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Title: Hitchens: Christianity Is A Fraud If It’s Not Literally True
Source: RAW STORY
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/2009/10/hitchens-christianity-fraud/
Published: Oct 26, 2009
Author: By David Edwards and Daniel Tencer
Post Date: 2009-10-26 11:32:20 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 3278
Comments: 98

If the story of Jesus Christ isn't literally true, then Christianity is a fraud that promotes "a positively wicked doctrine," conservative writer Christopher Hitchens told Fox & Friends Monday morning.

Hitchens, an avowed atheist whose 2007 book God is Not Great attempts to divorce conservatism from religious teachings, discussed the role of religion in American society in the wake of a recent study (PDF) that shows the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has roughly doubled in the past two decades, from 8.2 percent in 1990 to 15 percent in 2008.

The study, conducted by Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut, predicts that a full one-quarter of Americans will have no religious affiliation by 2028. The study notes that the number of non-believers among younger people is considerably higher than among older people, suggesting that the trend of Americans growing less religious will continue in coming years.

Those people who claim no religious affiliation are "not all atheists by any means," Hitchens told host Gretchen Carlson. "They're just people who don't attend a church, don't have a faith. I think it's fair to call them agnostics. The number of people, like myself, who think religion is false, that it's a delusion and that it's bad for you, is still pretty small."

Hitchens said Americans are increasingly turning against organized religion "because they want to push back against theocracy and the parties of God and the awful challenge they pose to us internationally."

"By the way, your side seems to be winning in public schools, at least across America," Carlson told Hitchens.

Hitchens appeared on Fox with pastor Douglas Wilson, who appeared along with Hitchens in the recent documentary Collision, which explores the battle of ideas between the religious and the non-religious.

The two came to an unexpected agreement on one issue: They both attacked the notion, popular among some secular thinkers, that Christianity is a socially positive thing even if it's not true.

"If Jesus didn't come back from the dead, then Christianity is appalling, it's an appalling fraud and delusion and every unbeliever should attack it," Wilson said. "Christianity is not good for the world because it makes people decent and sober and that sort of thing. At the end of the day, if it's not true, if it's not objectively true, then I don't have any more use for it than Christopher does."

Hitchens echoed that idea, but made it clear he does actually consider Christianity a fraud.

"They say, well the Bible story's not really true, they're morality tales. Don't listen to it, because if it's based on a fraud, if the virgin birth and the resurrection and the miracles did not occur, which they did not, then those teachings are immoral, they teach that sins can be forgiven by throwing them on to a scapegoat -- a positively wicked doctrine."

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#5. To: Brian S (#0)

Hitchens .......made it clear he does actually consider Christianity a fraud.

That's his problem.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-10-26   12:50:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)

Hitchens .......made it clear he does actually consider Christianity a fraud.

That's his problem.

God would NOT be laughing over Hitchens like that..more like sadness.

I would not want to pay homage to a god that laughs like that over "lost sheep"

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-10-26   13:04:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: belmontconservative (#8)

If he were truly "Lost", yes, God would be sad, but IMO, Hitchens is not "Lost". It's not like he has never had the opportunity to hear of Him here in America. He has REJECTED Christ, and joined the forces of ANTI-Christ [FOX et al] : Murdoch & Parents are Knights; Fox is Brit PR Branch!

memes.org/pakistan-britis...rents-fox-new-just-pr-fox

....and THE US IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY/CORPORATION....

.... and Britain is owned by the Vatican (at 8:21)....you'll see the Union Jack superimposed on the Vatican phallus symbol at 8:24....this needs to be updated because the Banksters of the City of London took over the Vatican in 1823....Therefore, Hitchens is one of the heathens/nations/kings/rulers/judges that rage [conspire, plot] against Christ, Christians, and His holy Mount Zion (Which is not in Palestine).

KJV He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

bible.cc/psalms/2-4.htm

His words, not mine, but I appreciate what you are saying.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-10-26   13:39:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)

I have a question. How does importing tens of millions of muslims into Europe benefit the Vatican?

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-10-26   13:41:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PaulCJ (#12)

How does importing tens of millions of muslims into Europe benefit the Vatican?

Islam is a tool of the Vatican.

Search [or see below]: The Vatican created Islam. [Warning: The David Icke article shut down my computer]. The purpose is to destroy the true church. Druid, Freemason, and Zionist Prince Charles [and closet Papist like cousin George Washington? http://watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html ] is supposed to be the Defender of the [true] Christian faith. Now he is the "Defender of the FaithS", including Islam. [search].

I just remembered this:

"Neo-British Empire of the Crown -- 500 Year Chronology

....B. Allied International Organisms: Islam and Judaism.

At the height of its power in the 14th Century, the "Old Order" of Christendom succeeded in expelling the Islamic Moors from Spain and subjecting the previously elite Jews of Spain to the Inquisition. The expelled Jews and Moors formed widely dispersed "Cabalistic" and "Sufi" commercial/intellectual networks that could be "organized" (literally!) and utilized by the NBE in subduing and replacing the "old order" of Christendom with a paradoxical "modern" mystical/scientific world order. International Islam and Judaism, in spite of the antagonism to each other, are, through financial and secret society penetration, allied to the "Crown" against Christendom.

