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Title: Fort Hood Shooting 'Oddities' (smells fishy)
Source: Citizens for Legitimate Government
URL Source: http://www.legitgov.org/attack_on_fort_hood_051109.html
Published: Nov 9, 2009
Author: Lori Price
Post Date: 2009-11-09 23:25:11 by Original_Intent
Keywords: PsyOps, Psychiatrist, antidepressant, killer
Views: 1042
Comments: 89

Fort Hood Shooting 'Oddities' By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 09 Nov 2009

'Three people are involved. That, by definition, means it is a conspiracy.'

CLG Exclusive: Fort Hood: 'This story stinks to high heaven.' SFC, who spent ten years at Fort Hood, comments on Ft. Hood events 09 Nov 2009 I spent 10 years at Ft Hood. There is no way this 'official' story is legitimate. No way would a room full of Combat vets allow this one shooter to get off over 100 rounds! And, it is not normal for the outside security guards to be there. They are at the MP station, and at the main gates. This means the room full of soldiers processing must have been pinned down; multiple shooters is the only plausible scenario. this sounds like MAJ Hasan has been used, and perhaps is a patsy. --SFC Donald Buswell (Retired)

* CNN: Over one hundred shots were fired in the attack. (Logic dictates that 'over one hundred shots' were not fired by a single individual, surrounded by military personnel and special police forces.)
* CNN: FBI was investigating Major Nidal Hasan six months ago.
* Curiouser and Curiouser: -Video surfaces of alleged shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, attending Homeland Security Task Force conference --Major Hasan's name appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration' --Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force - April 2008 - January 2009. The report is dated 19 May 2009.
* Numerous media accounts: Major Hasan's neighbors, medical trainers, colleagues, friends, cousin, uncle, grandfather-- even the store owner to where he bought his food -- all heap praise on Major Hasan's temperament. This appears to be psy-ops, six ways to Sunday. --LRP
* The alleged shooter received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and

Major Nidal Hasan

Lawyer asks investigators not to question Hasan 09 Nov 2009 A lawyer for the Army psychiatrist accused in a deadly shooting spree at Fort Hood said Monday he asked investigators not to question his client and expressed doubt that the suspect would be able to get a fair trial, given the widespread attention to the case. Retired Col. John P. Galligan said he was contacted Monday by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's family and was headed to an Army hospital in San Antonio to meet Hasan. "Until I meet with him, it's best to say we're just going to protect all of his rights," Galligan said... Galligan questioned whether Hasan could get a fair trial in either criminal or military court, given President Barack Obama's planned visit to the base on Tuesday and public comments by the post commander, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone.

U.S. Monitored Fort Hood Suspect Before Shooting 10 Nov 2009 Intelligence agencies intercepted communications last year and this year between Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen known for his incendiary anti-American teachings. But federal authorities dropped an inquiry into the matter after deciding that the messages warranted no further action, government officials said on Monday. Major Hasan’s exchanges with the cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, once a spiritual leader at a mosque in suburban Virginia where Major Hasan worshipped, indicate that the authorities were aware of Major Hasan before last Thursday’s deadly rampage, but did nothing.

Hasan Computer Reveals No Terror Ties 09 Nov 2009 A preliminary review of the computer of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused shooter in Thursday's rampage at Fort Hood in which 13 people were killed, has revealed no evidence of any connection to terror groups or conspirators, according to law enforcement officials. CBS News reports that an examination of the computer has revealed Hasan visited Web sites promoting radical Islamic views, but investigators have not found any e-mail communications with outside facilitators or known terrorists.

CIA Denies Report of Blocking Hasan Intel --Officials Tell CBS News Agency Isn't Withholding Information on Suspected Fort Hood Shooter 09 Nov 2009 Responding to a report that the Army psychiatrist suspected in last week's Fort Hood shootings had tried to contact people within al Qaeda - and that government intelligence agencies knew about it and are refusing to brief Congress on it - a U.S. intelligence official told CBS News that the CIA isn't withholding information from Congress. "There's no sign at this point that the CIA had collected information relevant to this case and then simply sat on it," the official told CBS News. ABC News published the report Monday morning with details that the CIA was refusing to brief the congressional committees charged with overseeing the intelligence agencies, a senior lawmaker told ABC.

