paper. But it was on Soviet nuclear disarmament, not the Constitution.

Limbaugh and many others -- including Fox News' FoxNation.com -- fell for a hoax, believing that a post put up by a conservative blogger in August as satire was the truth. Apparently, Pajamas Media's Michael Ledeen was the conduit, as he dug it up and posted it earlier this week, apparently believing it to be true. (Not the first time Ledeen and Pajamas Media have been embarrassed by something he posted -- back in January of 2007, he reported that Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had died. Khamenei remains alive to this day.) Again, a bit of basic research would have prevented all this, as this isn't the first time conservatives have treated this particular blogger's satire as if it were true.

Limbaugh noted later on in his show that it seemed the excerpts were fake, though he said he didn't care, both because of a series of quotes falsely attributed to him recently and because, "I know Obama thinks it."

Update: Ledeen has put up a post noting that the excerpt is a fake, and that he fell for a satire.

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#101. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#100)

I understand this; you refuse to answer a simple question about Obama and post on a forum with fellow Obama socialists. I understand why you didn't answer my initial question and now others reading this do also.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Original_Intent (#96)

... that the piece was planted with Limbaugh with the intent to help delegitimize questions regarding Oh'bummer. -- Original_Intent

Well, golly and gee whiz now, you are posing animated gif files. Shucks and gosh darn it. Ohh, you seem to pose some interesting stuff, though ... did you create those gif files? Or did you plagiarize them?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Jethro Tull (#101)

Apparently you don't understand that smearing people because of where they post works against you, too.

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site

Thank-you.

You're fully exposed.

You can go now.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro tull (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

Let me correct you on that statement.

This forum is...a non semetic owned and operated site...

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Jethro Tull (#104)

Are you backing Limbaugh for the President position in 2012?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:19:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: buckeroo (#106)

Pills Limbought is as isolated and out of touch as the corporate elites he supports.

Does he even drive his own car?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:22:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#105)

He took far less cheese that some of the other RATS. Thank god for small favors.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Fred Mertz, Jethro Tull (#107)

He won't answer the question.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: buckeroo (#106)

Make that - Pills Limpbought.

Does he ever fly commercial?

Does he ever use the subway?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Jethro Tull (#104)

You're fully exposed.

You can go now.

Why?

I enjoy poking stupid people with sticks.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#108)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#112)

There are a few at work here on this thread.

So now I'm a Jew.

You clowns are too much. Really.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Fred Mertz (#110)

Does he ever fly commercial?

Does he ever use the subway?

Did you ever buy a POWER TIE?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#111)

I enjoy poking stupid people with sticks.

I know that's how you feel, and that's why I took a few minutes to unmask you.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Cynicom (#112)

So, now I'm a Jew?

Wait, today's Saturday...the Sabbath...what am I supposed to do now, old man?

You embarrass yourself. You might want to change your Depends.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull (#113)

So now I'm a Jew.

You fell into that one headfirst. After this read before you post.

No one said you were a Jew, you question it yourself...If that does not fit surely limp wrist goy enabler might.

Which do you prefer.

You took the bait.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: buckeroo (#114)

Did you ever buy a POWER TIE?

I saw some on closeout at my local drug store. They were going for $5.99 if I recall correctly.

Loud and ugly as hell. I think his last (ex) wife designed them.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:30:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Cynicom (#117)

You took the bait.

No, I'd say you took the bait by confirming what this site is all about.

Thanks.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:32:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#118)

I think his last (ex) wife designed them.

How many ex-wives does he have? Three?

Yes, he's the role model for konservatives...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Jethro Tull (#115)

I know that's how you feel, and that's why I took a few minutes to unmask you.

I want to know how you are rationaizing a radio talk-show host that has consistently suggested that he is pro-government, in fact he means pro-GOP and un-pro US Constitution.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Fred Mertz (#116)

So, now I'm a Jew?

Wait, today's Saturday...the Sabbath...what am I supposed to do now, old man?

Or a limp-wristed Goy enabler.

I'm glad we got that cleared up.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#112)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other. The thread hasn't gone the way they wanted so now they are erecting a "wall of spam". I've seen the tactic used repeatedly on LF, and El Pee among others.

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths, such as flame wars, then in order to obscure the debate, and the evidence that they had their heads handed to them, they go for the "wall of spam" maneuver to make the thread unreadable.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Fred Mertz (#120)

How many ex-wives does he have? Three?

Three it is.

For a while after he traveled around with a beard, but he's given that up.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:35:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Original_Intent (#123)

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other.

Hey pinhead, that's what you and your tag team do.

Notice your "To:" list?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#119)

Thanks.

Welcome.

This site is one of a very few that is not semetic owned and operated, as you have seen, much to your distress.

Now ElPee, Freakville, perhaps are more to your liking. They are Jew owned and operated..

