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Title: Limbaugh Falls For A Hoax About The President's College Thesis
Source: Salon
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/news/politics/ ... /10/23/obama_thesis/index.html
Published: Oct 24, 2009
Author: Alex Koppelman
Post Date: 2009-10-24 12:45:41 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 23975
Comments: 199

On Friday, it seemed for a moment -- at least to Rush Limbaugh's listeners -- that the right had finally found the smoking gun to prove that President Obama secretly hates the U.S., its founders and even the Constitution.

Limbaugh read his radio audience an excerpt from what he said was Obama's senior thesis, which he wrote while at Columbia University. After more than a year shrouded in secrecy by the Obama campaign and a compliant media, the thesis had finally emerged, and it was even worse than some had feared.

The excerpt read by Limbaugh:

[T]he Constitution allows for many things, but what it does not allow is the most revealing. The so-called Founders did not allow for economic freedom. While political freedom is supposedly a cornerstone of the document, the distribution of wealth is not even mentioned. While many believed that the new Constitution gave them liberty, it instead fitted them with the shackles of hypocrisy.

Limbaugh was, naturally, up in arms about this, calling the college-aged Obama a "little boy," and saying, "he still shares those same feelings."

Only not so much. As a bit of basic research would have shown Limbaugh, Obama didn't technically write a thesis at Columbia -- at the time, Columbia didn't really have senior theses -- though he did write a thesis-length paper. But it was on Soviet nuclear disarmament, not the Constitution.

Limbaugh and many others -- including Fox News' FoxNation.com -- fell for a hoax, believing that a post put up by a conservative blogger in August as satire was the truth. Apparently, Pajamas Media's Michael Ledeen was the conduit, as he dug it up and posted it earlier this week, apparently believing it to be true. (Not the first time Ledeen and Pajamas Media have been embarrassed by something he posted -- back in January of 2007, he reported that Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei had died. Khamenei remains alive to this day.) Again, a bit of basic research would have prevented all this, as this isn't the first time conservatives have treated this particular blogger's satire as if it were true.

Limbaugh noted later on in his show that it seemed the excerpts were fake, though he said he didn't care, both because of a series of quotes falsely attributed to him recently and because, "I know Obama thinks it."

Update: Ledeen has put up a post noting that the excerpt is a fake, and that he fell for a satire.

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#22. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#18)

And I said ask it on another thread instead of hijacking this one

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

Absolutely. Why discuss the socialist millstone being fitted for our necks when what Limbaugh says or doesn't say is news worthy to some flacks? It's no secret BS is an Obama supporter, voter and apologist. It's also no secret that everyone on this forum has dismissed the politics of Limbaugh years ago. So why the article, and why is this particular 'fly' attracted to this 'turd', given his forum of choice is a partisan leftist den?

It's news stupid.... so what are you sooooo afraid of? A little historical background so we remember just how we got in this mess..... so as to not make the same mistakes again?

lol You are such a drama queen. Hey you can now be Lord of the Turd flies on this huge chat site. Keep those posters on message!!!!LOLOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:23:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#21)

Truly stupid people are found at the people's place, DU, freakrepublic and other places. They're found at 4um too...you're here !

We all know what you are; it's just the price that's left.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

You sound just like domer.LOLOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Why should he answer you? You are posing rhetorical and silly questions.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Don't you fret about threads being hijacked, ok? I'm more concerned with your fellow Obama fellators hijacking the forum.

Still no answer?

Well, as long as were asking questions, do you find having a small dick to be a problem?

Answer the question.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#26)

Rhetorical, yes obviously.

But silly ?

These klowns dodge and dodge and obfuscate and misdirect but never admit what they are; what they believe and what that makes them.

silly is butting in here, buck...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

so you're fucking lame...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

you're so fucking lame...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:31:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, IDon'tThinkSo, all (#15)

"Democracy is the theory that the common man knows exactly what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard." ~ H. L. Mencken

Pure Democracy is two wolves and one sheep taking a vote on what to eat for dinner.

Our nation is NOT a Democracy; it IS a Representative Republic (that's been bought off by wicked men to enrich other wicked men - Traitors) which is off the tracks - Thanks to wolves like IDon'tThink...

The other part of that quote frequently gets left off - probably because most people have not read the original:

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc., .... I don't find it surprising to see people drawing false conclusions when they are missing data and believe to be true things that are not. The real problem is breaking through the programming that has been installed and getting them to look and think for themselves rather than regurgitate. Of course some of them are also shills here to disrupt and discredit the forum.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: All (#30)

the defenders of limppills and obamalamadingdong have no defense...defending the indefensible must be harrrrrrrrd.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara (#28)

silly is butting in here, buck...

I guess you don't like me pointing out that anyone defending Limbaugh is an impossible position. The traitor is a GOP conspiracist and a clown unworthy of his wealth. He is exactly the image of the flip-side of the Democratic Party .... a pile of liars.

He has no interest in America other than acquiring wealth.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#31)

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Thank you. That's actually my favorite part of the quote...

The real-real problem is they view the Constitution as an impediment to world government...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#27)

Well, as long as were asking questions, do you find having a small dick to be a problem?

Answer the question.

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama has appointed Maoists and Marxists to the position of czar (the answer is YES, was that hard?)

