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Title: Owens Breaks 4 Campaign Promises in first hour in Congress
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URL Source: http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/inde ... 60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175
Published: Nov 8, 2009
Author: Nathan Barker
Post Date: 2009-11-08 14:09:49 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 175
Comments: 14

GOUVERNEUR, NY - Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.

Owens indicated in a press release released shortly afterwards that he was now in favor of the the "Affordable Healthcare for America Act" bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during the election campaign.

According to Politico.com, Mr. Owens assured voters that he felt the public option had no place in the health care reform bill. Contrary to that position, Mr. Owens now indicates that he intends to vote in favor of the bill even though it now contains a public option.

UPDATED: A spokesman for Congressman Owens indicated correctly that Mr. Owens had recanted his solid position against public option later in the campaign, clarifying that he did not wish public option to be a 'litmus test' for the Health Reform bill and that on Oct. 30th, several days prior to the election, in a debate had stated that he generally supported the public option as it was now written (at that time.)

Mr. Owens also indicated during his campaign that he was firmly opposed to cutting Medicare benefits, taxing health care benefits, and increased taxes on the middle class in any way as you can see clearly in the screenshot below, taken directly from Mr. Owens' campaign website.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

According to Politico.com, Mr. Owens assured voters that he felt the public option had no place in the health care reform bill. Contrary to that position, Mr. Owens now indicates that he intends to vote in favor of the bill even though it now contains a public option...Mr. Owens also indicated during his campaign that he was firmly opposed to cutting Medicare benefits, taxing health care benefits, and increased taxes on the middle class in any way as you can see clearly in the screenshot below, taken directly from Mr. Owens' campaign website.

You're on a roll today, Horse. Please don't stop posting your very informative articles!

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-08   14:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse, Scrapper2, Tommy the Mad Artist, All (#0)

GOUVERNEUR, NY - Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.

Owens indicated in a press release released shortly afterwards that he was now in favor of the the "Affordable Healthcare for America Act" bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during the election campaign.

I wonder how many slugs on here still think we can change things at the ballot box? Let's hear it from you demonwits and pubbiecrats! New pols are indoctrinated on how to vote by those in control before they are sworn in and by the campaign dollars they receive during the phoney elections. This is pointed out clearly right at the beginning of this article.

Tommy has stated the only solution, and I mean the only solution.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-11-08   14:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: LACUMO (#2)

I wonder how many slugs on here still think we can change things

Not nice to refer to friends as slugs.

Most of us agree with you, and realized this long ago. It does take time for most people to finally realize that this is one huge fraud and they need to get off the government bandwagon.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-08   14:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#0)

It looks to me as if, in spite of people on this forum and elsewhere at town hall meetings screaming "socialism" etc., all "healthcare reform" is going to do is guarantee ever-increasing customers bases and profits to private megacorp insurance entities.

I just wish people would get the lingo right. We're under fascism here. Socialism every now and then accidentally helps out a few people. Fascism only helps the corporations who own the government. Actually, now that I think about it, it's "reverse fascism." The corporations control the government, not vice versa.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-08   14:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom, All (#3)

Not nice to refer to friends as slugs.

I didn't call friends slugs. Those that understand and speak out against our fraudulent election system I consider friends. Those that don't or deny the fraud are slugs. That's the problem in our country today. Far too many are afraid to call a spade a spade.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-11-08   14:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: LACUMO (#5)

Far too many are afraid to call a spade a spade.

Those that still believe in reform from within, are themselves a part of the problem. replacing one corrupt politician at a time is a total waste.

One year from now, all be gone, bar none, have done with everyone of them.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-08   15:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

One year from now, all be gone, bar none, have done with everyone of them.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this remark. Can you explain it better.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-11-08   15:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sam Houston (#4) (Edited)

Sam, chill. Some of us have been around for longer than we care to recall, and have through many political battles. In '92 it irked me people used the word democracy in place of republic. Later the misuse of the word conservative to describe neoconservatives (they're Trotskyites) bothered me. It seemed the left was becoming the right, and vice versa. Hell, the simple use of the terms left- right bothed some because "we were in a new paradigm" and those terms, we were told, no longer applied. Now you admonish us that socialism isn't appropriate because fascist is more correct. Socialists support big government and a redistribution of OTHERS wealth. Yes, the mix of business interest in today's political climate might point the needle more toward fascism, but we aren't in a college lecture. We know our stuff and either term is interchangeable for the purpose of debate. I've personally used corportist, but who really cares. Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-08   15:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: LACUMO (#7)

I don't quite understand what you mean by this remark. Can you explain it better.

