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Title: A question for Freedom4um: Do you believe the 'official' story about Fort Hood?
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A question for Freedom4um: Do you believe the 'official' story about Fort Hood?
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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)
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Ruby Ridge
No.
Lockerbie
I knew you didn't. ; )
Prove otherwise, please.
Prove to me, using a non-government or non-MSM source, that this event happened the way that we're told.
There isn't enough information at this time to make a judgement one way or the
other.
Nor will there ever be.
So you have doubts about the official story?
The way the military works, everyone covering their asses; leads me to think whatever information was made available would surely be sanitized.
SPAMerica, a nation of spineless, gutless, mindless, self-absorbed, internet litterbugs.
I think you can rest assured that everybody involved has been told [warned] to dummy-up for reasons of "national security."
Yes.
Given the truthfulness of past "stories", no reason to believe them. However it just may be that this time the story is true, still no reason to default to believing it. Government's credibility is shot and I had nothing to do with it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Why?
The FBI is being blamed for not outing him on/by TV #35 of the "COMMUNIST GOALS" www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
The event did happen witnessed by hundreds. Accomplished by a man that should never have been in that position. This occurs most often when the "government" and or "military" are involved. Private industry most likely would have shucked the man long ago. Having been involved in some near monumental military and government screwups in the past, it is easy to see how the chain of events ended this way. Was he programmed to erupt, paid to erupt or some variety of the same, I have no idea nor does anyone else. Believe all the minute details???? That is for everyone to accept or reject on their own, with the assurance the military will lie and cover as much of the background as possible.
So did 9/11. We know the official story is a crock. the military will lie and cover as much of the background as possible. As we know that the Feds and the MSM do the same, it would seem prudent to discount what we're told rather than to believe what we're being fed.
blue... Your question was about this event, not 911. Having been involved in past exercises with the government/military, they will indeed lie in an attempt to cover as many details as possible. Also I know full well how such events such as this occur due to the military system.
what do you think really happened?
This event is similar to 9/11 in many ways. It's a valid analogy. they will indeed lie in an attempt to cover as many details as possible. Cyni, my friend, if you believe this then you just told me, in post #12, that you believe a pack of lies.
I have no clue what really happened. We can rest assured that it didn't go down like we've been told. I expect Hell's Sewergates to spew forth in the MSM on this one until the sheep are fed another traumatic event to fixate on while this will fade into the background. I'm glad as can be that you and F4 are still here, Ms. C.
blue... I do know from first had experience how badly the military can handle any such affair. Been there, did that, was in the middle and the... ENTIRE AFFAIR WAS BASED ON STUPIDITY...LAXNESS...ERROR PILED UPON ERROR...until something happens and then it is CYA all the way. You will note that from within a matter of two or three hours, former military doctors were on TV telling what they knew about Hasan. I would suggest that if we had the records, there would be NO negative remarks about Hasan in his file, NONE.
More or less. What the establishment may have done (or didn't do) to lead to it, and what the establishment is making of it, are very different things. There is a consistent madness to it. Steve Sailer's Invite the World/Invade the World thesis about the neocons writ small. I agree, the whole thing is self-similar to 911. But society is self-similar. And while I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, I am a firm believer in Jungian synchronicity. Swarm Intelligence is not a conspiracy.
"If I’d asked my customers what they wanted, they’d have said a faster horse” -- Henry Ford
I don't think there is an official story regarding this shooting. I do believe that the government is walking on egg shells so as not to appear anti-Muslim. So the conspiracy might go that our Kenyan/Muslim president, in the desire to appear all loving to all people, doesn't want to hurt the feelings of this s'bag.
AND I don't know how anyone could believe anything we are hearing, given the reports we received that the shooter was alive after he had been reported dead!
When the story changes radically from the first reports, I tend to put more faith in the first reports than the new story. Hasan was not known to be violent by anyone who knew him. And even if he did go nuts and shoot some people he couldn't have shot that many at the world's biggest Army base before being brought down by either return fire or by trained troops rushing him. Now the media is in evil Muslim mode. It is as plain as day what they are hoping to get people thinking out of this tragedy. That devout Muslims are terrorists and we need to stay in the Middle East to control them or more will come over here and kill us. What nation does all this benefit? Certainly not the USA.
God is always good!
I am, of course, not so naive to believe everything the government says. And I do believe the gov does do things covertly and illegally to further its own interests or that of it's internal minions, and that the gov is pretty evil these days. On the other hand, I don't believe every government conspiracy theory that's aired. I think there has to be allowances for crazy people outside of the gov to do things. Some one taking a gun and shooting up a school or whatever can happen, especially given the drugs put out by big pharma. Airing every event as a conspiracy does a disservice to those efforts to disclose events that credibly ARE conspiracies. For me, the credible conspiracies are those to which a reasonable pro-gov motive could be attached. So... show me first a motive for the Hood shootings. Without that, I'll lean toward the crazy guy/PO'd muzlim theory as the most likely one.
Agreed... I know all to well how badly the military can screw up a free lunch.
agreed. at this point in time, that's a reasonable response. the one aspect that's troublesome is the initial reports of hasan's death.