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact 'al Qaeda' --Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with Terrorists 09 Nov 2009 U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda [al-CIAduh], two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News. It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

Hoekstra to launch investigation into Fort Hood shooting, dubs it 'homegrown jihadism' 09 Nov 2009 A key Republican lawmaker on Monday asked that the Obama administration keep documents relevant to the Fort Hood shooting available so Congress can continue its investigation into what he called an incident of "homegrown jihadism." Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Insane-Mich), the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, sent a preservation order to the heads of the FBI, CIA, NSA and Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair directing them to keep the documents as part of his committee's review of the attacks.

Soldier Found With 100 Pounds of C-4 Released From Jail --The ATF, FBI and Montgomery County Bomb Squad investigated the case, trying to determine whether the explosives came from Fort Campbell. 05 Nov 2009 An Army Special Forces soldier who admitted to police that he was stockpiling military-grade explosives outside his home near Fort Campbell was released from jail into the custody of his wife. U.S. Magistrate Judge Cliff Knowles gave the order releasing 25-year-old Sgt. 1st Class Timothy Ryan Richards during a detention hearing Thursday in federal court in Nashville. He was charged with possessing two unregistered automatic weapons but he has not yet entered a plea.

Soldier Arrested After C-4 Explosives, Unregistered Guns Found At Home --The explosives were found in crates. 02 Nov 2009 An Army Special Forces soldier has been arrested following the discovery of 100 pounds of explosives at his Tennessee home in Montgomery County. Timothy Ryan Richards appeared in federal court Monday in Nashville on charges of possessing two unregistered guns. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent Eric Kehn said he expects Richards will face more charges related to the discovery of the explosives... The house is located near the Fort Campbell, Ky., Army post where the solider is based.

Fort Hood shooting suspect conscious, talking, hospital says 09 Nov 2009 Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the suspect in last week's mass shooting at the Fort Hood Army Post, is conscious and talking, according to a spokesman for the Army hospital where he is being treated. On Sunday, Hasan was listed in critical but stable condition and in intensive care at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas.

Fort Hood shooting suspect's ties to mosque investigated --The FBI and Army are looking into whether Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had an association with militants at the Virginia mosque where two 9/11 'hijackers' prayed, a source says. 09 Nov 2009 The FBI and the Army on Sunday were investigating whether the military psychiatrist suspected in the Ft. Hood shooting rampage had an association with militants at a mosque in Virginia or in cyberspace. A senior federal law enforcement official said there was no immediate evidence of such a link, nor of any direct connection between the suspected gunman, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, and terrorist groups or individuals, either in person or online.

Are you ready? Wait for it... it's good: Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists --Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001. 07 Nov 2009 Hasan, the sole suspect in the ['Manchurian Candidate'-style] massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year. The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Report: Suspected Fort Hood shooter prayed at same mosque as 9/11 terrorists 08 Nov 2009 Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the U.S. Army psychiatrist accused of shooting dead 13 people and wounding 30 others in Fort Hood, Texas, prayed at the same mosque as two of the September 11 terrorists, according to a report published in the Sunday Telegraph. Hasan attended the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001, at the same time as the two terrorists, and the FBI may investigate whether Hasan met them, the Telegraph reported.

U.S. Army gunman's act "impossible" - grandfather 07 Nov 2009 The grandfather of a U.S. Army psychiatrist accused of shooting dead 13 people and wounding 30 others at a base in Texas said on Saturday he found it impossible to believe his grandson had committed the act. "He is a doctor and loves the U.S." Ismail Mustafa Hamad told Reuters in an interview at his home in the Palestinian town of al-Bireh. "America made him what he is."

