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Title: Palin, Thompson, Armey, Santorum, Bachman Abandon Republican Party
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Published: Oct 25, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-10-25 17:54:29 by Brian S
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25 October 2009 :: Eva Scherson A coalition of nationally visible Republicans have chosen to abandon their own party and back a Conservative party candidate in a special election in upstate New York. The split reveals a growing tension between Republicans concerned about regaining power and those whose mission is to impose a hardline conservative agenda on the nation. These two groups are now engaged in an increasingly hostile struggle for the soul of the Republican party. The band of conservative Republican “rogues” —which includes Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, Dick Armey, Rick Santorum, and Michelle Bachman— has put its weight behind 3rd party challenger Doug Hoffman, citing his more conservative stance on certain issues. They reject the Republican party’s nominee Dierdre Scozzafava, saying her pro-choice position on abortion and her support for gay marriage rights make her indistinguishable from her Democratic opponent. This is, of course, not strictly true: Scozzafava is a New York Republican, and Palin, Thompson, and Santorum —each of whom would be far from a presidential primary favorite in their own state— want to impose a radical form of what they call “conservative values” on the voters of New York. Michelle Bachman is simply notorious for her inability to deal in facts —she claimed on the floor of the House of Representatives, for instance, that Pres. Obama was planning to confine American children to concentration camps for socialist “reeducation”. Scozzafava, however, has the backing of the Republican party, is running only four percentage points behind her Democratic rival, and is being endorsed by the likes of Newt Gingrich, hardly a dyed in the wool liberal or appeaser of Democrats. Steve Forbes, also uniquely talented at losing presidential primaries, has also come out in favor of Hoffman, citing his “small government, tax-cutting” policy preferences. We know Forbes has a radical next-to-zero government agenda and wants to sharply reduce the tax burden in the wealthy, something really not of mainstream appeal in these times of radical financial malfeasance and economic hardship. And Dick Armey, well, he could be blamed for thinking Texas and New York are or should ever be similar electoral ground. Are New Yorkers supposed to take their cues from a Texan hardliner? The Democratic candidate, Bill Owens, is a lawyer in Plattsburgh and a retired Air Force captain. A recent poll showed him garnering 33% of voters’ support, while Scozzafava is at 29% and Conservative party candidate Hoffman trails at 23%. John McHugh, the Congressman whose seat was left vacant when he became secretary of the Army, is a Republican, which explains why the combined support for Scozzafava and Hoffman outstrips that enjoyed by Owens, but the result of the party split might be that a Democrat takes the seat. This appears to be of little concern to the coalition of hardline self-described “conservatives”, who claim their support for Hoffman is a matter of principle and of core “Republican values”. The Republican party, apparently, is not fit to assess or to support its own core values, and the Palin-Bachman-Santorum wing of the party is apparently convinced the party cannot be trusted anymore to represent their brand of conservatism. This heralds the most visible electoral split to date in the Republican party, hampered by years of failing fortunes, the perception of widespread corruption among the leadership, indifference to the plight of average Americans, and confusion over whether to be more moderate to recapture the political center held by Obama and the Democrats or more conservative, in an effort to show they can be more conservative. Political watchers have for years speculated that a split between more conservative and more moderate Republicans was in the offing, and raised questions about whether such a split could hasten the demise of a party whose ideas are out of step with the problems of this historical moment. For instance: could the conservative “values-based” wing of the party splinter off to form an expanded Conservative party or a “Christian Republican” bloc? Could the moderates co-opt some Democratic issues in an effort to be the new Republicans, as Clinton led the new Democrats and Tony Blair new Labour in the UK? More importantly, will the splintering of one of the two major parties open the terrain for the rise of a third party? Obviously, the Palin-Bachman-Santorum gang wants to see a strengthened Conservative party, possibly a new home for their own questionable political futures, but what about a third party with broader appeal on economic issues? This publication recently surveyed the problem in a lengthy piece analyzing both the Republican party’s problem with increasingly intolerant rhetoric, in some cases bordering on language of incitement to violence, and a split in priorities and principles which could lead to the rise of a third party, perhaps a Green-Libertarian coalition. The Green-Lib coalition, writes J.E. Robertson, would emerge to fill the center-left gap left open if the Democratic party really establishes itself as the party of the center, because the Democratic party is the party defending the system it has built, in essence a kind of conservative option among mainstream parties. The Republican party appears headed for the far right fringe, as moderates find it increasingly difficult to win national support or local primaries. With Owens leading in the upstate New York polling, the Republican split could mean the Democrats pick up yet another seat, expanding their massive majority in the House by one more vote. While the rogues are treating the New York special election as if it were the moment to make a stand on “core values”, they are also treating it like a throw-away election, assuming a loss will not hurt the party. But if the loss comes because Hoffman spoils the race for Scozzafava, and the establishment Republicans see the rogues’ interference as an affront to the party and an assault on their political agenda, there will be a backlash. Campaign aides to Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid have already said a Palin presidential bid would be “catastrophic” and an electoral “disaster” for the party, a sign of long-term decline. This aggressive attack on the party’s electoral chances in a district it would be expected to retake will give fodder to critics inside and outside the Republican party who say extreme conservatives cannot be trusted to represent the party nationally or to help in the practical work of winning elections and/or governing. Conservatism as painted by Palin, Bachman and Santorum will be seen as just another ideological hard-core, unfit for the demands of effective public service, and the party will see its moderate/hardliner rift widened.