Well here's one of many possible motives, such as stirring up the rubes for more war and less freedom in the name of "safety and security"... Patriot Act Vote Scheduled for Nov. 5 Oddly enough it appears to have made it out of committee, but do you think with all of the people quivering in their shorts over the fear of "muzzies" under their beds, this has a real chance of passing?
Too many elements coming out that do not fit the cookie cutter template used to explain it away as "just another crazed Arab".
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
How is that a red herring? This took place on a military base. I doubt MSM was given immediate access. They were relying on heresy. And Hasan suffered significant injuries - it would be a reasonable assumption as he was carted away into a ambulence that he was done for, because if he wasn't already dead he was on death's door step and wouldn't pull through. Consider that he was in the ICU on a ventilator for several days.
Wow, they were going against the Pope? Freudian slip there, scrappy. 3-star generals don't make mistakes like Cone made: announcing the shooter dead and two others at large.
Well here's one of many possible motives, such as stirring up the rubes for more war and less freedom in the name of "safety and security"... Patriot Act Vote Scheduled for Nov. 5 Oddly enough it appears to have made it out of committee, but do you think with all of the people quivering in their shorts over the fear of "muzzies" under their beds, this has a real chance of passing? Is there Tea in China? Is the Pope Catholic? Like most of the big PsyOp events we've seen there appears to have been a big agenda set to roll through under cover of the distraction. The HELLTHCARE vote. Patriot Act Flagging support for endless wars for endless peace. Growing opposition to the attacks on individual liberty. "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Thing is, the reports of multiple shooters were repeated often during the initial events, and reports of SWAT being fired upon were also mentioned. Live coverage mentioned those things, yet I see nothing in print concerning them. The SWAT team having one of the shooters surrounded in one of the buildings on base is one other report that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere, yet it was reported on CNN and/or Fox as the events were unfolding.
Say what?
Okay - I get it - har, har. My spell check allows anything through that is spelled correctly. I meant to say hearsay, not her-es-y.
There's naturally going to be a lot of chaos on this kind of event. We all already know how rumors & gossip get twisted just inside local communities, so I think some confusion on facts is inevitable when something like this happens. And I think the guy was shot, was it 4 times? So I don't think the death report is very significant. What I do think is strange/hypocritical is the gov not treating this as "terrorism". It seems the rule in practice is, if they catch someone BEFORE they do it, it's terrorism. But if it's AFTER they do it, it's just an ordinary crime. I guess since 9-11, they want their pre-emptive, unconstitutional "anti-terror" activities to be batting 1.000.
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#2. To: bluegrass (#0)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#3. To: Itistoolate (#1)
#4. To: Esso (#2)
#5. To: bluegrass (#0)
#6. To: Disgusted (#5)
#7. To: bluegrass (#6)
#8. To: Disgusted (#7)
There isn't enough information at this time to make a judgement one way or the other.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#9. To: Disgusted (#7)
#10. To: bluegrass (#0)
#11. To: noone222 (#10)
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Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#12. To: bluegrass (#0)
#13. To: bluegrass (#0)
#14. To: Cynicom (#12)
#15. To: bluegrass (#14)
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#16. To: bluegrass (#14)
Why?
#17. To: Cynicom (#16)
The event did happen witnessed by hundreds.
#18. To: bluegrass (#17)
Why?
#19. To: bluegrass (#17)
#20. To: Cynicom (#18)
#21. To: christine (#19)
#22. To: bluegrass (#20)
Cyni, my friend, if you believe this then you just told me, in post #12, that you believe a pack of lies.
#23. To: bluegrass (#0)
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#25. To: bluegrass (#0)
Do you believe the 'official' story about Fort Hood?
#26. To: bluegrass (#0)
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#27. To: bluegrass (#0)
#28. To: Pinguinite (#27)
So... show me first a motive for the Hood shootings. Without that, I'll lean toward the crazy guy/PO'd muzlim theory as the most likely one.
#29. To: Pinguinite (#27)
#30. To: Pinguinite, bluegrass (#27)
So... show me first a motive for the Hood shootings.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: bluegrass (#0)
A question for Freedom4um: Do you believe the 'official' story about Fort Hood?
#32. To: Phant2000 (#25)
AND I don't know how anyone could believe anything we are hearing, given the reports we received that the shooter was alive after he had been reported dead!
#33. To: scrapper2 (#32)
They were relying on heresy.
her·e·sy
n. pl. her·e·sies
1.
a. An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs,
especially dissension from or denial of Roman Catholic dogma by a professed
believer or baptized church member.
b. Adherence to such dissenting opinion or doctrine.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: scrapper2 (#32)
They were relying on heresy.
#35. To: FormerLurker (#30)
So... show me first a motive for the Hood shootings.
"Gee Wally you don't think they'd kill a bunch of people just to advance their agenda do you?"
"Get real Beave. These people are sociopaths. Of course they would."
#36. To: scrapper2 (#32)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: Fred Mertz (#34)
Freudian slip there, scrappy.
#38. To: FormerLurker, Fred Mertz (#33)
#39. To: christine (#29)
the one aspect that's troublesome is the initial reports of hasan's death.
#40. To: scrapper2, Phant2000, Original_Intent, ALL (#32)
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Sgt. Major Jamie Posten reports there was more than one shooter.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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