Army: Shooting Suspect Taken Off Ventilator --Army officials: Hasan is 'not able to converse.' 07 Nov 2009 A U.S. Army spokesman says the man authorities say went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood has been taken off a ventilator but still remains in intensive care at a military hospital. Spokesman Col. John Rossi told reporters on Saturday at Fort Hood that he is not sure if Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is able to communicate. Hasan was shot during an exchange of gunfire during Thursday's attack. The military moved him on Friday to Brooke Medical Center in San Antonio, about 150 miles southwest of Fort Hood. Army officials have said Hasan is "not able to converse."

Nidal Malik Hasan, Suspected Fort Hood Shooter, Was Called "Camel Jockey" --Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Harassed By Others In Military and Wanted Out, Family Said 06 Nov 2009 Fort Hood shooting suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, wanted out of the Army after being constantly harassed by others in the military and was called a "camel jockey," his family said. As Hasan was about to be deployed to Iraq Afghanistan, he was suffering from some of the same stresses that he was trained as an Army psychiatrist to treat. Although the 39-year-old had just been promoted to major in May, his family says he had hired a lawyer to help him get out of the Armed Forces.

Second Gunman In Custody At Army's Fort Hood -Report 06 Nov 2009 A second gunman is in custody after a shooting at the Army's Fort Hood in Texas in which at least seven people were killed and 12 wounded, reports KCEN-TV of Waco. The report comes about two hours after a first suspect was captured, shortly after gunfire broke out. Authorities say the gunmen were dressed in fatigues, though it's not confirmed whether they are military personnel. It's also not known if the victims were military personnel or civilians.

* Video: Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Major Hasan At Homeland Security Task Force conference --Hasan's name, as Task Force member, appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration
* White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said earlier that officials were monitoring the incident in the Situation Room. The Department of Homeland Security said it was in the process of obtaining information.
* Alleged shooter is alive, in stable condition --General Bob Cone:
* Terror attack 'not ruled out'
* The alleged shooter graduated from Virginia Tech --His cousin, Nader Hasan, actually laughed in an interview when asked if alleged shooter, Nadal Hasan, was 'violent.' He never went to Iraq.
* Attack appears to have been carried out by multiple shooters. Two suspects are no longer in custody, but a third person has been picked up for questioned.
* Sources say Army shooting suspect was due to be deployed to Iraq
* 42 people shot by Army psychiatrist, promoted to Army Major in May. 12 killed; 30 wounded --US Official: Shooter was Major Malik Nadal Hasan
* 'The individuals arrested are all US soldiers.'

Surviving Fort Hood shooting suspect arrested at golf course, officer says Updated 2334 GMT 05 Nov 2009 A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation. Shortly after the shooting, the officer said, military police told him to clear the course and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said. The senior officer said he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached. He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said. He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter. The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.

Fort Hood gunman [allegedly] shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he opened fire --Army psychiatrist remains on ventilator after rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 28 06 Nov 2009 A US army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Afghanistan allegedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", as he opened fire at a military base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 28. The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted the Arabic phrase just before he began his shooting spree at Fort Hood military installation yesterday, according to the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone.

Details emerge about Fort Hood suspect's history 06 Nov 2009 Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan, suspect in the assault that killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, and hurt 30, salved the emotional wounds of troops returning from war even as he objected to his own looming deployment to Afghanistan, where he was to counsel soldiers suffering from stress... Hasan recently was involved in a spat with another Fort Hood soldier residing in his apartment complex, apparently related to his Muslim beliefs. The manager of the complex, John Thompson, said the other soldier, John Van de Walker, allegedly keyed Hasan's car and also removed and tore up a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love." Thompson said Van de Walker had been in Iraq and was upset to learn that Hasan was Muslim. A report filed with Killeen police on Aug. 16 indicates that Hasan's vehicle, a 2006 Honda Civic, had been scratched by an unknown object causing an estimated $1,000 worth of damage. The report indicates that Van de Walker, 30, was arrested on Oct. 21 and charged with criminal mischief.

