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Title: Tax refugees staging escape from New York
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NEW YORK POST
URL Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ ... pe_from_qb4pItQ71UXIc0i6cd3UpK
Published: Oct 27, 2009
Author: ANDY SOLTIS
Post Date: 2009-10-27 10:30:39 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 428
Comments: 38
New Yorkers are fleeing the state and city in alarming numbers -- and costing a fortune in lost tax dollars, a new study shows. More than 1.5 million state residents left for other parts of the United States from 2000 to 2008, according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy. It was the biggest out-of-state migration in the country. The vast majority of the migrants, 1.1 million, were former residents of New York City -- meaning one out of seven city taxpayers moved out. "The Empire State is being drained of an invaluable resource -- people," the report said. What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes. Overall, the ex-New Yorkers earn about 13 percent more than those who moved into the state, the study found. And it should be no surprise that the city -- and Manhattan in particular -- suffered the biggest loss in terms of taxable income. The average Manhattan taxpayer who left the state earned $93,264 a year. The average newcomer to Manhattan earned only $72,726. That's a difference of $20,538, the highest for any county in the state. Staten Island was second, with a $20,066 difference. It all adds up to staggering loss in taxable income. During 2006-2007, the "migration flow" out of New York to other states amounted to a loss of $4.3 billion. The study used annual US Census reports, which showed which states had increased population, combined with Internal Revenue Service data, which show which states, cities and counties had lost people. While New York City and the state were the losers, the Sunshine and Garden States were winners. more than 250,000 New Yorkers who lived in and around the city fled to Florida. Another 172,000 city taxpayers ended up in New Jersey. Why all the moving vans? The center, part of the conservative Manhattan Institute, blames the state's high cost of living and high taxes. The study also revealed surprising details about how city residents moved from borough to borough. Manhattan lost 64,480 taxpayers, and more than half -- 34,383 -- went to The Bronx. Brooklyn lost 68,951 taxpayers -- including 43,688 who went to Staten Island. The study also had some good news. The peak loss of New Yorkers was in 2005, when nearly 250,000 residents left the state. But last year, only 126,000 left, the lowest figure over the eight-year period. andy.soltis@nypost.com
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#1. To: noone222 (#0)
More than 1.5 million state residents left for other parts of the United States from 2000 to 2008, according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy. It was the biggest out-of-state migration in the country. The vast majority of the migrants, 1.1 million, were former residents of New York City -- meaning one out of seven city taxpayers moved out. "The Empire State is being drained of an invaluable resource -- people," the report said. What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes. This is what happens when a third world cesspool is created.
Call ROTO-ROOTER ... and away go troubles down the drain.
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
And why the hell not? "Give us your tired, your rich,
Hahahahaha !!! Carpetbaggers !
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
my first thought too. we've got enough of our share of "immigrants."
The carpetbaggers came to feast on the devastation of a South prostrate in defeat. Texas today is a great bulwark of the American economy, which is currently in decline. It is alone the 15th largest economy in the world. This state will continue to attract capital and labor because of its natural advantages and the temper and industry of its people. Those looking for a handout won't come here. They'll shuffle off to California. Those looking for work will come this way. Cheers.
Less that 50% of Texas is white. In a decade, that number will grow by 10-15%. It chased me out of NYC, so depending on your age and ability, make contingency plans for the future.
Hey now! We've considered relocating to Texas (from Ohio). What's not to like about a family of higly educated libertarian professionals?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Come on down, brother! You'll forget them Buckeye blues in the Texas sunshine.
Howdy pardner ! Man, from all I've been learning about recent developments in Ohio ... I'd have departed already !
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
Serious question, how is the secessionist movement/sentiment progressing there? The toss up for us is between New Hampshire and Texas, with a strong advantage to Texas. First because it's not located on the east coast (hate that accent, and we'd be surrounded in NH) and second because Texas is sounding like it's yelling louder and louder for secession. I actually wasn't kidding, and have mentioned it on other boards, we're really interested in pulling up stakes and going to Texas. Ohio is great, as far as people go, very friendly. The biggest anti-government movements right now are coming from two places, Ohio and Texas. Of the two, Texas is going to win, Ohio is going to be consumed (in my estimation).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
How do you like hotter-than-hell summers?? Me, I'm one of those who thrive on heat, others wilt in it.
