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Title: HEALTH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AMERICANS & EUROPEANS
Source: doctorwascher.com
URL Source: http://doctorwascher.com/Archives/2-22-09.htm
Published: Feb 22, 2009
Author: Robert A. Wascher, MD, FACS
Post Date: 2009-11-02 16:41:11 by Destro
Keywords: None
Views: 2222
Comments: 150

By, Robert A. Wascher, MD, FACS

Last Updated: 02/22/2009

HEALTH DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AMERICANS & EUROPEANS

I have commented before about the striking discordance between the amount of money that we spend on health care in the United States and the health outcomes that we achieve with all of those dollars. At more than $2 trillion dollars per year, or more than $7,000 per citizen per year, the U.S. spends more on health care than virtually every other country in the world. One would, therefore, assume that all of those trillions of health care dollars would translate into a globally unsurpassed level of health and wellbeing in America. However, one would actually be mistaken in this assumption, as the United States lags behind many other countries of the world, including a few relatively underdeveloped countries, in several very important public health benchmarks. As if this were not bad enough, the world’s richest nation has an estimated 47 million uninsured citizens, with millions more possessing utterly inadequate health insurance coverage (millions of us in this country are just one serious illness away from financial ruin).

Health care reform in the United States continues to be a political “third rail,” although virtually all stakeholders are in agreement that our healthcare system is dysfunctional and inefficient, and that it offers the American people very poor value for their money. However, there is considerable disagreement regarding the root causes that underlie the acknowledged deficiencies in our health care system, which means that there is also pervasive disagreement regarding the best interventions to undertake. Amidst the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, and with no end in sight to the ongoing Not-Quite-As-Great-Depression, it is unclear whether or not the fledgling Obama Administration will be able to assemble the political capital and the will to wade into the treacherous waters of health care reform within the foreseeable future.

A new research study, just published in the American Journal of Public Health, provides a rather stark comparison between the health status of rich and poor adults in the United States and Europe. In this study, more than 17,000 adults between the ages of 50 and 74 years were interviewed from among 10 European countries. Nearly 7,000 Americans of similar age were also interviewed for this study. The researchers assessed these 24,000 middle-aged and elderly adults for 6 chronic illnesses that are commonly accepted as indicators of the overall health of a society.

In general, the American adults reported poorer overall health than their European counterparts. While the differences in health between the two groups of adults were, not surprisingly, more pronounced among poorer patients, even the wealthier Americans reported more problems with their health when compared to wealthy Europeans. At the same time, the gap in health status between rich and poor was much smaller among Europeans than was observed among the American patients who participated in this study. (As a striking example of the health disparities between Americans and Europeans, heart disease, the number one cause of death in most developed countries, was present in 18 percent of Americans, but in only 11 percent of Europeans, in this study.)

This study puts some important numbers on health trends that have become increasingly obvious over the past few decades. When comparing health outcomes between two populations of patients that live in similarly modern, industrialized, and western societies, the United States fares very poorly, indeed.

Our nation’s focus on disease prevention is haphazard and poorly executed, resulting in unacceptably high rates of preventable diseases and disease-related complications. Rather than investing our nation’s wealth in disease prevention and screening programs, we, instead, backload our inefficient and byzantine health care system with trillions of dollars, every year, to treat the complications of diseases that are, in many cases, almost entirely preventable. European countries spend, on average, only 50 to 60 percent as much on health care, per capita, as we do here in the United States, and yet their health outcomes frequently exceed ours in multiple critical areas of public health.

While we may not all agree on every detail, almost all of us agree that our health care system is fundamentally broken, and that we cannot go on with “business as usual” any longer. Despite the ongoing implosion of the economy, we must somehow find the will and the foresight to overhaul our current fractured and wasteful health care system, including a much greater emphasis on promoting healthful lifestyle habits, and improved disease prevention and screening programs. As the average age of our population continues to rise, our ongoing failure to step up to the plate and fix our dysfunctional health care system will, increasingly, cost our nation dearly.

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#4. To: Destro, christine (#0)

Oh goodie. Goldi Bans this Anti-American pervert, and now he's over here posting his Anti-American Nonsense.

The reason why Americans have poorer health, is because we work 40 Plus hours a week, just to cover the taxes of our Socialist, Traitorous Masters levy against our productivity.

Europeans work less, than we do. 30 hours a week or less, and get a mandatory month's vacation.

Why you are letting this NON-American piece of filth to post here is beyond me.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-02   19:17:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Rotara, tom007 (#4)

That's OK, tea party pig - I got Goldie banned as well.

Also, this article is written by an American doctor and former Army colonel: In 2006, Dr. Wascher retired from the Army at the rank of Colonel, and was appointed as the Director of the Division of Surgical Oncology at Newark Beth Israel Medical Center, and as a Clinical Associate Professor of Surgery at the University of Medicine & Dentistry of New Jersey.