Death toll rises to 13 in Ft. Hood shootings --Army officials confirmed that the alleged gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was due to be deployed overseas. Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was shot by a police officer and is hospitalized. 06 Nov 2009 As authorities continue to search for clues on what prompted the shooting Thursday at Ft. Hood, the death toll rose today to 13. Twenty-eight of the 31 people injured in the attack on the nation's largest military base remain hospitalized. The alleged shooter, an Army psychiatrist who was wounded during the attack, is also hospitalized, unconscious and on a ventilator.

Officers raid Texas home of suspect in Fort Hood shootings 06 Nov 2009 Officers raided the apartment of the soldier suspected in the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, early Friday, searching for clues as to what caused the military psychiatrist to allegedly gun down soldiers he had taken an oath to help, a police spokeswoman said. The alleged gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at a military processing center at Fort Hood, killing 13 and wounding 30 others, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said... In the nearby town of Killeen, a SWAT team and FBI agents were searching Hasan's apartment to help determine what caused the shooting, which military experts called the worst mass shooting at an American military base, Carol Smith, a Killeen police spokeswoman, said early Friday.

Surveillance video shows Fort Hood suspect before shootings 06 Nov 2009 An owner of a 7-Eleven convenience store in Fort Hood, Texas, said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came in for coffee and hashbrowns most mornings, including the day he allegedly shot dozens of soldiers. Surveillance video from the store obtained by CNN shows a man who, according to the store owner, is Hasan at the cashier's counter at about 6:20 a.m. Thursday (7:20 a.m. ET) -- about seven hours before the mass shooting. "He looked normal, came in had his hashbrowns and coffee as you see in the surveillance video," the owner told CNN. Another surveillance video from the store on Tuesday showed the man believed to be Hasan in scrubs... In 2009, Hasan he completed a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry and was assigned to Darnall in July. He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States.

Motive a mystery after Fort Hood rampage --12 die; gunman remain hospitalized, despite earlier reports 06 Nov 2009 An Army psychiatrist about to be deployed to a combat zone overseas allegedly shot and killed 12 people and wounded 31 in a rampage at this sprawling military post north of Austin on Thursday afternoon. Post officials originally said that the suspected shooter -- Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan -- had been killed, but late in the day said he was wounded and in critical condition at a nearby hospital... Hasan is accused of attacking his fellow soldiers about 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center. Armed with two pistols, he shot more than 40 people before military police and civilian police officers responded, officials said. He was wounded by a civilian policewoman, who was injured in the exchange, police said. Officials had reported earlier that the police officer had been killed. Hasan's motives were unclear, and early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store's manager. "He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal," she said, "nothing weird, nothing out of the ordinary." A few hours later, officials said, the Virginia native began his rampage on the post.

Counter-terror plans will be revised to reflect Fort Hood and Afghan attacks [Wow, that was quick!] 05 Nov 2009 (UK) A soldier turning on his comrades at Fort Hood, an Afghan policeman killing the British soldiers who trained him - two uncannily similar events in two days, but incidents which, across the Western world, security authorities have been planning for and dreading. Since the Mumbai attacks counter-terrorism planning has seen a major shift. The shootings in Afghanistan and Fort Hood carry echoes of the attacks in India with the added danger that the enemy has come from within.

AP: Authorities Had Concerns About Suspect Over Internet Postings [Wow, that was quick, too!] 05 Nov 2009 Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded... The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case. One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

Suspected Fort Hood gunman graduated from Virginia Tech 05 Nov 2009 The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry in 1997. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday... He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. He did his internship, residency and a fellowship at Walter Reed.