_________________________________________________________________________ That was enuff for me ! Pick a nice little town.
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
Fiddle-dee-dee!!! Tara, Tara.....
_________________________________________________________________________ I can learn to adjust to them. I was stationed in Texas during the 1980's, managed to not die and even had quite a bit of fun, enjoyed the hell out of the native Texans as well, nice folks. To be honest I love winters, I'm a winter kind of guy, but seasons are less important to me than liberty. If I want snow, I'll get a passport out of the hopefully newly minted Republic of Texas and visit the foreign country Colorado. :)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Ditto !!!
The U.S. Govt has become a tyrannical butcher; U.S. taxpayers are accomplices to international murder and mayhem. If you satisfy your fears by bowing to this butcher, you forfeit your humanity and possibly your soul.
Texas is a good place to be.
Indiddly do it is. You'll have to excuse our monotone midwest accents, but otherwise we'd fit in like a baby in a blanket. Plus, we come pre-armed with a large array of firearms (Ohio is still very gun friendly). How is the economy there anyway (serious question)? Not wanting to live around Dallas or any really large city.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Lots of establishment ass-kissers here like there are everywhere, but I find that most ordinary folks are open to anti-government sentiment, and I hear a lot of it unbidden from regular citizens of all stripes.
www.texasahead.org/economy/outlook.html Central Texas is faring much better than are some other parts of the country.
Looking at the site now, thanks for the link! Yeah, central seems to be the best place to be. The ocean facing coasts seem too risky hurricane wise, and the panhandle used to be a haven of near poverty when I lived there in the mid 1980's.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Screw you guys. I can move anywhere I want. :p But, just to ease your concerns, I chose southern Mo. They will be benefiting from my rabid libertarianism and my ammo supply.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo And since California is the state with THE largest economy in the US....and 7th in the world. We manage to find room for the rejects originating from other states.
you're leaving NY?
If the education included law school, you might get shot at...
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo I have land in Mo. I'll be leaving NY in ten years if it lasts that long.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo Sir, I'm an honorable man and would never stoop to the practice of law! You just about got challenged to a duel at dawn for that remark! :)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Watch it. I'm quick and deadly accurate.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo 7th and falling fast. You're paying public employees with IOUs, and you're broke as a spavined mule.
And your state had a recession in the eighties caused by just one commodity that most other states missed. So what? We have been seventh about forever even with all the flotsam and jetsam that comes just from your state. The Pubby governors are notorious here for mismanaging the economy. The first IOU I took was under Pete Wilson.
So this state has radically diversified its economy that's what. Enjoy your State of Bankruptcy.
We evidently never learn as we keep electing Pubby governors with their dreams of government expansion and increased regulation.
Say what? California Republican Governors are hamstrung to do much of anything in this state because of the wild-eyed socialist tax and spend Dem Party's strangle hold all these years on the State Legislature. The only weapon a pubbie Gov has to use against these Dem Party Leninist crackpots is his line item veto pen. The Dems have scared off business and investment in this state with high taxes. The Dems are trying to make it impossible for struggling small cities to declare banqruptcy to have the excessive CAL PERS union contracts re-negotiated. The only thing the Dems are good for is welcoming in riff-raff from other states and illegals with great soc/welfare perks (second only to NY) because these folks represent future Dem Party voters.
More than 1.5 million state residents left for other parts of the United States from 2000 to 2008, according to the report from the Empire Center for New York State Policy. It was the biggest out-of-state migration in the country. The vast majority of the migrants, 1.1 million, were former residents of New York City -- meaning one out of seven city taxpayers moved out. "The Empire State is being drained of an invaluable resource -- people," the report said. What's worse is that the families fleeing New York are being replaced by lower-income newcomers, who consequently pay less in taxes. This is what happens when a third world cesspool is created. This is what happens when a state raises taxes to the point that it makes it worth people's while to move elsewhere in their own best interests.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
LOL so all those land conservancies were the Dems ideas? Well yes..... because Ahnold is really a Dem and Pete Wilson was fairly close to one himself. And the cities enjoyed that CAL PERS strength in numbers protection during the good times, yet no one made them join it.