So I guess he is an anti-America traitor to Europe as well? Loser LPer trying to make up an excuse why Dr. Wascher, a smarter and more accomplished man than you is wrong. What other trailer park wisdom are you going to throw down to discredit this accomplished doctor?

Destro  posted on  2009-11-02   21:18:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Destro (#7)

That's OK, tea party pig - I got Goldie banned as well.

I have found myself of late compelled to revisit the mission statement of Freedom4um. I am inviting each of you to do the same. I have determined that there are some here whose value system and opinions are not in keeping with, and are even detrimental, to the mission of this forum.

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=109510

You're no longer welcome here.

christine  posted on  2009-11-02   21:34:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine, Destro (#12)

You're no longer welcome here.

I think your call here is unwise, unless you want an echo chamber.

I enjoyed reading Destro's opinions and input. He backed his stuff up pretty well, including on this thread.

Whatever.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-02   22:11:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#15) (Edited)

He backed his stuff up pretty well, including on this thread.

Fred, how is it possible to 'back up pretty well' a grab by central government of nearly 20% of our GDP? The word for that is socialism, a vile form of government that shouldn't be debated, but rather rejected outright.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-02   22:17:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

I asked him three times to answer one simple question.

No answer as his agenda is so biased he cannot think outside his own little box.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-02   22:22:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#19)

No answer as his agenda is so biased he cannot think outside his own little box.

I'm certain other observers might make the same comment about you.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-02   22:25:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Fred Mertz (#22)

I'm certain other observers might make the same comment about you.

His box is larger than most all the rest of us.

We should pay attention, and try to understand, what he brings to us.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-02   22:31:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Lod (#29)

His box is larger than most all the rest of us.

He rarely fails to give an interesting perspective and make other posters think and have to back up their arguments. I don't see that as a problem to those who come prepared. Anyway... there is a Bozo filter on this site that should be used by those who need a higher comfort level.

mininggold  posted on  2009-11-02   22:51:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold, christine (#36) (Edited)

He rarely fails to give an interesting perspective and make other posters think and have to back up their arguments.

Say what?

Did Destro ever effectively back up his "interesting perspective" when challenged with facts that discredited his "interesting perspective?"

You must hold "interesting perspectives" too to appreciate Destro's childish attacks on anyone who offered evidence contrary to his pedestrian AND redundant posts. He never even bothered to read the original source material that he tried to pass off as the word from the Medical Mount. He could not answer questions about the material he posted because his research and readings were so shoddy and limited, he COULD NOT.

Please spare me your admiration of that intellectually shallow, ill-informed, socialist goose stepper.

I did not call for Destro's departure but to be honest I am not unhappy that christine reached the conclusion that Destro had no interest in making positive contributions to open and honest discussions on political issues we face today. Frankly after I saw the link to the threats a few days ago that Destro made to another political discussion forum moderator, I am now breathing a sigh of relief that Destro can't pursue his anti-free speech philosophy against this forum's moderator owner. We all are very lucky that christine offers this loosely moderated forum as a safe environment to exercise our free speech and discuss our opinions about a breadth of issues. I am more concerned about christine's continued ability to offer us this forum, than fretting about the exit of a hostile poster who offered little in the way of objective, agenda-free material.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-02   23:26:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: scrapper2 (#40)

Please spare me your admiration of that intellectually limited, ill-informed, socialist goose stepper.

Says the fascist goose stepper...

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-02   23:31:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Fred Mertz (#43)

Says the fascist goose stepper...

That Destro does get some panties in a wad. You can tell the ones that would destabilize easily in a crisis.

lolol

mininggold  posted on  2009-11-02   23:42:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold (#52)

That Destro does get some panties in a wad. You can tell the ones that would destabilize easily in a crisis.

lolol

At least the posters you allude to are women who have a valid physiological reason for wearing panties.

What's your excuse?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-02   23:52:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: scrapper2 (#55)

What's your excuse?

A - He likes to keep in touch with his feminine side.

B - He's a leftist wacko

C - All of the above

Take your pick

Flintlock  posted on  2009-11-03   0:09:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Flintlock, scrapper2 (#56)

mininggold has been on my bozo for more than a month. She is a wacko LP troll from LP who melts down when you mention anything negative about California. She insists I'm an R, despite me not having voted for them in decades. When someone, without evidence, continues to use the same line over and over, their intentions are clear. She should find Destro, and then seek out a more pleasant posting experience.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-03   8:37:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#59)

mininggold has been on my bozo for more than a month. She is a wacko LP troll from LP who melts down when you mention anything negative about California. She insists I'm an R, despite me not having voted for them in decades. When someone, without evidence, continues to use the same line over and over, their intentions are clear. She should find Destro, and then seek out a more pleasant posting experience.

The people's nest has room, that's for certain...