Twelve dead as US soldiers go on shooting rampage at Fort Hood military base in Texas 05 Nov 2009 At least 12 people have been killed and more than 30 injured after three US soldiers went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. The Army says one of the gunmen has been killed and two others apprehended and all of the gunmen are US soldiers. Lieutenant General Bob Cone: "A shooter opened fire. That person was killed. At this time, we are looking at 12 dead and 31 wounded. They are dispersed among the local hospitals in this area in Texas. "The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers who are suspects, and I would go into the point that there were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter." The massacre happened at a training centre on the sprawling grounds of the largest US military base in the world. One gunman was caught quickly but the others went on the run. Four police officers were shot and wounded before they were arrested. Eyewitnesses said the gunmen were dressed in military uniforms.

12 dead, 30 injured in shootings at Fort Hood --Army psychiatrist was gunman in Texas incident, military officials tell NBC 05 Nov 2009 An Army psychiatrist opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 30 others before being shot to death, officials told NBC News. Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

12 Dead, 31 Wounded in Base Shootings 06 Nov 2009 At least 12 people were killed and 31 wounded Thursday afternoon in a shooting at a military installation in Fort Hood, Texas, according to military spokesmen. Lt. General Bob Cone said in Texas that the shooter was an Army soldier who opened fire in a “readiness facility.” Lt. Gen. Cone confirmed that the shooter had been killed. Two other Army soldiers were in custody as suspects. President Obama said it was "horrifying" that American soldiers would face such a situation at home.

Fort Hood death toll now at 12; gunmen were U.S. soldiers 05 Nov 2009 At least 12 people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, when at least one gunmen opened fire on soldiers who were making their final deployment preparations. Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, the commander of III Corps, said that at least one gunman opened fire at the base's Soldiers Readiness Processing Center where soldiers were receiving medical and dental exams prior to deployment. The gunman's fire was returned -- Cone did not say by whom -- and the gunman was killed. Two other soldiers who may have participated in the shootings were arrested in nearby buildings, Cone said. At least one of the dead was a civilian police officer working at the base.

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(((((Ping)))))

I am beginning to see similar patterns to other events. For one the story has morphed a bit since its first release, as well are unaccounted for anomalies. I don't know what to make of it yet for sure. Whether he was a subject in a mind control experiment, or simply on antidepressants because of the stress he was under is unclear.

I keep coming back to the datum that he himself was a Psychiatrist. That inspires question marks.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-09   23:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:09:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Interesting Article.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-10   0:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TwentyTwelve (#4)

Yes. A lot of data to absorb.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Interesting, but, a trained shooter can fire a hundred rounds out of a pistol fairly quickly, especially if the shooter is dropping magazines and feeding quickly.

Not sure about the FiveseveN, but a Beretta 92FS (standard military issue) can run through a hundred rounds with standard 15-round military magazines VERY quickly.

COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!

mirage  posted on  2009-11-10   0:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Interesting that Lee Harvey Hasan (aka Lee Harvey Oswald II) is still alive.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-11-10   0:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TwentyTwelve (#7)

Interesting that Lee Harvey Hasan (aka Lee Harvey Oswald II) is still alive.

I think, if this is a PsyOp, that may have been a mistake. Like Lee Harvey the first he was supposed to die at the scene.

Note that his "Lawyer" doesn't want anybody talking to him.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mirage (#6)

Interesting, but, a trained shooter can fire a hundred rounds out of a pistol fairly quickly, especially if the shooter is dropping magazines and feeding quickly.

Not sure about the FiveseveN, but a Beretta 92FS (standard military issue) can run through a hundred rounds with standard 15-round military magazines VERY quickly.

I don't think the assertion is that it was physically impossible - simply improbable given the other people present and their "specialties".

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)

I don't think the assertion is that it was physically impossible - simply improbable given the other people present and their "specialties".

Military bases became "gun free zones" (except for MPs and Civilian Police) quite some time ago.

There aren't many MPs anymore either.

It was a shooting gallery just like any "gun free" public high school.

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mirage  posted on  2009-11-10   0:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage (#10)

You make a good argument. but it remains an open question in my nasty suspicious little mind.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   0:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)

but it remains an open question in my nasty suspicious little mind.

As well it should, and you should continue to research things.