I believe they call it voting with one's feet.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo I believe they call it voting with one's feet. Well, when you can go somewhere else and earn less gross but have more take-home you may name it as you will. The bottom line is that under a regime of confiscatory taxation, as in New York, sane people eventually reach a point where they say "no more" and leave. California is experiencing a similar drain - of both people and businesses. As Economist Arthur Laffer pointed out more than 20 years ago at some point "X" taxes have been raised to the point where continuing to raise them results in lower tax collections. At 100% you receive zero collections because it is no longer in anyone's interest to work or produce and all economic activity goes "underground". Excessive taxation removes the incentive to work, as in all socialist systems where unequal rewards exist i.e., the less productive receive the same as the more productive. When you reward non-production you get non-production. Productive people who gain no reward for their extra work cease to work with the same fervor. And punitive taxation which punishes production results in people either becoming indifferent to earning a little more or, as in this case, they move to where the economic system does not punish them as severely for being productive.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
You would feel right at home in either Montana or Idaho.
New Yorkers are fleeing the state and city in alarming numbers -- and costing a fortune in lost tax dollars, a new study shows.
#2. To: PaulCJ (#1)
This is what happens when a third world cesspool is created.
#3. To: noone222 (#0)
Please do not IMMIGRATE to Texas !
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The over-taxed refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the ambitious, the state-ridden to us,
We lift our lamp beside the golden door!"
#4. To: randge (#3)
#5. To: noone222 (#0)
Please do not IMMIGRATE to Texas !
#6. To: noone222 (#4)
#7. To: randge, all (#6)
#8. To: christine, noone222 (#5)
#9. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
#10. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
Hey now! We've considered relocating to Texas (from Ohio). What's not to like about a family of higly educated libertarian professionals?
#11. To: randge, noone22 (#9)
#12. To: SonOfLiberty (#11)
The toss up for us is between New Hampshire and Texas
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#13. To: SonOfLiberty (#11)
hate that accent ...
#14. To: noone222 (#4)
Carpetbaggers !
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#15. To: X-15 (#12)
#16. To: X-15 (#12)
Me, I'm one of those who thrive on heat,
#17. To: SonOfLiberty. all (#11)
#18. To: Lod (#17)
#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#11)
#20. To: SonOfLiberty. all (#18)
From our State Comptroller - good information and outlook -
#21. To: Lod (#20)
(Edited)
#22. To: christine, noone222 (#5)
Please do not IMMIGRATE to Texas !
Let me get this straight.
#23. To: randge (#6)
Those looking for a handout won't come here. They'll shuffle off to California. Those looking for work will come this way.
#24. To: Critter (#22)
#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#8)
What's not to like about a family of higly educated libertarian professionals?
Let me get this straight.
#26. To: christine (#24)
Let me get this straight.
#27. To: Critter (#25)
If the education included law school, you might get shot at...
#28. To: SonOfLiberty (#27)
You just about got challenged to a duel at dawn for that remark! :)
Let me get this straight.
#29. To: mininggold (#23)
(Edited)
And since California is the state with THE largest economy in the US....and 7th in the world. We manage to find room for the rejects originating from other states.
#30. To: randge (#29)
7th and falling fast. You're paying public employees with IOUs, and you're broke as a spavined mule.
#31. To: mininggold (#30)
And your state had a recession in the eighties caused by just one commodity that most other states missed. So what?
#32. To: randge (#31)
So this state has radically diversified its economy that's what.
#33. To: mininggold (#30)
The Pubby governors are notorious here for mismanaging the economy.
#34. To: PaulCJ, noone222 (#1)
New Yorkers are fleeing the state and city in alarming numbers -- and costing a fortune in lost tax dollars, a new study shows.
#35. To: scrapper2 (#33)
#36. To: Original_Intent (#34)
This is what happens when a state raises taxes to the point that it makes it worth people's while to move elsewhere in their own best interests.
Let me get this straight.
#37. To: Critter (#36)
This is what happens when a state raises taxes to the point that it makes it worth people's while to move elsewhere in their own best interests.
#38. To: SonOfLiberty (#15)
To be honest I love winters, I'm a winter kind of guy, but seasons are less important to me than liberty.
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