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Title: URGENT Save on-line cigarettes, Call your Senator Now
Source: CD2U
URL Source: http://www.cd2u.org/email.html
Published: Nov 4, 2009
Author: CD2U
Post Date: 2009-11-04 12:17:04 by palo verde
Keywords: None
Views: 952
Comments: 120

By making all cigarettes nonmailable, the Senate is ensuring you will no longer be able to purchase these products by mail-order, telephone order, or over the Internet because the United States Postal Service, along with UPS, Fed-Ex and all other carriers, will be prohibited by law from delivering your orders to you.

*** URGENT - PLEASE CALL BEFORE THURSDAY ***

*** The US Senate committee will be voting this week ***

Your Senators will be voting shortly to make ALL TOBACCO PRODUCTS NON-MAILABLE!!!

WE NEED YOUR HELP TO TELL YOUR SENATORS NOT TO PASS THIS BILL !!!

(This has ALREADY BEEN PASSED in the House of Representatives !!!)

Please contact BOTH your Senators by phone, email, or regular mail.
(We have provided all of their contact information below.)

(You do NOT have to identify yourself as a smoker.)

HOW TO CONTACT YOUR SENATORS:

TELEPHONE: You can directly dial your Senators office using the number shown for them below, or you can dial 1-800-828-0498 (this is a toll-free number) to be connected with a Capitol Switchboard Operator. Simply ask the Operator to connect you with your Senators Office.

Time is crucial at this point, so a phone call is by far the best choice for contacting your Senators.

EMAIL: Simply go to each of your two Senators websites shown above and find the Senators contact form. Fill in the required information, type your message and click the "Send" button.

REGULAR MAIL: Send a letter to your Senator at their LOCAL offices nearest you. You can find the addresses for local offices on the Senators' websites or by looking in your telephone book's government section. It is important that you send your letter to your Senators' local office since mail often takes months to reach a Senator's Washington, DC office due to increased security at the Capitol.

EVERY TELEPHONE CALL, EMAIL AND LETTER MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

YOUR SENATORS NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE!

THE SITUATION: Right now there is legislation pending in the United States Senate - the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009 ("PACT Act") (S.1147) which contains, among other bad ideas, a provision to make ALL cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable. This legislation has already been passed by the House of Representatives and is currently in a Senate Committee that could send it to the Senate floor at any time for a vote!

WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU: By making all cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products nonmailable, the Senate is ensuring you will no longer be able to purchase these products by mail-order, telephone order, or over the Internet because the United States Postal Service, along with UPS, Fed-Ex and all other carriers, will be prohibited by law from delivering your orders to you. Taking away your options means forcing you back to buying over-priced tobacco products from your local retailer once again.

WHY WE NEED YOUR HELP: Native American cigarette and tobacco sellers are committed to doing everything we can to stop the PACT Act, but we need your help. Your Senators work for you and as their constituents, it is your voice and your vote that counts!

WHAT YOU CAN DO: Contact your Senators and tell them not to pass the PACT Act. Your Senators should be protecting your interests, but it is up to you to let them know what you think about the PACT Act. There are three easy ways to contact your Senators - by telephone, email, or regular mail - all of which are explained below. Every state has two Senators - please remember to contact BOTH Senators for your state. At this point time is crucial, so a phone call is by far the best means to use.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION: As an American Citizen, it is your right to let your Senators know how you feel about any action Congress takes. You elected your Senators to represent you and they can only do this if you tell them what you want. When you contact your Senator you do not need to identify yourself as a smoker or as someone who purchases cigarettes and/or smokeless tobacco products by mail-order, telephone-order, and/or the Internet. You only need to identify yourself as a resident of the state they represent.

SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PACT ACT TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR SENATORS:

THE POSTAL SERVICE: The price of stamps is being raised practically every year. The PACT Act will take an entire class of legal, non-hazardous goods and make them nonmailable. What this means is a huge loss of business (potentially hundreds of millions of dollars) for the Postal Service. Will they continue to raise the price of stamps and other mail services to compensate for their lost income? The United States Postal Service is already suffering a fiscal crisis due to the downturn in the economy. If the PACT Act is passed and millions of dollars of revenue are taken away, there could be serious consequences for consumers, including reducing the number of delivery days from 6 per week down to 5 or perhaps only 4 days per week.

COST: When the PACT Act of 2003 (S.1177) passed the Senate, the Congressional Budget Office prepared a Cost Estimate for the Bill. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the PACT Act of 2003 would cost about $140 MILLION over the 2004-2008 period to enforce. $140 Million over four years - and that estimate is already six years old. How much will the PACT Act of 2009 cost to enforce? Isn't there a better way to spend our tax dollars?

IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH YOUR SENATORS:

1. Tell your Senators that you are one of their constituents and provide an address so they know where in the state you are from. Since anyone can contact a Senator, it is important that you let your Senators know that you live and vote in their home state. Because the Senators receive so much mail, mail from their constituents always takes priority.

2. Make it clear to your Senators that you DO NOT want them to pass the PACT Act of 2009 (S.1147). Let your Senators know that if they don't support you - you won't support them.

3. This bill presents undue hardship to many smokers who are older, and shut-in with limited mobility. It is unfair to prevent them from ordering tobacco products through home delivery.

4. This bill represents discriminatory pricing as the majority of smokers are lower-income, many on a fixed income. It is discriminatory to force them to pay higher prices.

5. This bill represents discriminatory taxation as smokers were forced to pay an additional increase of more than $7 a carton in new federal taxes earlier this year.

6. This bill represents unlawful double-taxation as Internet and mail-order retailers are already collecting and paying federal and state excise taxes in the state where the tobacco is purchased.

7. This bill represents discriminatory restriction of trade towards smokers as all other lawful products can be purchased through the mail-order and through the Internet. Let your Senators know that if they don't support you - you won't support them.

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#5. To: palo verde (#0) (Edited)

Honestly, with all the things to call congress about this one ranks at the very bottom of the to do list. If I were president, king, supreme ruler, whatever you want to call it these days, you would really like me, I would outlaw all cigarettes.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-04   20:22:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: RickyJ (#5)

If I were president, king, supreme ruler, whatever you want to call it these days, you would really like me, I would outlaw all cigarettes.

What a nanny stater!!! Guns next on your agenda? No second amendment for the serfs? Maybe potato chips and chocolate and sodas? Install the food police to patrol the masses. Keep them in line with YOUR ideas about what's good for all.

You do realize this has already been attempted with alcohol, don't you? Yeah, prohibition was just so darn good for ALL. So darn effective we should try it with cigarettes any other product you deem unfit for consumption.

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-05   10:28:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas, RickyJ (#17)

What a nanny stater!!!

Most surprising. I thought I'd seen posts where he was espousing LIBERTY.

I have to get a copy of this translation book others keep refering to. Maybe I'll understand the language cause it aint english.

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-05   10:51:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: phantom patriot, RickyJ (#23)

Most surprising. I thought I'd seen posts where he was espousing LIBERTY.

Yes, I thought so too. I recall discussing the finer points of LIBERTY and FREEDOM on more than one occassion.

I wonder, will he be for the lot of us paying more taxes when there is no more sin tax to collect from cigs? Several dollars from every pack go to pay for all sorts of things that nanny state deems necessary. And shall we all throw more tax dollars at ENFORCEMENT for a newly minted Gistapo to patrol the streets of this nation for cigs, smokers and criminal gangs bringing the masses their fix?

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-05   11:13:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas, phantom patriot, Ricky J (#29) (Edited)

Most surprising. I thought I'd seen posts where he was espousing LIBERTY.

Yes, I thought so too. I recall discussing the finer points of LIBERTY and FREEDOM on more than one occassion.

Sorry, but I'm not "getting" the Paul Revere vibes emoting from this issue that you seem to be feeling.

Smokers have the freedom to buy cigarettes in a stand up store, correct?

So how does online cigarette buying being removed as an option take away smokers' freedom and liberty when 24 hour convenience stores, grocery stores, still sell cigarettes?

Can you buy everything your heart desires online? I sure can't. So is our freedom and liberty under assault because we can't buy everything online but need to go to a stand up store?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   11:26:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: scrapper2 (#34)

Smokers have the freedom to buy cigarettes in a stand up store, correct?

Yes, What is your point? There is more choice online. Tobacco that is natural and not tainted with chems. I'll bet every store will stock up on those now.

Also by buying the products individually and not manufactured we have until now been able to avoid some taxes.

All of this is really moot. They are going to create another black market that they will consider us criminals but behind the scene make profit upon.

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-05   11:35:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: phantom patriot (#37)

Yes, What is your point? There is more choice online. Tobacco that is natural and not tainted with chems. I'll bet every store will stock up on those now.

Also by buying the products individually and not manufactured we have until now been able to avoid some taxes.

My point is that the issue has little to do with an assault on smokers' freedom and more to do with smokers as consumers being somewhat inconvenienced. Join the rest of the consumer world.