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mirage  posted on  2009-11-10   0:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Too many things don't add up....

may be Mossad with its Sayanim designed this....

FACTS ARE:l they own this country, Gov., Banks, Media + Intertainment Industry=BainWashing Machinery...even our Intel. services

You cant do any thing in this country without their knowledge or permission

I think there is more to this than meet the eye....

The future will show the facts...

As always, famous jooish greed will somehow uncover the facts, may be by writing a book of memoire with details ....

Max  posted on  2009-11-10   0:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#2)

I keep coming back to the datum that he himself was a Psychiatrist. That inspires question marks.

His degree was in Biochemistry initially. Fact is, a Psychiatrist typically treats organic mental illness versus psychological issues, so what was he really doing there?

That is one really nice collection of disparate reports, which makes it pretty clear that it isn't as tidy as many would believe. It smells to high heaven, and all odors point to MKULTRA.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   1:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FormerLurker (#14)

MKULTRA

I agree. I figured that it was a mind control thing right from the first report, usin' ELF equiptment.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-11-10   1:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sizzlerguy (#15)

MKULTRA

The multiple shooters at first, one shooter dead, with two at large, then one surrounded in a building by SWAT teams, then two in custody, then and then and then, etc...

All things considered, they pinned the tail on an IDEAL donkey when the smoke cleared, a donkey who rose from the dead apparently.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   1:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)

they pinned the tail on an IDEAL donkey

Whether he's guilty, or innocent, that guy will never get a fair trial anywhere.

There should have been a gag order put in place immediately.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-11-10   1:32:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sizzlerguy (#17)

There should have been a gag order put in place immediately.

It wouldn't have done any good. The fix is in, and was before the game even started.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   1:35:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#0)

I'm not sure if this falls under fishy or strictly coincidental:

a. a visibly decompensating Muslim M.D. who is becoming more religious and violently anti-war, in the course of being charged with counseling PTSD soldiers returning from the ME war theater, who has tried to buy himself out of the Army but is refused, is suddenly given orders to ship off to Afghanistan to join the US war effort against Sunni Muslim Talibans [ Hasan's parents were Palestinian Sunnis].

b. a killing spree by the aforementioned deranged Muslim military psychiatrist on a stateside US military base takes place on Friday and while Americans are glued to their TV sets in shock that weekend trying to get info on the killing spree, on Saturday at midnight Madame DeFarge Pelosi takes a vote in Congress on a bill that puts a stake through the heart of America as we know it.

c. on Monday morning, senior Senator Joe LIEberman suggests that the Ft. Hood tragedy is an act of terrorism

d. on Monday afternoon President Anti-War Obumski announces that he's putting an additional 40,000 boots on the ground in the Muslim nation of Afghanistan

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   2:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)

in the course of being charged with counseling PTSD soldiers returning from the ME war theater,

Thing is, it's doubtful he was "counseling" ANYONE, as psychiatrists don't counsel people, they treat medical issues such as schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder, and other such illnesses.

Counseling is done by psychologists, who are pretty much nothing more than glorified social workers, whereas a psychiatrist is a real medical doctor.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   2:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#20) (Edited)

Thing is, it's doubtful he was "counseling" ANYONE, as psychiatrists don't counsel people, they treat medical issues such as schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder, and other such illnesses.

Counseling is done by psychologists, who are pretty much nothing more than glorified social workers, whereas a psychiatrist is a real medical doctor.

That's true. Let's say he was charged with "treating" post traumatic syndrome disorder. Okay?

The point is a mentally unstable anti-war religious Muslim psychiatrist was put in charge of his worst nightmare in panavision - detailed accounts by battle stressed soldiers coming back from a war theater where US soldiers and their Muslim foes were killing each other in bloodied combat. And let's not forget that the past 6 months or more there were complaints about Hasan increasingly anti-war positions at the base as well as per his 'net postings and sources claim that authorities were monitoring him. But NOTHING was done. He was a lab specimen frog being allowed to stew in a pot of hot water.