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#1. To: Brian S (#0)
The left/right shell games continue on.
The Republican Party in Texas and the South is now almost entirely made up of Southern Baptists and similar "Bible bangers" (as the Brits call them). You can't reason with fundamentalists of any religion. They also don't care if they can't win. They won't "compromise with evil" (in their world view) so as to be able to put together a winning coalition. That's also why in the last few cycles they "won," they had to do so through touchscreen manipulation and other such trickery. Finally, Pastor Dubya proved to be such a disaster that not even that could rescue them at the polls. When the economy became the issue, that also hurt the Baptists. It took them off their game, which was to discuss "values" issues almost exclusively. They have no clue what to do about the economy. I'd say no one does, really, because the country is bankrupt, continuing to hemorrhage jobs by the hundreds of thousands per month and embroiled in permanent occupations abroad finaanced by borrowed or printed money. There's no obvious way out of this, short of collective national suicide or (as Cheney seemed to fancy) just firing off all the nukes to end it all (which the "Bible bangers" also are intrigued by, given their fascination with the "endtimes" and the "Rapture").
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Despite the hundreds of thousands in Iraq that GWBush personally murdered ... we can surmise his death knell to the GOP shall have a far more enduring effect upon the American People and the world around us.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Lod... All of the above is strictly for the rubes that go along with "party" politics. It is like show and tell. When they start talking "moderates", you know you need hip boots.
How I read this article is: The power elite is getting increasingly frustrated by all these people who won't vote as they're told. With greater frequency people are seeing through the 1 1/2 party sham and puppet show. This is most distressing is not at all according to plan and so they must be discredited. Oh, and translation: Moderate Republican - a Republican that votes like a Liberal Democrat.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Ya gotta be shittin me !!!
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
OI, I must admit politicians firmly believe that voters are stupid, and they are correct. They hang out a different wash every week and the rubes take it all in. A few weeks ago Santorum had an OP-ED in a Pittsburgh paper along with an email addy for comments. I assume some lackey read it but just maybe he passed it on.
You think we have seen this turkey before?????
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Does anyone here really believe that there will be any changes without our going to the third box? I honestly don't.
Unless someone comes out front and says...THIRD PARTY...all the way, Americans should ignore them.
Perot had a shot at it, until he got the message, and went kinda loopie on us. But had he not withdrawn, then re-entered, I believe that he had a chance. George Wallace had a chance, until he received his message. Reagan got in and had a chance, until his message was delivered. Deadly serious business at that level of the game.
It has no soul - only military authoritarian worship and monopoly corporatism.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" True and BIZARRE.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Unless someone can assure me my electronic ballot is counted, I'll continue to sit this crap out. Nudge me when the lead begins to fly.
To participate is this electoral fraud is to give this government legitimacy.
Me three, Alfalfa. I done been had for the last time.
This is something I wanted to pass on to you. Most likely you already are aware of it, still something to do with the military. In the 1930s as Hitler and Stalin prepared for war, both were stymied by their military, both wanted no war. Hitler fired and retired those generals that were not war mongers. Stalin took it a step further and shot a majority of his generals and admirals that wanted no war. Both threatened the replacements with being shot if they did not toe the line. Yes, the military does the killing and dying, but it is governments that make war.
Where does Ron and Rand Paul stand on this man's candidacy? (standing back to avoid the flash from the explosion):)
same with the leaders of the democrat party
Ron Paul is a certified staunch republican, his son is running as a republican for Senator. Birds of a feather. I have had no more Rand Paul calls since the wife threatened to castrate them. hehehehe
hehehehehe I'm removing you from my Daily Paul email list.
Let's give em eight years, if we can survive that. There is a beast amoungst us we need to slaughter. And we are not sure who it is.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Most excellent observation tonight. My hat is off to you Sir as a self thinking man.
there's no way this beast will last another eight years.
You and tom are very profound tonite.
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
#3. To: Brian S (#0)
#4. To: Lod (#1)
a growing tension between Republicans concerned about regaining power and those whose mission is to impose a hardline conservative agenda on the nation.
#5. To: Cynicom, Lod (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#4)
a hardline conservative agenda
#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)
Oh, and translation: Moderate Republican - a Republican that votes like a Liberal Democrat.
#8. To: noone222 (#6)
Ya gotta be shittin me !!!
#9. To: Lod (#1)
#10. To: Eric Stratton. everyone here (#9)
#11. To: Lod (#10)
I honestly don't.
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
#13. To: Brian S (#0)
struggle for the soul of the Republican party.
#14. To: Sam Houston (#2)
There's no obvious way out of this, short of collective national suicide or (as Cheney seemed to fancy) just firing off all the nukes to end it all (which the "Bible bangers" also are intrigued by, given their fascination with the "endtimes" and the "Rapture").
#15. To: Cynicom (#11)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
Unless someone can assure me my electronic ballot is counted,
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
I'll continue to sit this crap
#18. To: randge (#17)
Me three, Alfalfa.
#19. To: Cynicom (#18)
#20. To: tom007 (#13)
It has no soul - only military authoritarian worship and monopoly corporatism.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#22. To: Cynicom (#21)
#23. To: christine (#20)
ame with the leaders of the democrat party
#24. To: tom007, All (#23)
There is a beast amoungst us we need to slaughter. And we are not sure who it is.
#25. To: tom007 (#23)
Let's give em eight years, if we can survive that.
#26. To: christine, Tom007 (#25)
there's no way this beast will last another eight years.
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