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Title: Limbaugh Falls For A Hoax About The President's College Thesis
Source: Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/ ... /10/23/obama_thesis/index.html
Published: Oct 24, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-10-24 12:45:41 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 24550
Comments: 199

On Friday, it seemed for a moment -- at least to Rush Limbaugh's listeners -- that the right had finally found the smoking gun to prove that President Obama secretly hates the U.S., its founders and even the Constitution.

Limbaugh read his radio audience an excerpt from what he said was Obama's senior thesis, which he wrote while at Columbia University. After more than a year shrouded in secrecy by the Obama campaign and a compliant media, the thesis had finally emerged, and it was even worse than some had feared.

The excerpt read by Limbaugh:

[T]he Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.

Limbaugh was, naturally, up in arms about this, calling the college-aged Obama a "little boy," and saying, "he still shares those same feelings."

Only not so much. As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh, Obama didn't technically write a thesis at Columbia -- at the time, Columbia didn't really have senior theses -- though he did write a thesis-length paper. But it was on Soviet nuclear disarmament, not the Constitution.

Limbaugh and many others -- including Fox News' FoxNation.com -- fell for a hoax, believing that a post put up by a conservative blogger in August as satire was the truth. Apparently, Pajamas Media's Michael Ledeen was the conduit, as he dug it up and posted it earlier this week, apparently believing it to be true. (Not the first time Ledeen and Pajamas Media have been embarrassed by something he posted -- back in January of 2007, he reported that Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had died. Khamenei remains alive to this day.) Again, a bit of basic research would have prevented all this, as this isn't the first time conservatives have treated this particular blogger's satire as if it were true.

Limbaugh noted later on in his show that it seemed the excerpts were fake, though he said he didn't care, both because of a series of quotes falsely attributed to him recently and because, "I know Obama thinks it."

Update: Ledeen has put up a post noting that the excerpt is a fake, and that he fell for a satire.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh,

Limbaugh doesn't research anything; he reads what his staff puts in front of his face each day when he stops in the studio on his way to the golf course.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:02:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#1)

I research some things.

Tell me something, has Obama chosen some Maoists and Marxists as czars?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:06:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

I research some things.

Tell me something, has Obama chosen some Maoists and Marxists as czars?

Why not start a new thread on that and I'll consider it?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:10:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#3)

Because Nesters like yourself don't deserve new threads. Answer the question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:12:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Answer the question.

When did you become the boss of me?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   13:46:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#11)

Since when does the simple act of asking a question become a matter of who is being a boss? Given the history of this forum, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Is it that hard to answer, or is it more that you are a partisan and have trouble agreeing that Obama is surrounded by Maoists and Marxists?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   13:51:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Given the history of this forum, I'm asking you a legitimate question. Is it that hard to answer, or is it more that you are a partisan and have trouble agreeing that Obama is surrounded by Maoists and Marxists?

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:13:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#18)

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Why should he answer you? You are posing rhetorical and silly questions.

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#26)

Rhetorical, yes obviously.

But silly ?

These klowns dodge and dodge and obfuscate and misdirect but never admit what they are; what they believe and what that makes them.

silly is butting in here, buck...

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara (#28)

silly is butting in here, buck...

I guess you don't like me pointing out that anyone defending Limbaugh is an impossible position. The traitor is a GOP conspiracist and a clown unworthy of his wealth. He is exactly the image of the flip-side of the Democratic Party .... a pile of liars.

He has no interest in America other than acquiring wealth.

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:34:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#33)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:46:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull, I Don't thinkso (#45)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Poor baby and here you thought you had the discussion well directed and on message.

Just because that poster thinks Orly Taitz is a ditsy idiot he/she's an Obama supporter? lololol

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:51:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#52)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Rotara (#57)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.

Sorry, but as usual you're full of shit.

Before today, my last post was on the 18th. Before that it was the 13th. Before that it was the 6th.

Time to get those meds checked. You're hallucinating.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:59:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#61)

Before today, my last post was on the 18th. Before that it was the 13th. Before that it was the 6th

That's because you're a Nester, a forum for partisan Obama fellators. Your time and energy is spent discussing matters of importance such as birth certificates, Orly, and Limbaugh. What I'm trying to say is 4um probably isn't for something like you. Please don't take it personal, I'm really here to help.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:06:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

That's because you're a Nester, a forum for partisan Obama fellators

Since your pal Rotar isn't very good at research, maybe you could dig up my pro-Obama comments yourself.

Or, if you can't, you can just keep showing your stupidity for all to see.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:13:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#73)

Since your pal Rotar isn't very good at research, maybe you could dig up my pro-Obama comments yourself.

Kid, anyone on the Nest is an Obama Freak. Just deal with it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:25:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

Kid, anyone on the Nest is an Obama Freak. Just deal with it.