Promoting a minor inconvenience as an assault on freedom and liberty is a no sale for me. Sorry.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   11:47:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: scrapper2 (#43)

My point is that the issue has little to do with an assault on smokers' freedom and more to do with smokers as consumers being somewhat inconvenienced. Join the rest of the consumer world.

As a consumer, please list all of the other products you would like to not be able to purchase online. What other products would you like limited access to and increased inconvenience to get the best possible price? What other products would you like to pay more in taxes to prop up state budgets?

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-05   12:03:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: abraxas (#47)

Particular brand name clothing and shoes I can only buy at stand up stores. That's an inconvenience but certainly not an assault on my liberty.

Regarding sales taxes, you're talking to a consumer taxpayer who lives in a area that probably has the highest sales tax rate in the nation. So while I can understand why smokers are peeved that a free-of-sales tax option has been taken away from them, it was a unique perk that most other online consumers did not enjoy, and I still don't view this matter as a threat to their/our collective liberty.

If you want to march on DC against the idea of gubment arbitrarily adding sales taxes to consumer goods, I'll join you but to get in fluff about smokers now having to pay sales tax on their in store cigarette purchases, is to miss the elephant in the room which you and previous generations have acquiesed to accepting as a "right" of government to generate income to waste.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   12:17:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: scrapper2 (#53)

but to get in fluff about smokers now having to pay sales tax on their in store cigarette purchases, is to miss the elephant in the room which you and previous generations have acquiesed to accepting as a "right" of government to generate income to waste.

I disagree.

First they come for the smokers, you do nothing because you don't smoke.

Next they come for the drinkers, you do nothing because you don't drink.

Next they come for the free thinkings...................

Next they come for the gun owners................

You, I think, miss the elephant in the room in that if you allow the freedoms of one group to go under assualt and do nothing, then the assault (the elephant) will continue until it does impact you personally. That's my "fluff" on this issue and this is a legitimate fluff.

I'm surprised at your willingness to have the goobermint single out one group and one product for unequal access and consumer freedom. Tell me, where does this slippery slope end for you?

I disagree with the entire premise of sin tax and always have. Of course, this crap legislation sails through because so many people say, "well, I don't smoke so who cares if this group pays more." If people stood on principle, rather than personal choices, then they would not have let this elephant get out of hand to the extent that it has. I don't see how allowing more and more and more infringment reduces this income to waste problem, in fact, it exacerbates the problem.

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-05   12:31:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: abraxas (#57)

I'm surprised at your willingness to have the goobermint single out one group and one product for unequal access and consumer freedom. Tell me, where does this slippery slope end for you?

There is no slippery slope for me - perhaps for you - you allow yourself to slide until a small bump causes aggravation. I resent the whole idea of sales taxes being arbitrarily imposed by government on all of us. I resent the whole idea of income taxes being collected by government, period, and particularly so when they are "graduated" and continually increasing. But you seem to resent gubment taxes only when a small sub-category catches your interest to trumpet about.

I'm tired of debating this miniscule issue with you. Call Congress. Better still march on Congress so smokers can buy cigarettes online without sales tax. Go for it!

But I fear you are focusing on the ant while the tiger is about to devour you - in case you have forgotten, a grandiose assault on our liberty and freedom will be voted on by Congress on Saturday.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   12:45:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: scrapper2 (#65)

I resent the whole idea of sales taxes being arbitrarily imposed by government on all of us. I resent the whole idea of income taxes being collected by government, period, and particularly so when they are "graduated" and continually increasing. But you seem to resent gubment taxes only when a small sub-category catches your interest to trumpet about.

I resent all of these........even when the small sub catagory is feeling the brunt of it. You seem to feel that the small sub catagory is okie dokie, as long as you aren't a participant.

For most of my life, I've lived where NO sales tax is pushed on the people. When I began working more I shifted from no sales tax to no state income tax to pay. I've battled every tax increase, even after I became a parent and the kiddies need school. I adamently opposed no smoking mandates in bars and restaurants because an OWNER should determine this NOT the goobermint or nanny staters. Of course all the non smokers said "goodie!! Mandate them!! It's for the greater good." The stupid issued passed because of this notion that it only impacts some people in some ways and we need to think of the greater good. Rubish!!

This isn't a miniscule issue because it is a foot in the door to more and more and more and more nanny state. IMHO, apathy over assaults on small sub catagories has led to the larger laviathon goobermint and taxed to death situation we all face now.

abraxas  posted on  2009-11-05   13:14:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: abraxas (#87)

I resent all of these........even when the small sub catagory is feeling the brunt of it. You seem to feel that the small sub catagory is okie dokie, as long as you aren't a participant.