Rotara  posted on  2009-11-03   11:50:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Rotara, Christine (#79)

The people's nest has room, that's for certain...

JT doing the spinning as usual so you can email it.

I have never insisted it is an R but I do not consider a serial nonvoter as even having the right to a opinion much less calling other posters to commit sedition and other illegal acts, even wishing for nuclear holocaust.... as a former cop who is probably still under oath????

But being it needs Christine to come to it's rescue now and then I did have my doubts about it being male, or else it's a big donor. Something I had not wanted to think Christine capable of until yesterday.

mininggold  posted on  2009-11-03   12:01:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: mininggold (#83)

Where do you people hatch and grow ?

Rotara  posted on  2009-11-03   12:07:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Rotara (#86)

Where do you people hatch and grow ?

Now that is the best question you have asked today.

There are 130 million losers out there that did their "patriotic duty" as programmed and voted for the "loser" of their choice.

You need to bone up on the terms..GULLIBLE...NAIVE...PROGRAMMED.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-03   12:13:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Cynicom (#89)

You need to bone up on the terms..GULLIBLE...NAIVE...PROGRAMMED.

And hated by republican regulars and spinners. Just mentioning or even inferring Ron Paul often brings out the true colors of many a poster as they sidle around the dratted offender trying to disenfranchise without appearing obvious. lolol

mininggold  posted on  2009-11-03   12:29:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mininggold (#93)

And hated by republican regulars and spinners. Just mentioning or even inferring Ron Paul often brings out the true colors of many a poster as they sidle around the dratted offender trying to disenfranchise without appearing obvious. lolol

There was no "choice" beyond Paul in the last fraud election.

As time passes, it becomes more evident that Paul being just another professional politician, ran for a purpose, however not a run for president.

Paul served the "system" in that he kept any other legitimate third party candidate from getting off the ground. When his mission was complete, he folded his tent and stole back into his beloved republican party, welcomed with open arms, for a job well done.

With Paul a non factor from the opening bell, the system had scammed the process one more time.

A nation of programmed sheep is proven by what we now see happening this very day...wonder of wonders the republican most likely will awaken from the dead and move into the spotlight...

It is nothing but a shell game.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-03   12:41:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Cynicom (#95)

Paul served the "system" in that he kept any other legitimate third party candidate from getting off the ground. When his mission was complete, he folded his tent and stole back into his beloved republican party, welcomed with open arms, for a job well done.

Who were these "legitimate third party candidates" that Paul single handedly, like a super hero, kept "from getting off the ground"? And what is this "stole back to the republican party" business? Paul ran as a republican and remains a republican, far more republican that Juan McAmnesty or Mittens Romney could ever fathom with his truly small government ways and mentality.

This is the silliest arguement of Paul having dubious and sinister aspirations that I have ever heard, Cyni.

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-03   12:57:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: abraxas (#102)

This is the silliest arguement of Paul having dubious and sinister aspirations that I have ever heard, Cyni.

Lets assume you watched one of the first republican debates held in New England that played on national TV.

If indeed you watched and listened, did you find something strange that Paul was laughed off stage by several of the other pubs? Do you recall what if anything Paul said to defend himself???

The other debates played out much the same way, with Paul seemingly unconcerned by the abuse heaped upon him by his fellow republicans. Anyone remotely vetted in politics cast a jaundiced eye on such apathy.

And then out of the blue, after collecting millions of dollars from the rubes, came the Trotski memo. What an oddity that was. Paul went to great extreme to profess his fidelity to the republican party and he would always remain a republican. How odd, he quit to "fight" for his seat in congress. He won easily as usual.

Now Paul is allowing his son to use his donor mailing lists to solicit more millions for his run for the Senate. Total loss of integrity there.

Politics is a dirty business and regardless of what they say, each and everyone of them are professional politicians.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-03   13:34:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Cynicom (#109) (Edited)

And then out of the blue, after collecting millions of dollars from the rubes, came the Trotski memo. What an oddity that was. Paul went to great extreme to profess his fidelity to the republican party and he would always remain a republican. How odd, he quit to "fight" for his seat in congress. He won easily as usual.

But, Cynicom, as I recall, Ron Paul stated right from the start that he was not planning to run as anything but as a GOP Pres candidate. He made it abundantly clear that he would not be switching to run as a Third Party Pres candidate so that meant he was willing to ride out the predictable back stabbing from his own party to get media exposure for his conservative ideas. He also made no bones about the fact that of the 2 national parties we currently have, he identified more closely with the GOP.

The fact that in current federal elections, conservative candidates are actually challenging GOP anointed RINO ones, is not accidental - I think it comes from Ron Paul's GOP Pres candidacy run - he has given courage to other conservatives within the GOP who would otherwise be silent, and that in itself is quite an accomplishment.