Then the heat of the stove element was turned up and this same unstable anti-war Muslim MD was given his orders to ship out to join the nightmare described to him by his patients.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   2:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#0) (Edited)

Hasan would be much more aware than most in the military that US military missions in Iraq and Afghanistan were anti-Arab, solely in Israel's interests. Israeli agents in the military would perceive Hasan's anti-war comments/activities as precursors to a possible mutiny against continued fighting for Israel and they of course would want the "enemy" out of the US army in order to have unfettered influence in Israel's interests.

A poster on another board suggested that the dozen shot had been herded into the shooting area because of their opposition to the Iraq mission and were shot by private contractors along with Hasan who was to be the patsy.

The "incriminating" evidence surfacing following the shootings follows the pattern that Zionist agents and media were pumping out against al Qaeda following 9/11 to stampede America into a war against the Taleban.

Adding to the oddities: Hasan was on the Bush Homeland Security Team.

The task force at George Washington University on transitional procedures in the Global War on Terror included Major Hasan, serving with the likes of William Webster of the CIA and FBI. (Another reason Israeli agents would want him out of the way and not encroaching on their turf in the administration).

http://www.veteranstoday.com/mod...ews&file=article&sid=9315

Note the vicious vilification of Hasan, reminiscent of the way Israeli agents and their media cohorts were demonizing bin Laden before anyone had evidence of his (non)involvement in 9/11 as we now know from the FBI. Good essay on Israel's disinformation tactics by Jeff Gates: Facts vs Beliefs - Today's Ancient Warfare

http://salem-news.com/articles/november082009/israel_ig.php

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-11-10   2:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: scrapper2 (#21)

It wasn't allowed to happen, it was MADE to happen. He was just doing what he was needed to do. Where's the other shooters? What happened to the one surrounded by the SWAT team? Remember hearing reports that the SWAT team was being fired upon?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   3:13:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: FormerLurker (#23)

It wasn't allowed to happen, it was MADE to happen. He was just doing what he was needed to do.

Barring further concrete evidence, I'm still in the "it was allowed to happen" corner.

Jumping too fast into conspiracy theory sometimes has the noxious effect of causing ordinary everyday people to dismiss everything that is said and then they subsequently tune out and don't want to revisit the issue even after more evidence is brought to light.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   3:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: scrapper2 (#21)

Let's say he was charged with "treating" post traumatic syndrome disorder

BTW, PTSD is a psychological disorder, not a physiological (or medical) disorder.

He wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have been treating those cases, except maybe in prescribing medication, but psychologists can do that, they don't need a psychiatrist to do it for them.

Psychiatrists do at times counsel patients in the way of psychotherapy, but in a clinical setting versus an office setting. You'd see psychiatrists more in a mental hospital for instance rather than a walk-in visit environment.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   3:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: scrapper2 (#24)

Question still remains, where are the other shooters?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   3:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#25)

BTW, PTSD is a psychological disorder, not a physiological (or medical) disorder.

He wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) have been treating those cases, except maybe in prescribing medication, but psychologists can do that, they don't need a psychiatrist to do it for them.

Psychiatrists do at times counsel patients in the way of psychotherapy, but in a clinical setting versus an office setting. You'd see psychiatrists more in a mental hospital for instance rather than a walk-in visit environment.

Why are you going on and on about this? Where are you going with this matter?

Fyi, both psychiatrists and psychologists are known to treat PTSD. Psychiatrists are trained and qualified to do psychotherapy in conjunction with prescribing meds such as anti-depressants and anti-psychotics. Psychiatrists work in offices, in hospitals with wards with acute psychiatric patients, and at mental hospitals. Actually they're more likely to be in office environments than in mental hospital environments because the former is more lucrative and they don't have to deal with the real crazies, just the well heeled neurotics.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   3:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)

Question still remains, where are the other shooters?

Two other people were initially questioned and released shortly thereafter.

How do you know there were "other shooters?"