Are you kidding me? Don't you understand? I am a part of it and so are you and we've been a part of it for a long time. I resent it every time I pay sales tax because it further enables a Marxist gov't in Sacramento to fatten bureaucracy and dream up bigger and more wasteful social/welfare/educational programs. I resent it every time when I buy alcoholic beverages, knowing that fat lazy gubment douchebags are benefiting. You are talking about this online cigarette thingie like it is a turning point issue, a line in the sand, that is going to lead to more gubment interference, regulation, and control of consumer goods. Hello. Where have you been hiding? "It" has already happened and "it" happened many years ago and "it" affected all consumers not just smokers who now can't buy cigarettes online. Good grief. See things in proper perspective, why don't you.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   13:33:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: scrapper2, abraxas, RickyJ, palo verde, farmfriend, SonOfLiberty, Lod, phantom patriot, all (#94)

You are talking about this online cigarette thingie like it is a turning point issue, a line in the sand, that is going to lead to more gubment interference, regulation, and control of consumer goods.

"First they came for the communists but I was not a communist ..."

The principle which you keep avoiding is that small incursions upon someone else's liberty is ultimately a threat to your own liberty - it is just that it is an issue that does not, at this moment in time, directly have an impact on you.

That you consistently fail to see the larger point does not make it invalid it simply means that you fail to see the larger principle involved i.e., that a threat to anyone's liberty is a threat to all, and that an injustice committed against one ripples throughout a society affecting all.

When you single out one group for special discrimination you have created a social divide and a class upon which it is "OK" to prey.

That you are unable to see the larger principle does not render it nonexistent.

So, which other groups do you feel it is acceptable to deprive of their liberties?

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-05   14:03:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Original_Intent (#99)

That you are unable to see the larger principle does not render it nonexistent. That you consistently fail to see the larger point does not make it invalid it simply means that you fail to see the larger principle involved i.e., that a threat to anyone's liberty is a threat to all, and that an injustice committed against one ripples throughout a society affecting all.

When you single out one group for special discrimination you have created a social divide and a class upon which it is "OK" to prey.

What I have consistently said - which you avoid acknowledging - is that the horse as left through the open barn door years ago and no one, not you and not me, did anything at the time to protest. All consumers - not just smokers being singled out - have been and continue to be victimized by gov't empowering themselves to collect sales taxes and sin taxes.

To accuse me of being a selfish self-serving person is rather hypocritical, OI, in light of the fact that you are a smoker, who is describing an issue of convenience and $ that benefits yourself as one of liberty and freedom for all of us. Where were you when counties in California arbitrarily raised sales taxes on goods to make those rates the highest in the nation? And where were you when the California state franchise board announced that it was instructing all employers to impound 10% more of with holding tax? Oh yes, you don't live in California so no outrage from OI, the one who claims a gument slash against one class of citizen is a cut against all American citizens. Rigggght. You certainly walk your talk, I see, OI.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   14:37:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: scrapper2 (#100)

What I have consistently said - which you avoid acknowledging - is that the horse as left through the open barn door years ago and no one, not you and not me, did anything at the time to protest. All consumers - not just smokers being singled out - have been and continue to be victimized by gov't empowering themselves to collect sales taxes and sin taxes.

You're right scrapper2. Our frusteration goes much deeper. But they aren't talking about tax here. They are talking about limiting choice.

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-05   14:53:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: phantom patriot (#105)

They are talking about limiting choice.

Your choice is not being limited - you said yourself you will likely be able to buy the same brands at a store.

The convenience of online shopping is being curtailed not choice.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-05   14:57:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: scrapper2, phantom patriot (#106)

They are talking about limiting choice.

Your choice is not being limited - you said yourself you will likely be able to buy the same brands at a store.

The convenience of online shopping is being curtailed not choice.

And you are still ignoring and avoiding my point - the tobaccos I smoke are not available at the convenience store. They are available at only a very few tobacconists.

As well you ignore and disregard the principle of liberty that includes freedom of choice and freedom from government tyranny inched forward one petty tyranny at a time. To which you remain completely oblivious.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-05   15:04:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Original_Intent (#108)

As well you ignore and disregard the principle of liberty that includes freedom of choice and freedom from government tyranny inched forward one petty tyranny at a time. To which you remain completely oblivious.

Yes. scrapper2 misinterpreted my sarcasm.

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-11-05   15:11:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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