Lac...

If voters had the will and the smarts, next november they could turn out of office every congress person in Washington, Peloosely on down, send every one of them packing.

BUT, the voters are NOT smart, nearly all will go back to Washington for two more years.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-08   15:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#9)

If voters had the will and the smarts, next november they could turn out of office every congress person in Washington, Peloosely on down, send every one of them packing.

I thought this might be what you had in mind. You speak pretty frankly and I first thought you were speaking of removal other than the ballot box.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-11-08   15:21:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

It's not big government. It is government-in-name-only standing in as enforcer for big corporations. We see the same thing with the privatization of large portions of the military.

The U.S. government is now a "shell corporation" used to funnel money to private interests. The main groups benefitting from socialism are the senior citizens who've lived long enough to receive more than they contributed via FICA and the destitute youth and their mommas on WIC and other such "programs."

All veterans/military retirees are direct beneficiaries of socialism, but they think they "earned" it because their a$$e$ might have been shot off. Fair point, but most never heard a shot fired in anger. The ones who joined (stupidly, IMO) right after the 9/11 psyop made them want to "sacrifice for my country," I'll grant, have "earned" it and then some.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-08   15:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: LACUMO, TommyTheMadArtist, Horse, All (#2)

I wonder how many slugs on here still think we can change things at the ballot box? Let's hear it from you demonwits and pubbiecrats!

Tommy has stated the only solution, and I mean the only solution.

I'm a realist. I look at what's available to me and other voters, to effect changes in business as usual in DC. Admittedly, my approach is not flashy or testosterone driven, but if every voter in America or even if just a significant number of voters put into practice my theory, we would reap some meaningful rewards.

That's why I have always encouraged voting against incumbency as the single most effective way available to us little people to effect term limits to break the hold of special interests.

Failing a total musical chair change of faces in DC, at the very least we might achieve gridlock which can also be helpful to The People.

If you and Tommy want to hold your breaths for your Tea Party Redux solution to come about, you are free to exercise that option - but be sure to put your affairs in order before you follow through on the route.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-08   17:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#12)

I'm a realist. I look at what's available to me and other voters, to effect changes in business as usual in DC. Admittedly, my approach is not flashy or testosterone driven, but if every voter in America or even if just a significant number of voters put into practice my theory, we would reap some meaningful rewards.

I'm a realist too! I know if the dog hadn't stopped to shit, he'd caught the rabbit. This is the same old mantra being spewed time and time again. You know full well your plan is next to impossible because we have too damned many yellow bellies who have been dumbed down and still believe in the two wings of our one party and voting will change things. To which I say bullshit. We had Americans who went through this, hoping King George would give the 13 colonies their independence. Well Americans used to be taught in our schools how our independence came about and what would be required to keep it. It came from the blood shed by those who loved freedom and they warned us that that was the only way we could keep it.

We have been voting for about 233 years and now we have voted in our own demise. Those in control keep getting re-elected time and again because the citizens in this country have been dumbed down and keep voting in the same old politicians that are hell bent on destroying this country. Voting will not fix the problem because the voting is fixed.

I really feel sorry for those of us that can't come to the realization that we will never see any significant change and we will never see our freedoms and honest government return via the ballot box. If you really think enough voters will come to see the light, in your lifetime, sadly I say you are delusional. If they had any fear of being voted out, they wouldn't be so brazen to vote for things opposed by the majority of the populace. Fruthermore, you and I can't oppose them in a peacefull demonstration. They use the police and high-tech weapons to stop even peaceful demonstrations.

Once they have total control over us, please post a reply to me and tell me who I can vote for so that our liberties will magically be restored. As they say, money talks and bullshit walks and you and I don't have the kind of money to buy the favor of our politicians like all that corporate money does.

Yep, voting will fix everything and make everything hunky-dory once again.

LACUMO  posted on  2009-11-08   18:57:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2, all (#12)

Local elections can matter. Heinlein laid it all out. It means getting your hands dirty though.

"If I’d asked my customers what they wanted, they’d have said a faster horse” -- Henry Ford

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-11-08   22:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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