The police officer who took down Hasan is alive. She was shot in the thigh not killed. Why would she, a witness to the scene, be allowed to live if there were "other shooters?"

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   3:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: scrapper2 (#27)

they're more likely to be in office environments than in mental hospital environments

They are more likely found in hospitals since they are MEDICAL DOCTORS, not just some guy with a Phd in Psychology.

I just find it odd that none of his collegues recognized early warning signs of some serious issues up ahead. BTW, MKULTRA was run by PSYCHIATRISTS, not psychologists. That is where I make my distinction.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   4:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: scrapper2 (#28)

Two other people were initially questioned and released shortly thereafter.

How do you know there were "other shooters?"

Early reports indicated multiple shooters, shots being fired at a SWAT team, and a shooter surrounded by the SWAT team at one of the buildings on base.

In fact, it was reported that there were three shooters, one dead, two at large, then one at large, then two in custody. Oh, and don't forget about the guy they picked up at the golf course.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-11-10   4:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#29)

They are more likely found in hospitals since they are MEDICAL DOCTORS, not just some guy with a Phd in Psychology.

Don't be ridiculous. Psychiatrists are MD's with private practices like other medical specialities. They are not restricted to hanging out at mental hospitals.

And to prove to you that shrinks treat PTSD..tah dah...Hasan was "co-chair of a panel which examined “Medical Issues for Psychiatrists in Disasters” at the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) annual conference held this past May 2009 in San Francisco. "

www.huffingtonpost.com/bi...ft-hood-tra_b_349543.html

"More Irony in Ft. Hood Tragedy: Hasan on Mental Health Panel with Army's "Top Psychiatrist"

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   4:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#30) (Edited)

Early reports indicated multiple shooters, shots being fired at a SWAT team, and a shooter surrounded by the SWAT team at one of the buildings on base.

In fact, it was reported that there were three shooters, one dead, two at large, then one at large, then two in custody. Oh, and don't forget about the guy they picked up at the golf course.

Right. In the heat of catastrophe, things are said and done before there's clarity.

Look, believe what you want but I want more to go on than "early reports" before I hang my hat on some Mossad or mind experiments or CIA black ops thingie.

At this time I choose to believe this event might have been allowed or even had been positioned to happen.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   4:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: scrapper2 (#28)

How do you know there were "other shooters?"

Considering the number of people shot I think it is fairly obvious there had to be more than one shooter.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-10   5:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: FormerLurker (#26)

Question still remains, where are the other shooters?

Probably at Disney World.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-10   5:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: RickyJ (#34)

Question still remains, where are the other shooters?

Probably at Disney World.

I have it on good authority that Tim McVeigh invited them to join him in Bermuda for a few Pina Coladas and a chance to meet Elvis. The event itself will be hosted by Ken Lay, Valet Parking provided by the three John Does from OKC, and the entertainment will include Osama Bin Laden singing, Jew York/Jew York accompanied by Saddam Hussein and his quartet, the very popular, "Sand Niggers."

RSVP

Hope y'all can make it ... BYOB (Bring Your Own Bomb)

SPAMerica, a nation of spineless, gutless, mindless, self-absorbed, internet litterbugs.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-10   5:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: FormerLurker (#26)

There's a purported first-person account which deals with "other shooters" at

http://www.veteranstoday.com/mod...ews&file=article&sid=9312

says other shooter was just a cop.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-11-10   6:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: scrapper2, FormerLurker, RickyJ (#24)

Jumping too fast into conspiracy theory...

Based on the Feds' history of lying and half-truths, disbelieving the official story and proceeding to construct a more accurate possible scenario is a rational response to the BS being pumped through the MSM.

The Feds always try to feed us some story about a 'lone nut'.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-10   6:48:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass (#37)

nothing more than to bring the "Front Line" of the war on terrorism home

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-10   6:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Itistoolate (#38)

Anything to get the sheep used to living lives of ramped-up fear.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-11-10   7:02:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: bluegrass (#39)

gafilta fishy

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-11-10   7:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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