I'm guessing this is what Ron Paul came to realize over the years he's served in Congress - ie. that this nation will continue to have a 2 party political system for many many years to come and of the 2 parties the one that might have an iota of hope for reform from within is the GOP, and not the Dem Party. You can argue that this type of thinking may seem too pragmatic or too pessimistic, but I don't think you can label it a double cross or a betrayal or Trotsky-like. Ron Paul ran his GOP Pres candidacy campaign as long as he could. He called it quits when the numbers clearly showed there was no chance and that point he focused his attentions on campaigning to retain his congressional seat. What else should he have done, in your opinion?

Regarding Ron Paul's call for donations, paying for a Pres candidate campaign is an incredibly expensive undertaking. Are you suggesting that Ron Paul profited personally from the donations he collected - that he didn't use the $ to pay off the campaign debts he had accumulated?

Regarding Ron Paul's son using his father's donor list, it's to be expected - Rand is an aspiring politician - where else would he start to find potential donors for a platform that is based on conservative principles he shares with his Dad?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-03   14:42:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: scrapper2, Jethro tull, randge, All (#111)

Anyone that seriously concerns themselves with politics has to sweep from their minds those arcane labels that are so easily applied to politicians.

Left, right, lib, con, moderate, extremist and of course republican and democrat. All of those labels are used for a purpose, in theory, to assure the voters that there are differences across the political spectrum. In practice, ALL politicians have but one goal in mind, the possession of power, no exceptions.

If acceptance of that premise is not possible, any further study will be flawed. My political awakening was way back, when the most used terms were dem and pub, and Eisenhower was considering running for president. Both major political parties overwhelmingly offered Ike the candidacy on a silver platter, with NO pre conditions, with NO examination of his views, none.

Mind you, both major parties were made up of all those labels above, left, right etc etc, yet no one asked what label Ike was under, no one. How was this possible entered my mind. The answer is really quite simple, all of those labels are there to program the voters, to make sure he knows dems are all bad and out to destroy capitalism and that pubs are equally bad and will aid only the super rich.

Proof you ask??? Statistics gives you the answer, do you find it odd that there is a huge difference in parties, and yet in most national elections there is but...one or two percent difference...in the total vote count???? Just perhaps it is manufactured that way??? Just perhaps there are a few people staging the entire charade.

I had doubt about "parties" from that time on. Ike as a pub had his turn, then it went to the dems for eight years, then back to pubs for eight years, with few exceptions it is akin to a pendulum. Evenly balanced, back and forth, very nicely orchestrated, fifty fifty, with the voters fully convinced they are making a choice.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-03   16:06:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Cynicom, abraxas, Jethro tull, randge, All (#112)

What you say, Cynicom, is true and as you point out has been known for a long time - both parties are slimey and corrupt and have become more similar than dissimilar.

BUT as abraxas pointed out, and I agree with abraxas, whether we like it or not, our nation is based on a 2 party system. Ron Paul years ago thought that a Third Party was viable and he quickly found out he was wrong. And he came to the realization that the system is what it is - he did not create it but he needed to work within it in order for his conservative ideals to have any hope of seeing the light of day in the public political theater. Ron Paul made a considered pragmatic decision that of the 2 parties, the GOP was the best vehicle to use for getting those ideals out for the public's consideration and possibly to even effect changes within the GOP party itself by attracting other conservatives.

As I stated previously, you may not like Ron Paul's decision but I don't think you can fault him for keeping his decision under raps, and only revealing his intentions to his surprised supporters at the last minute. From the get go, Ron Paul said he was planning to run as A GOP CANDIDATE and whenever he was asked if he would consider running as a Third Party candidate, he said "no." Ron Paul did not deceive his supporters but some had hopes that he was going to eventually change his mind and were disappointed when he simply followed through on what he said he'd do.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-03   16:34:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: scrapper2, abraxas, mininggold (#116)

let me ask a question. do you believe that US presidential elections are legit or do you believe, as i do, that they are a complete fraud, and that the winner is chosen by the shadow government (years in advance, imo)?

christine  posted on  2009-11-03   16:46:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: christine (#119) (Edited)

I think the Presidential candidates of both parties are selected by very powerful movers and shakers and quite possibly there's collusion in that one party's selected candidate in recent years especially seems weaker, ensuring that the other party's candidate will win.

However, with our two party system firmly entrenched, with our electorate having become sufficiently dumbified over time through our public system and Third World immigration, and with our MSM being controlled by a handful of owners frankly the moneyed powerful people don't need to engage in collusion.

Regardless of which party's candidate wins the WH, the rich and powerful always win.

Postscript:

I don't think Pres candidates are selected years in advance, although there is "spotting" of those with potential or who have dark horse candidate possibilities years in advance eg. Obama and appropriate leg ups given to that person for upward mobility in the party hierarchy due to anticipated future return favors.

Yes, voter fraud is rampant.

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