I know y'all have trouble being objective when it comes to Him, but man, you've really exposed yourself (no pun intended). Given time, all you leftists do.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#31)

You sure are able to make a whole pile of nothing out of a single post about Limbaugh getting taken.

How's your palmistry business doing?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#31)

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc.

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

IN this day and age there is NO excuse for people not filling in the obvious blanks on their own, other than...they are too intellectually lazy... AND TOO PROGRAMMED.

I have gotten to the point that when I make a general statement based on history and someone imediately wants confirmation, source or whatever.

I tell them, do your own reasearch, educate yourself. They accept it as the gospel that if they were not taught it at Harvard, then what do I know about it..

Fortunately for them I do not use bad language.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-10-24   14:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama

Ah, so now he's my hero.

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull, IDon'tThinkSo, all (#34)

"Democracy is two wolves and sheep voting on what's for dinner. Liberty is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin ca. 1745

Thank you. That's actually my favorite part of the quote...

The real-real problem is they view the Constitution as an impediment to world government...

And that is where their ignorance of history http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htmis most telling. They have no idea what happened to the Brownshirts on "The Night of Long Knives". The don't get that they will be the first executed in any globalist takeover. The Constitution is their protection for as long as it stands, and while it does need strengthening in some of its restrictions on government, and means to enforce it on government short of armed revolt, it is still the greatest document of liberty for the common man that this poor war torn mud ball has ever seen.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Rotara (#30)

you're so fucking lame...

You mean fucking lame like someone who double posts?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#37)

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

But how is one to always know ahead of time just when history has been omitted?

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#38)

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

is this nester 4-play ??


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#40)

Keep whacking him ... it is fun to watch.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#40)

No, like "wow, so you're fucking LAME"

and then

"WOW, you're SO FUCKING LAME"


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: buckeroo (#33)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeroo (#43)

Keep whacking him ... it is fun to watch.

keep whacking yourself, buck - you guys only whack each other.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Rotara (#42)

Be easy on the kid. He's one step out of some university and laden with white guilt.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#38)

Now is that nice? All I asked is if your hero Obama

Ah, so now he's my hero.

BTW, I'm sorry that you've got a small dick. On the positive side, it probably goes well with your tiny brain.

Another diversionary tactic.

Poor little Troll may be a paid and trained little troll.

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

if he-she-it could find this site then he-she-it could read the truth.

but no.

Total bagger...bozo is too good for these klowns.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Rotara (#46)

Anyone that rationalizes Limbaugh's silly mistakes is a political party HACK. You are worthless to this nation.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#48)

the Kommunist trolls really believe !


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull, I Don't thinkso (#45)

Nobody is defending Limbaugh. He's a distraction, especially on 4um where he is rejected by everyone. BS posted the article to be a distraction and the Nesting d'bag who chimed in is a mere, common, Obama shill who is incapable of answering a direct question.

Poor baby and here you thought you had the discussion well directed and on message.

Just because that poster thinks Orly Taitz is a ditsy idiot he/she's an Obama supporter? lololol

mininggold  posted on  2009-10-24   14:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#48)

Another diversionary tactic.

Would that be similar to the diversionary tactic in post #2?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: buckeroo (#50)

do you listen to limppills daily ?

you think selling some guns makes you what...patriotic ??

you're a pussy, buck. you know it, i know it; we all know it.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#37)

Don't be too hard on poor ol' IDT - he comes from a generation that has been dumbed down, disinformed, misinformed, maniputlated constantly by skools and mediawhores, not informed by omitted history, etc.

Omitted history is the most important part of your post.

IN this day and age there is NO excuse for people not filling in the obvious blanks on their own, other than...they are too intellectually lazy... AND TOO PROGRAMMED.

I have gotten to the point that when I make a general statement based on history and someone imediately wants confirmation, source or whatever.

I tell them, do your own reasearch, educate yourself. They accept it as the gospel that if they were not taught it at Harvard, then what do I know about it..

Fortunately for them I do not use bad language.

My favorite example is a young "lady" who worked in the same building I do. I was relating a recent archaeologic discovery off of the coast of India (a city that blows the conventional timeline out of the water) and her response was that it couldn't be true because otherwise it would have been mentioned on CNN.

In the face of such breathtaking ignorance I could thing of no suitable reply.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Rotara (#49)

Klowns is right.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#52)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2009-10-24   14:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Rotara (#54)

do you listen to limppills daily ?

I haven't listened to that POS since 1993 when he ran is TV show presenting Limbaugh Power Ties as smellable items to the lamers.

you think selling some guns makes you what...patriotic ??

Of course it is. Keep the country strong.

you're a pussy, buck. you know it, i know it; we all know it.

ROTFL

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent (#55)

and her response was that it couldn't be true because otherwise it would have been mentioned on CNN.

A ten-pound sledgehammer couldn't break thru that amount of programming. Same with political oafs, as if we can't see walking bags of siht when we spot them.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-10-24   14:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull, Rotara, all (#53)

It was a legitimate question based upon your response given your comment in #1. It helps to illustrate the points under examination.

Of course you are again engaging in diversion and avoidance and such is duly noted.

And again the reference:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-10-24   14:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Rotara (#57)

where have you been ? i don't think supports the obamalamadingdong program daily here on 4um.

Sorry, but as usual you're full of shit.

Before today, my last post was on the 18th. Before that it was the 13th. Before that it was the 6th.

Time to get those meds checked. You're hallucinating.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-10-24   14:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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