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Editor's Note: Lloyd Miller asked me to note here that it is now clear that the Vatican has had considerable success in cozying-up to Islam based on a shared antipathy to secularism, modernism, birth control, etc. Revision needed! ----James Daugherty

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Needless to say, the "Crown" cannot always count on voluntary alliance and must resort to balance of power tactics to keep these organisms vulnerable and, thus, subject to use. ....."

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/update03.htm

The "NWO" may hope to join the world into One under the Pope:

"....THE POPE AND ONE WORLD RELIGION / GOVERNMENT
Pope Calls for a United Europe
Pope Calls for a New Age of Peace and Harmony
Pope John Paul II to Climb Mount Sinai with Jewish and Moslem Leaders [This is the article I wanted, and would link to it, but I am afraid it might shut down my computer. This was a major mistake on their part IMO. You will know them by their fruits! bible.cc/galatians/4-24.htm / http://kingjbible.com/galatians/4.htm verses 21-31!].
The Pope Supports Evolution

ECUMENICALISM BETWEEN CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS....."

http://www.hebroots.org/babylon/babylon.html [probably a crypto-Jewish site]

The Pope also supports the antiChrist/antiChristian "Noahide Laws" [call for the beheading of Christians. See www.realjewnews.com/?p=193 .... should be a wake-up call to all Catholics: ISLAM, JUDAISM, AND ROMAN CATHOLICISM CALL FOR BEHEADING CHRISTIANS. What's wrong with this picture?]

I have heard the NWO plot has the Pope playing the role of "the Antichrist":

THE POPE IS DECLARED TO BE A "PROPER RECEPTOR TO THE NEW AGE ... Subtitle: The Director of the House of Theosophy, Bill Lambert, declares that the Roman Catholic Pope is going to be a "proper receptor" to the Antichrist ... http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/RC104.htm

Charles, Defender of Faiths:

Charles and the Microchip Implant
"Defender of the Faith" to be changed to the plural "Defender of Faiths". ... it has been confirmed that he converted to Islam in Turkey about 1993. He ... Prince Charles: The Sustainable Prince by Joan Veon (160 pages) ... http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9807/980722_g.html

Sheeple Tract Backup
Prince Charles is the ONLY person in the world to whom "And the dragon gave him .... Joan Veon has done extensive research on the United Nations and their ... http://www.moresureword.com/shpleBU.htm

HOW THE VATICAN CREATED ISLAM

David Icke Website - 'How the Vatican created Islam'
Apr 13, 2006 ... How the Vatican created Islam. The astonishing story from an ex-Jesuit priest, Alberto Rivera, which was told to him by Cardinal Bea while ... http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/745/42/ [WARNING: SHUT DOWN MY WEBSITE]

How the Vatican Created Islam
Aug 4, 2007 ... What I'm going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction. http://www.scribd.com/doc/222227...the-Vatican-Created-Islam

The Vatican and Islam. Many of his writings are locked up in the secret archives of the Vatican. He should be considered the real father of Islam. Ruins of Hippo Regius. ... http://www.reformation.org/vatican-and-islam.html

The Vatican created Islam, and the Vatican [Roman Catholic Church] is "baptized 'Judaism'":

See Mystery Babylon the Great: Catholic or Jewish? http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

Islam, Roman Catholicism, "British-Israel", and 'Christian' Zionism, are just some of the many faces of Talmudic Judaism, which is the religion of the Pharisees, which is the underlying religion of the NWO.

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THE WAR THE LAMB WINS
In THE WAR THE LAMB WINS the ultimate Truth bomb is armed and ready. ... The god of the Talmud is the opposite of Jesus. One must go. ... http://www.fixedearth.com/the_bible/lambwins.html

What follows is an excerpt of a Four Part.... Judaism vs Christianity: The War The Lamb Wins. ... http://www.fixedearth.com/talmud.html

The
Even more--when it is further known that the Pharisee Talmud/Kabbala ... http://www.fixedearth.com/Theistic%20Evol%20Swan%20Song.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-10-26   16:08:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)

Islam is a tool of the Vatican.

Search [or see below]: The Vatican created Islam. [Warning: The David Icke article shut down my computer]. The purpose is to destroy the true church.

So which church is the "true" church? Don't tell me. The one you belong to right?

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-10-26   19:41:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Hayek Fan (#35)

So which church is the "true" church? Don't tell me. The one you belong to right?

I don't belong to one, because I haven't found one yet that preaches the gospel according to the Bible.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-10-27   12:41:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#76)

I don't belong to one, because I haven't found one yet that preaches the gospel according to the Bible.

Then I guess Jesus was a liar because he is the one said "I am with you always." He didn't say, I am with you until the Apostles die off and then I'm gonna split for a couple of thousand years and let you figure things out on your own. He is the one who established a Church in the first place, and no a church Isn't "wherever two people meet in my name," for if it were then Paul would not have wrote to Timothy what the leadership of the Church should look like and how to go about picking that leadership.

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