There are people that would ban such sites as this that allows freedom of speech, perhaps you are one???

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

It sounds to me like you've fallen for the Israel-First propaganda of yukon, mad dog, Magician and the other Israel before America types on LP. Just because the owner of this site believes in freedom of speech and refuses to remove the articles, comments and posters the before mentioned scum believe should be removed does not make this an anti-Semitic web site.

I'm not an anti-Semite, nor are many others on this board. As a matter of fact, myself and others have been chastised on more than one occasion for not believing that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is real and for not believing that the Jews are responsible for every bad thing that goes on in the world.

You do Christine a disservice by spreading LP propaganda like this.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   16:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Cynicom (#126)

Jim Robberson is a Jew?

This is getting interesting. Please continue.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Original_Intent (#123)

I respect an honest Jew that stands up and says so, and can discuss civilly any subject at hand.

However goys that hide and are actual dry gulchers are to be treated as such.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Original_Intent (#123)

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths,

BTW, it was your pal Jethro who decided to derail this thread, way back in post #2, remember?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Hayek Fan (#127)

Put a muzzle on Cynicom.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-10-24   16:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

The leftist d'bags among us have trouble acknowledging that the real distraction isn't what Limbaugh says, but rather what Obama does.

Showing your TRUE_COLOURS, 'eh? Rationalizing a fat assed pill-popper that begged for Iraq WAR. You aren't a conservative. You are a demonic war machine.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#123)

The following is a reprint of H. Michael Sweeney's fine piece on how to spot the professional disinformation artist. Located at: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8 Traits of The Disinformationalist: What to Look For

Eight Traits of The Disinformationist

1. Avoidance
2. Selectivity
3. Coincidental
4. Teamwork
5. Anti-conspiratorial
6. Artificial Emotions
7. Inconsistent
8. Newly Discovered: Time Constant

In the end, you can usually spot the professional disinfo players by one or more of seven (now 8) distinct traits:

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist by H. Michael Sweeney copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved proparanoid.net

(Revised April 2000 - formerly SEVEN Traits)

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

I close with the first paragraph of the introduction to my unpublished book, Fatal Rebirth:

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Hayek Fan (#127) (Edited)

It sounds to me like you've fallen for the Israel-First propaganda of yukon, mad dog, Magician and the other Israel before America types on LP.

I'm not an anti-Semite, nor are many others on this board.

That would be quite a trick, since I've got every single one of them on bozo.

And I'm not an Obama enabler, but to all the Sherlock Holmes' on this site I am because I post on other sites besides this one.

If it's a good enough reason to smear me, then it's good enough to smear all of you too.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Original_Intent (#133) (Edited)

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

I have always liked that one best. First ran into on Freakville before they were able to ban people.

My first banning was for this post...."I for one am tired of the daily flying of the anti semetic flag on FR"...

I was gone, so started looking around and asking questions. Even talked to those that were around when FR was created.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#134)

I derailed the thread?

I suspected you were a Nesting RAT and low and behold you deliver me this; "This is an anti-Semite site."

The jig is up, kiddo.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:49:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Hayek Fan (#134)

Waaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#134)

And I'm not an Obama enabler, but to all the Sherlock Holmes' on this site I am because I post on other sites besides this one.

If it's a good enough reason to smear me, then it's good enough to smear all of you too.

It appears to me that only two people have made any such claim and the owner of this site was not one of them. So instead of besmirching those who have besmirched you, you have chosen to broad-brush insult everyone here, friend and foe a like. If that's how you want to handle things then that's your right, but you are as wrong as you claim those other two are.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   16:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Jethro Tull (#136)

The jig is up, kiddo.

Many years ago on national tv, Limburg made this statement...

"I am an ENTERTAINER, I AM SELLING SOMETHING".

Many people have lost sight of that, its a job, he sells a line that makes money.

Taking interest in such one does at their own peril, love or hate, makes no difference.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Cynicom (#139)

Many years ago on national tv, Limburg made this statement...

"I am an ENTERTAINER, I AM SELLING SOMETHING".

Something else he said (on more than one occasion) that seemed to fly over the head of his supporters is that the only job of the Republican Party is to win elections. It's too bad that so many of his audience lack the critical thinking skills to understand the ramifications of that statement.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-24   17:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Original_Intent (#123)

aw shit, i admit it: well-nigh stupified...

what derailment was reinforced:
1. hoax,
2. hoax of hoax,
3. hoax of hoax of hoax,
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.
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what is needed is rigorous yet supple axiom of hoaxiness for to determine hoaxsters from innocent bystanders because, even though its readily apparent they're all the same in the end, allowances ought be made for the emotionally sensitive; bawling can disconcert

postpunk  posted on  2009-10-24   17:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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