No, I prefer proof.

Why not provide it since you know it to be true about me?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:27:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#79)

I just did. Members of the Nest are Obama fallators, so please, suck deeply.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:30:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Jethro Tull (#81)

I just did. Members of the Nest are Obama fallators, so please, suck deeply.

So you admit you can't do it.

I win. You're full of crap, just like Rotar.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:33:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#84)

Psst......DU is full of Ds. FR is full of Rs and the Nest is full of Obama Freaks. Couple that with your inability to answer a simple question and it leaves you, well, a Freak. See?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:37:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

But you are a Limbaugh fan. It shows or otherwise characterizes the high level of intellect you personally wield. Next, you are voting Limbaugh as President to defeat 0bama in 2012.

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:39:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeroo, Jethro Tull, Rotara, ALL (#90)

Hey, all.

Want to watch something good unfold?

Pay attention to this thread.

I'm counting the minutes until it makes it's way to LP.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   15:42:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#91)

This is the Nest. This is where you post when not on LP. The Nest, as I said, is comprised of Obama fellators. Nobody but a leftist shill would post there

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   15:47:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Jethro Tull (#93)

This is the Nest. This is where you post when not on LP. The Nest, as I said, is comprised of Obama fellators. Nobody but a leftist shill would post there

I've heard that this is an anti-Semite site.

Does that mean that nobody but Nazis posts here?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:02:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#97)

More deflection, Nestie....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:03:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Jethro Tull (#98)

More deflection, Nestie...

You really don't understand your own posts, do you?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#100)

I understand this; you refuse to answer a simple question about Obama and post on a forum with fellow Obama socialists. I understand why you didn't answer my initial question and now others reading this do also.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:11:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Jethro Tull (#101)

Apparently you don't understand that smearing people because of where they post works against you, too.

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   16:14:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro tull (#103)

This is an anti-Semite site; therefore (using what passes for logic for you) you're a Nazi.

Let me correct you on that statement.

This forum is...a non semetic owned and operated site...

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:19:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#105)

He took far less cheese that some of the other RATS. Thank god for small favors.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   16:22:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Jethro Tull (#108)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   16:25:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull, Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#112)

Jews and their limp wrist Goy enablers always finally out themselves.

There are a few at work here on this thread.

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other. The thread hasn't gone the way they wanted so now they are erecting a "wall of spam". I've seen the tactic used repeatedly on LF, and El Pee among others.

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths, such as flame wars, then in order to obscure the debate, and the evidence that they had their heads handed to them, they go for the "wall of spam" maneuver to make the thread unreadable.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   16:35:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#125. To: Original_Intent (#123)

Yes, the shills are moving it to reinforce each other.

Hey pinhead, that's what you and your tag team do.

Notice your "To:" list?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24 16:37:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Original_Intent (#123)

I respect an honest Jew that stands up and says so, and can discuss civilly any subject at hand.

However goys that hide and are actual dry gulchers are to be treated as such.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24 16:39:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Original_Intent (#123)

The general tactic is that when they can't derail the thread by diverting people off onto other paths,

BTW, it was your pal Jethro who decided to derail this thread, way back in post #2, remember?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24 16:39:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#123)

The following is a reprint of H. Michael Sweeney's fine piece on how to spot the professional disinformation artist. Located at: Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8 Traits of The Disinformationalist: What to Look For

Eight Traits of The Disinformationist

1. Avoidance
2. Selectivity
3. Coincidental
4. Teamwork
5. Anti-conspiratorial
6. Artificial Emotions
7. Inconsistent
8. Newly Discovered: Time Constant

In the end, you can usually spot the professional disinfo players by one or more of seven (now 8) distinct traits:

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist by H. Michael Sweeney copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved proparanoid.net

(Revised April 2000 - formerly SEVEN Traits)

1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

I close with the first paragraph of the introduction to my unpublished book, Fatal Rebirth:

Truth cannot live on a diet of secrets, withering within entangled lies. Freedom cannot live on a diet of lies, surrendering to the veil of oppression. The human spirit cannot live on a diet of oppression, becoming subservient in the end to the will of evil. God, as truth incarnate, will not long let stand a world devoted to such evil. Therefore, let us have the truth and freedom our spirits require... or let us die seeking these things, for without them, we shall surely and justly perish in an evil world.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24 16:42:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Original_Intent (#123)

aw shit, i admit it: well-nigh stupified...

what derailment was reinforced:
1. hoax,
2. hoax of hoax,
3. hoax of hoax of hoax,
.
.
.
?


what is needed is rigorous yet supple axiom of hoaxiness for to determine hoaxsters from innocent bystanders because, even though its readily apparent they're all the same in the end, allowances ought be made for the emotionally sensitive; bawling can disconcert

postpunk  posted on  2009-10-24 17:02:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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